(12-19-2014 08:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And yet here we have all of our fans fighting for our schools to become another dwarf kowtowing to UT to collect extra cash.

USF did something very similar when they left CUSA to be a dwarf in the Big East (Football and especially Basketball), all to collect more $$$.

A move to the Big 12 by others would be somewhat similar...but worth 5-8 times what USF got from their Big East membership.

It might be blessing in disguise that West Virginia got added to the Big 12 and not a school out west

(12-19-2014 08:26 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 08:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And yet here we have all of our fans fighting for our schools to become another dwarf kowtowing to UT to collect extra cash.

USF did something very similar when they left CUSA to be a dwarf in the Big East (Football and especially Basketball), all to collect more $$$.

A move to the Big 12 by others would be somewhat similar...but worth 5-8 times what USF got from their Big East membership.

I was commenting to your fans comment of the Big12 being UT the midsize dwarf and the smaller dwarfs. I don't think the Big East that USF joined had a UT in it. The league was full of dwarfs which was the problem and why it collapsed

(12-17-2014 09:17 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Heres why the article is wrong. They list four reasons and they are all bunk...

1. They list UCF revenue at $41 million and say it isnt worthy... WVUs revenue was similar before addition to the Big 12. Add $20 million in revenue from a Big 12 tv contract and UCF is at $61 million.... and who cares where the revenue comes from as long as its sustainable, which UCFs is since I dont see their student attendance dropping.

2. TV Ratings... Of Course UCF doesnt currently have the draw that other Big 12 teams have. They havent had the platform to build a national fanbase and no team will have that until given a chance. You cant tell me the nation was sitting on edge waiting for TCU to come on tv.

3. Not selling out the Bowl... Um, Last I checked the Big 12 doesnt have crappy bowls that nobody cares about. Given a better product, then I see them selling more tickets.

4. Non football sports... Hate to tell the writer of this articel but MANY of the Big 12 schools dont have much in the way of attendance in their olympic sports... anyone watch ISU sports????

5. Texas and Oklahoma are not afraid to go head to head with UCF for Florida recruits. this was by far the dumbest point in the article. UCF lives off the players that the Big 3 dont want... Texas and OK arent fighting for the same kids.

6. The Big 12 doenst need a #19 market... YET. Their current income model doenst need the market but many agree that wont stay forever.

So, overall this article is crap and full of points that make little to no sense... Most of the points would apply to at least a third of all the teams already in the P5.

Your right on some points but what the P5 schools have in common is tradition. The tradition of being schools for centuries and the tradition of having football forever too...USF and UCF are just too brand new to join the old timers at the country club. I'd be shocked if they ever did.

(12-19-2014 03:24 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:18 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I never said ours was spectacular, and specifically did not because I know ours was down this year (I personally blame schedule).

My point of contention was the previous Houston poster saying that "Houston offers passionate fan support that ucf, usf, Memphis, and Cincinnati cannot match" which is absolutely wrong. Bringing up attendance was a way of illustrating that.

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Fair enough but I would have to agree with him. Because of the distance and the nomadic nature of CFB since our departure from the SWC we have not developed the kind of rivalries we did in the SWC.

That was the point he was making. Its not that all or at least most... of the schools mentioned are bad. Its just that they don't move the needle for our fanbase like school in Texas that we do have a lengthy history with do.

Yes, there is SMU and of all the AAC I'd say that is the closest we have to a "true" rival. There was also Rice in CUSA. The thing with those two schools is we have dominated both of them and there has not been a series of close and competitive games that fuel a fanbase to a rabid level.

I think in time if we stay in the same conference as UCF that has a chance to develop into a nice one. While you have clearly maintained the edge in the W/L column each and every game has been close and competitive and meant something to one or both teams.

To sum up that was the point that was being made.

Hmmm, we are in SEC country and most of the schools don't excite us either. We don't have true rival either since Louisville left. Cincy has the most potential. We have played Tulane forever but it's a respectful rival.

(12-19-2014 08:33 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  It might be blessing in disguise that West Virginia got added to the Big 12 and not a school out west

Agreed

Man, one co-conference title and the Memphis fans get all sorts of uppity.

(12-20-2014 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Man, one co-conference title and the Memphis fans get all sorts of uppity.

I don't think so. We just feel good about our current administration.

(12-19-2014 03:24 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:18 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I never said ours was spectacular, and specifically did not because I know ours was down this year (I personally blame schedule).

My point of contention was the previous Houston poster saying that "Houston offers passionate fan support that ucf, usf, Memphis, and Cincinnati cannot match" which is absolutely wrong. Bringing up attendance was a way of illustrating that.

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Fair enough but I would have to agree with him. Because of the distance and the nomadic nature of CFB since our departure from the SWC we have not developed the kind of rivalries we did in the SWC.

That was the point he was making. Its not that all or at least most... of the schools mentioned are bad. Its just that they don't move the needle for our fanbase like school in Texas that we do have a lengthy history with do.

