Nobody said otherwise. I always said that a kid is smart to take the first decent offer he gets. If someone significantly better comes along then make darn sure they are seriously interested and take the better offer. The really elite programs are not going to back off just because you committed to another school so there is little downside to going ahead and securing that offer early so you don't get left holding the bag.

If you are a big time recruit with tons of offers then you can afford to take all your visits whether you have committed or not. If you are not one of those guys then you can take the visits but you better be a little more cautious.

Everyone better have a backup plan in recruiting, coaches and recruits.

(01-26-2015 12:59 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 11:55 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We don't allow our commitments to visit other schools.

And this is the most dumb/retarded thing ever. They are 17-18 year old kids and taking official visits is one of the perks of being a decent athlete.

PJ at Ga Tech does this as well. I can see both sides of the coin. If you are thinking about going to a school like that visit them last I guess.

(01-26-2015 03:04 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  If this kids get a call the night befit signing day, they can still flip without a visit. There why coaches build relationships with the players and their high school coaches, to know where you stand. A commitment is non-binding so they should all be taken that way until the paper is signed. How about the kid who commits only tiggah his offered pulled for a " better" player? Now he didn't scgeduke any visits and is SOL. It's taking out the fun part out of recruiting... Let them travel, the majority of them will see and do more in those couple weeks than their entire lives.

Yes, but if you don't allow kids to visit, the chances of them flipping to a big school last second are smaller. We kept commitments last year from players who got late offers from Louisville, Miami, and East Carolina, at least partially because they were not going to commit sight unseen.

There are a few every year, but that happens more at the FCS level than it does at the FBS level.

As for a kid having his offer pulled by the school? We make it very clear to our kids that we will not pull a kid's offer, regardless if a better player shows up. As long as they stay loyal to us, we stay loyal to them. We've got a couple kids who tore ACL's last year who we refused to drop, despite the fact that every other FBS school in the country immediately backed off.

(01-26-2015 03:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Yes, but if you don't allow kids to visit, the chances of them flipping to a big school last second are smaller. We kept commitments last year from players who got late offers from Louisville, Miami, and East Carolina, at least partially because they were not going to commit sight unseen.

There are a few every year, but that happens more at the FCS level than it does at the FBS level.

As for a kid having his offer pulled by the school? We make it very clear to our kids that we will not pull a kid's offer, regardless if a better player shows up. As long as they stay loyal to us, we stay loyal to them. We've got a couple kids who tore ACL's last year who we refused to drop, despite the fact that every other FBS school in the country immediately backed off.

I might have to have stAte as my western Sun Belt team.

(01-26-2015 10:55 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:53 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I remember some discussion of USA having the first 4 star commit in SB history, a local kid. Is he still committed? Didn't see him on 247, but maybe he is for 2016 or something. Just curious.

the rating sites probably dropped him to a 3 star after he committed. lol

That's exactly what happened, although I think the evaluator was trying to be objective. He dropped from a 91 to an 87 soon after he committed.

I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

(01-26-2015 03:32 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:55 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:53 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I remember some discussion of USA having the first 4 star commit in SB history, a local kid. Is he still committed? Didn't see him on 247, but maybe he is for 2016 or something. Just curious.

the rating sites probably dropped him to a 3 star after he committed. lol

That's exactly what happened, although I think the evaluator was trying to be objective. He dropped from a 91 to an 87 soon after he committed.

I don't really care how many stars he has. I have seen this kid play live, he is good. He makes offenses avoid him. He'll be challenged much more in college, but I think he will be a difference maker. He has already helped in recruiting some of his friends. I'm sure he is a guy the coaches want around when they bring in new prospects.

As far as GS recruiting other than some late official visits by a few of our commits to P5's and other decent programs making me extremely nervous we should end up top 3 in the Belt. We have the second highest average score per recruit behind ULL. So unless we pass their average rating there is no way we pass them as the one UAB kid is going to cost us some points.

I really want to see a full class to see where we stack up nationally against other full classes. Based off last year, if we can hold unto our current per recruit average we will be near the top of the G5 and might pass a handful of P5's. Currently we are already up six spots from last year with schollies in hand so we will see. Definitely another good year.