Yes, there is SMU and of all the AAC I'd say that is the closest we have to a "true" rival. There was also Rice in CUSA. The thing with those two schools is we have dominated both of them and there has not been a series of close and competitive games that fuel a fanbase to a rabid level.

I think in time if we stay in the same conference as UCF that has a chance to develop into a nice one. While you have clearly maintained the edge in the W/L column each and every game has been close and competitive and meant something to one or both teams.

To sum up that was the point that was being made.

I didn't think that the bolded and underlined sections of your post was the point (quoted below) that he was making. If bringing passion to the Houston fan base was what he was attempting to say; I 100% agree that there's no way that anyone in the AAC would unlock that passion of Cougar fans VS playing closer TX programs that Houstonians can better relate to that have successful histories and years of power football.

That just didn't seem to be his point, particularly with the bolded section below. I will respectfully acknowledge that there is the possibility of a misunderstanding around the wording.

Quote:Memphis, UCF, Cincy just can't promise to bring this type of passion to the B12

(12-20-2014 10:47 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Man, one co-conference title and the Memphis fans get all sorts of uppity.

I don't think so. We just feel good about our current administration.

You guys should, it's been a long road for your football program.

UofM owns the city of Memphis and surrounding areas. We are known as a passionate bat chit crazy fan base.

(12-20-2014 11:47 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  UofM owns the city of Memphis and surrounding areas. We are known as a passionate bat chit crazy fan base.

Part of that statement is true....

(12-17-2014 10:41 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I use to think UCF was a prime expansion candidate but that talk seems to have died down. What happen? I thought the Big 12 was looking to get into the Florida market. They don't look interested any more.

They're plenty interested. UCF simply doesn't conduct business in public like Cincy and Memphis. We didn't do it around the Big East expansion either, unlike every other prospective member.

Really? What about the Orlando TV reporter who reported that UCF was about to be invited to the Big East in the summer of 2010? I doubt he made that up out of thin air. I didn't save the link, but I clearly recall it. He was widely ridiculed. And Memphis officials were having those same talks, and thought UCF and Memphis were going in then.

Not to mention, Memphis officials knew UCF was headed to the Big East for weeks before it actually happened in late 2011. Nothing this big is ever kept completely in house.

(12-20-2014 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:41 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I use to think UCF was a prime expansion candidate but that talk seems to have died down. What happen? I thought the Big 12 was looking to get into the Florida market. They don't look interested any more.

They're plenty interested. UCF simply doesn't conduct business in public like Cincy and Memphis. We didn't do it around the Big East expansion either, unlike every other prospective member.

Really? What about the Orlando TV reporter who reported that UCF was about to be invited to the Big East in the summer of 2010? I doubt he made that up out of thin air. I didn't save the link, but I clearly recall it. He was widely ridiculed. And Memphis officials were having those same talks, and thought UCF and Memphis were going in then.

Not to mention, Memphis officials knew UCF was headed to the Big East for weeks before it actually happened in late 2011. Nothing this big is ever kept completely in house.

There were plenty of speculation pieces during the BE expansion. UCF wasn't the source. To be fair, I don't think Memphis or Cincy is talking outside of class either. Media types make a living by dealing in conjecture. Doesn't mean the schools are the source. Our troll is likely Mike Bianchi, who could hardly be called a UCF fan. Gator troll all the way.

(12-16-2014 08:58 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 08:51 PM)Bear Wrote:  It's not going to happen any time soon. The article references UCF (due to the Bulls recent performance their reference is relegated)

http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/four-re...he-big-12/


Cincinnati and UCONN have the best chance; just from sheer value. The rest of the AAC will be here for awhile.


(sorry if this has been posted already)

Oh thank god! I was really worried after Rutgers and Maryland were swooped up by the Big 10 with hardly a whisper beforehand.

Hardly a whisper? It was widely known and speculated beforehand with Maryland...Rutgers, maybe

(12-20-2014 12:24 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:41 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I use to think UCF was a prime expansion candidate but that talk seems to have died down. What happen? I thought the Big 12 was looking to get into the Florida market. They don't look interested any more.

They're plenty interested. UCF simply doesn't conduct business in public like Cincy and Memphis. We didn't do it around the Big East expansion either, unlike every other prospective member.

Really? What about the Orlando TV reporter who reported that UCF was about to be invited to the Big East in the summer of 2010? I doubt he made that up out of thin air. I didn't save the link, but I clearly recall it. He was widely ridiculed. And Memphis officials were having those same talks, and thought UCF and Memphis were going in then.

Not to mention, Memphis officials knew UCF was headed to the Big East for weeks before it actually happened in late 2011. Nothing this big is ever kept completely in house.

There were plenty of speculation pieces during the BE expansion. UCF wasn't the source. To be fair, I don't think Memphis or Cincy is talking outside of class either. Media types make a living by dealing in conjecture. Doesn't mean the schools are the source. Our troll is likely Mike Bianchi, who could hardly be called a UCF fan. Gator troll all the way.

Yep. And when Memphis actually made it to the Big East in February of 2012, word didn't make the media until the night before the announcement.

(12-20-2014 12:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:24 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:41 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I use to think UCF was a prime expansion candidate but that talk seems to have died down. What happen? I thought the Big 12 was looking to get into the Florida market. They don't look interested any more.

They're plenty interested. UCF simply doesn't conduct business in public like Cincy and Memphis. We didn't do it around the Big East expansion either, unlike every other prospective member.

Really? What about the Orlando TV reporter who reported that UCF was about to be invited to the Big East in the summer of 2010? I doubt he made that up out of thin air. I didn't save the link, but I clearly recall it. He was widely ridiculed. And Memphis officials were having those same talks, and thought UCF and Memphis were going in then.

Not to mention, Memphis officials knew UCF was headed to the Big East for weeks before it actually happened in late 2011. Nothing this big is ever kept completely in house.

There were plenty of speculation pieces during the BE expansion. UCF wasn't the source. To be fair, I don't think Memphis or Cincy is talking outside of class either. Media types make a living by dealing in conjecture. Doesn't mean the schools are the source. Our troll is likely Mike Bianchi, who could hardly be called a UCF fan. Gator troll all the way.

Yep. And when Memphis actually made it to the Big East in February of 2012, word didn't make the media until the night before the announcement.

Memphis & UCF were always next in line for the Big East (Memphis should have been before USF). The problem was the upsetting the delicate 8-8 BE balance.

(12-20-2014 12:27 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 08:58 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 08:51 PM)Bear Wrote:  It's not going to happen any time soon. The article references UCF (due to the Bulls recent performance their reference is relegated)

http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/four-re...he-big-12/


Cincinnati and UCONN have the best chance; just from sheer value. The rest of the AAC will be here for awhile.


(sorry if this has been posted already)

Oh thank god! I was really worried after Rutgers and Maryland were swooped up by the Big 10 with hardly a whisper beforehand.

Hardly a whisper? It was widely known and speculated beforehand with Maryland...Rutgers, maybe

Rutgers had been talking to the B1G since Penn State got in. That was no secret.

(12-20-2014 01:15 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:24 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:41 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  They're plenty interested. UCF simply doesn't conduct business in public like Cincy and Memphis. We didn't do it around the Big East expansion either, unlike every other prospective member.

Really? What about the Orlando TV reporter who reported that UCF was about to be invited to the Big East in the summer of 2010? I doubt he made that up out of thin air. I didn't save the link, but I clearly recall it. He was widely ridiculed. And Memphis officials were having those same talks, and thought UCF and Memphis were going in then.

Not to mention, Memphis officials knew UCF was headed to the Big East for weeks before it actually happened in late 2011. Nothing this big is ever kept completely in house.

There were plenty of speculation pieces during the BE expansion. UCF wasn't the source. To be fair, I don't think Memphis or Cincy is talking outside of class either. Media types make a living by dealing in conjecture. Doesn't mean the schools are the source. Our troll is likely Mike Bianchi, who could hardly be called a UCF fan. Gator troll all the way.

Yep. And when Memphis actually made it to the Big East in February of 2012, word didn't make the media until the night before the announcement.

Memphis & UCF were always next in line for the Big East (Memphis should have been before USF). The problem was the upsetting the delicate 8-8 BE balance.

No, no they werent. Not at all. BYU was courted before anybody and there was considerable talk and analysis in Nova. Then there was a delay before adding any teams because we had the opportunity to add the Big 12 leftovers if it went down... it was that delay that screwed us.

UCF and Memphis were added after several teams were discussed.... and UCF is RENOWNED for using the media. You really need to look back on the history of how UCF acted during expansion in the early 2000s. It was part of the reason that USF got in over them.

(12-20-2014 01:15 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:24 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:41 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  They're plenty interested. UCF simply doesn't conduct business in public like Cincy and Memphis. We didn't do it around the Big East expansion either, unlike every other prospective member.

Really? What about the Orlando TV reporter who reported that UCF was about to be invited to the Big East in the summer of 2010? I doubt he made that up out of thin air. I didn't save the link, but I clearly recall it. He was widely ridiculed. And Memphis officials were having those same talks, and thought UCF and Memphis were going in then.

Not to mention, Memphis officials knew UCF was headed to the Big East for weeks before it actually happened in late 2011. Nothing this big is ever kept completely in house.

There were plenty of speculation pieces during the BE expansion. UCF wasn't the source. To be fair, I don't think Memphis or Cincy is talking outside of class either. Media types make a living by dealing in conjecture. Doesn't mean the schools are the source. Our troll is likely Mike Bianchi, who could hardly be called a UCF fan. Gator troll all the way.

Yep. And when Memphis actually made it to the Big East in February of 2012, word didn't make the media until the night before the announcement.

Memphis & UCF were always next in line for the Big East (Memphis should have been before USF). The problem was the upsetting the delicate 8-8 BE balance.

Could have been, but my understanding is that a football school or 3 flipped at the last minute.