(01-26-2015 03:32 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:55 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:53 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I remember some discussion of USA having the first 4 star commit in SB history, a local kid. Is he still committed? Didn't see him on 247, but maybe he is for 2016 or something. Just curious.

the rating sites probably dropped him to a 3 star after he committed. lol

That's exactly what happened, although I think the evaluator was trying to be objective. He dropped from a 91 to an 87 soon after he committed.

It happens the other way as well. The composite score on 247 combines all the ranking services. Did they all drop him or was he just showing four star on one site?

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

(01-26-2015 12:32 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 12:21 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 11:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:53 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I remember some discussion of USA having the first 4 star commit in SB history, a local kid. Is he still committed? Didn't see him on 247, but maybe he is for 2016 or something. Just curious.

Troy had one in 2006 and one in 2007. The commit from South Alabama is not listed as a four star on any of the four major recruiting sites; rivals, scout, 247, and ESPN. The SBC has a lot of recruits just as good as the kid from South Alabama, in my opinion.

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...6/troy-222

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...7/troy-222

A 4 star who commits to a G5 school will get bumped down. A 3 star that commits to a big P5 will get bumped up to a 4 star. It's the way it goes. But that doesn't change the fact that he had offers from Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Nebraska, Miami, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State, California, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, Duke, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Washington, Memphis, WKU, Northern Illinois, Tulane, UAB, UCF, USM, and Louisiana Lafayette.

Great kid. There are a few in the SBC from ULL and Arkansas State that have offers as big and fancy as those. Not many but there are a few. So maybe not a lot like I suggested earlier.

The system is certainly flawed. I believe you can enter your own star rating if you manage your own 247 or rivals school site.

That is not true. All the major sites have a very small group of national scouts that grade the prospects. If site owners could control the ratings, USA, GaState and App State would be crushing the rest of the conference in the 247 recruiting rankings.

(01-26-2015 03:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:32 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:55 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:53 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I remember some discussion of USA having the first 4 star commit in SB history, a local kid. Is he still committed? Didn't see him on 247, but maybe he is for 2016 or something. Just curious.

the rating sites probably dropped him to a 3 star after he committed. lol

That's exactly what happened, although I think the evaluator was trying to be objective. He dropped from a 91 to an 87 soon after he committed.

It happens the other way as well. The composite score on 247 combines all the ranking services. Did they all drop him or was he just showing four star on one site?

The four point drop was on 247, JagsJungle.com's home network. He was rated a three-star by the other services and still is, but he may have been reevaluated but them and given a different point total that didn't change his star rating.

(01-26-2015 11:25 AM)TrojanNation Wrote:  TROY had a couple kids flip to South after Blakeney announced his retirement. If we could get them back (not holding to much hope at this point) I would be very happy. Also, waiting for NSD for one of the top RBs in the state to announce. He just got an offer from Colorado St - so as long he doesn't want to go of that far I think we have a pretty good shot at him.

You have a shot at one of them. Not a great shot, but a shot.

(01-26-2015 03:51 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 12:32 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 12:21 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 11:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:53 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I remember some discussion of USA having the first 4 star commit in SB history, a local kid. Is he still committed? Didn't see him on 247, but maybe he is for 2016 or something. Just curious.

Troy had one in 2006 and one in 2007. The commit from South Alabama is not listed as a four star on any of the four major recruiting sites; rivals, scout, 247, and ESPN. The SBC has a lot of recruits just as good as the kid from South Alabama, in my opinion.

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...6/troy-222

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...7/troy-222

A 4 star who commits to a G5 school will get bumped down. A 3 star that commits to a big P5 will get bumped up to a 4 star. It's the way it goes. But that doesn't change the fact that he had offers from Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Nebraska, Miami, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State, California, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, Duke, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Washington, Memphis, WKU, Northern Illinois, Tulane, UAB, UCF, USM, and Louisiana Lafayette.

Great kid. There are a few in the SBC from ULL and Arkansas State that have offers as big and fancy as those. Not many but there are a few. So maybe not a lot like I suggested earlier.

The system is certainly flawed. I believe you can enter your own star rating if you manage your own 247 or rivals school site.

That is not true. All the major sites have a very small group of national scouts that grade the prospects. If site owners could control the ratings, USA, GaState and App State would be crushing the rest of the conference in the 247 recruiting rankings.

I was curious because we have two guys (brothers) who both earned an 83 (pretty high) as soon as they committed to Troy. This was recent and they previously had no rating at all. One of them, Damone Kemp, doesn't even have a rivals, scout, or ESPN profile. How can a guy be a 3-Star one one site and not even have profiles on the others? The other brother has a rivals profile but is not rated at all. Seems odd to all the sudden two 83s.

(01-26-2015 03:56 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:32 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:55 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:53 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I remember some discussion of USA having the first 4 star commit in SB history, a local kid. Is he still committed? Didn't see him on 247, but maybe he is for 2016 or something. Just curious.

the rating sites probably dropped him to a 3 star after he committed. lol

That's exactly what happened, although I think the evaluator was trying to be objective. He dropped from a 91 to an 87 soon after he committed.

It happens the other way as well. The composite score on 247 combines all the ranking services. Did they all drop him or was he just showing four star on one site?

The four point drop was on 247, JagsJungle.com's home network. He was rated a three-star by the other services and still is, but he may have been reevaluated but them and given a different point total that didn't change his star rating.

The updates on 247 can lag awhile. I believe you have to be 90 or above to be four star either way good get.

(01-26-2015 04:03 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:51 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 12:32 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 12:21 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 11:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Troy had one in 2006 and one in 2007. The commit from South Alabama is not listed as a four star on any of the four major recruiting sites; rivals, scout, 247, and ESPN. The SBC has a lot of recruits just as good as the kid from South Alabama, in my opinion.

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...6/troy-222

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...7/troy-222

A 4 star who commits to a G5 school will get bumped down. A 3 star that commits to a big P5 will get bumped up to a 4 star. It's the way it goes. But that doesn't change the fact that he had offers from Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Nebraska, Miami, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State, California, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, Duke, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Washington, Memphis, WKU, Northern Illinois, Tulane, UAB, UCF, USM, and Louisiana Lafayette.

Great kid. There are a few in the SBC from ULL and Arkansas State that have offers as big and fancy as those. Not many but there are a few. So maybe not a lot like I suggested earlier.

The system is certainly flawed. I believe you can enter your own star rating if you manage your own 247 or rivals school site.

That is not true. All the major sites have a very small group of national scouts that grade the prospects. If site owners could control the ratings, USA, GaState and App State would be crushing the rest of the conference in the 247 recruiting rankings.

I was curious because we have two guys (brothers) who both earned an 83 (pretty high) as soon as they committed to Troy. This was recent and they previously had no rating at all. One of them, Damone Kemp, doesn't even have a rivals, scout, or ESPN profile. How can a guy be a 3-Star one one site and not even have profiles on the others? The other brother has a rivals profile but is not rated at all. Seems odd to all the sudden two 83s.

Because you have thousands of recruits and an not that many people creating profiles and rating them. I imagine the top kids get rated early on and then it just takes awhile to get to the rest. I bet the focus right now is unrated kids that have committed.

On 247 the state of GA has 569 high school profiles alone and I think I read where they only have 50 guys that rate kids. Four star and below kids probably get rated when ever they can get around to it.

(01-26-2015 03:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

That's a fantastic question

(01-26-2015 04:14 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

That's a fantastic question

They sure as hell shouldn't, as those kids did not want to play for state since they committed to a different school...according to the logic in this thread.

(01-26-2015 04:14 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

That's a fantastic question

For reference PJ at Ga Tech does and catches heat for it because he will also pull a scholly from a committed kid.

His explanation is if a kid is still out visiting they do not consider him committed at all whether it be for them or the other school. It was a big blow up interview on sports talk radio in the ATL as he and the sports talk radio goob got into it over this philosophy.

I dont know, I don't think it is wrong and right issue. I think it is this is that coaches philosophy and he is willing to deal with the consequences. I think you get kids that really want to be there but also lose out on some kids that just wants a free trip,wants to see what is out there and or gets turned off by this approach.