(10-13-2014 02:38 PM)Digi368 Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 01:08 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 12:42 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Went and gathered this info todaym i was curious so i figure some of you would be as well. Some surpruses here too. Rankinga for cusa and national in parentheses.

Total Defense:
1. FIU (16) 291
2. Marshall (30 323 ypg)
3. UNT (33 329 ypg)
4. ODU* (375ypg)
5. LA tech (56 376)
6.UTSA (61 379)
7. UAB (63 380)
8. MTU (96 432)
9. Utep (105 468)
10. USM (112 496)
11. WKU (115 508)
12. Rice (118 526)
13. FAU (124 589)

Scoring Defense
1. Marshall (19 16ppg)
2. FIU (37 19.7)
3. UAB (56 23.7)
4. UTSA (67 25.3)
5. ODU* (69 25.7)
6. UTEP (70 26)
7. UNT (85 25.7)
8. MTU (89 29.7)
8. La Tech (89 29.7)
10. FAU (112 39)
11. USM (116 40.3)
12. Rice (120 43)

Total Offense
1. Marshall (2 620 ypg)
2. WKU (3 608)
3. UAB (30 507)
4. MTU (34 501)
5. ODU* (43 480)
6. UTEP (62 433)
7. Rice (68 424)
8. La Tech (87 378)
9. USM (108 320)
10. FAU (116 287)
11. FIU (117 285)
12. UTSA (118 272)
13. UNT (123 242)

Scoring Offense
1. WKU (13 46.7)
2. MTU (14 45)
3. Marshall (15 44.7)
4. UAB (29 41)
5. La Teh (51 35)
6. UTEP (59 33)
7. ODU* (66 30.7)
8. FIU (92 23.7)
8. UNT (92t 23.7)
9. UTSA (100 21)
10. FAU (110 19)
11. Rice (119 13.7
12. USM (121 12)[/i]

SCORING OFFENSE Avg/G
1. Marshall 47.8
2. WKU 43.0
3. UAB 40.2
4. Middle Tennessee 36.3
5. Louisiana Tech 34.2
6. North Texas 32.2
7. Old Dominion 30.6
8. Rice 29.8
9. UTEP 28.7
10. FIU 22.7
11. Florida Atlantic 21.2
12. UTSA 20.8
13. USM 18.8

SCORING DEFENSE Avg/G
1. Marshall 17.2
2. FIU 19.9
3. UTSA 25.2
4. UAB 6 27.5
5. Louisiana tech 27.8
6. Rice 6 31.5
7. North Texas 32.3
8. Middle Tennessee 33.3
9. Florida Atlantic 35.3
10. USM 36.5
11. Old Dominion 36.9
12. UTEP 37.7
13. WKU 38.4

TOTAL OFFENSE G Avg/G
1. Marshall 594.5
2. WKU 574.8
3. UAB 490.0
4. Middle Tennessee 474.6
5. Rice 425.2
6. Old Dominion 416.6
7. Louisiana Tech 385.5
8. Utep 378.3
9. USM 358.3
10. North Texas 341.8
11. Florida Atlantic 325.2
12. UTSA 314.8
13. FIU 280.3

TOTAL DEFENSE G Avg/G
1. FIU 327.1
2. Marshall 328.2
3. Louisiana Tech 355.7
4. UTSA 362.8
5. North Texas 378.7
6. UAB 398.5
7. Rice 6 418.0
8. UTEP 442.8
9. Old Dominion 466.9
10. Middle Tennessee 472.4
11. Florida Atlantic 476.3
12. USM 487.2
13. WKU 516.8


Updated. Left out national rankings this edition for now, running short on time.

Do note that UTSA did nearly stay the same in 3 of 4 categories here. You guys gave me a lot of flak for posting this and saying it is a great indicator, this goes to show that what i said is true. I do not post things simply to stir crap up.

But these rankings still include the OOC schedules which were all over the place for CUSA teams. It would be a more accurate picture if you only took the stats when CUSA played each other or other G5 schools. It's not just UTSA. Our conference mates have played teams like Alabama, Texas A&M etc.

Look at the first rankings, just OOC and look at the new ones. They fall in line. UTSAs fall almost exactly in line. That was my original point. That the stats indicate a teams strengths and weaknesses, and that will hold true no matter how you slice it. For giggles, i will see if i can break it out for just cusa games later tonight in downtime

Can't believe you are still arguing this. smh

Throw out OOC games and Tech has the best D. Our O is big play or bust. I am hoping for a shut out this weekend.

(10-13-2014 06:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Can't believe you are still arguing this. smh

You can't argue with math, you will lose. I updated it on week 6, like i promised. I that utsa would be in the same area statistically and it wasnt just SOS that made your offense bad, to which your fans attacked me, etc. And cant admit they were wrong. ...smh

(10-13-2014 08:16 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Throw out OOC games and Tech has the best D. Our O is big play or bust. I am hoping for a shut out this weekend.

You are playing the #12 offense in CUSA. If they score more than 10, you can't say you have the best defense, no matter how you try to justify it.

(10-13-2014 09:11 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 06:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Can't believe you are still arguing this. smh

You can't argue with math, you will lose. I updated it on week 6, like i promised. I that utsa would be in the same area statistically and it wasnt just SOS that made your offense bad, to which your fans attacked me, etc. And cant admit they were wrong. ...smh

UTSA is on it's third starting QB.

Why don't you show some calculations for how La Tech did vs teams like Auburn/Oklahoma and against CUSA. I'm sure your findings will show that SOS doesn't mean anything.

(10-13-2014 11:21 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 09:11 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 06:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Can't believe you are still arguing this. smh

You can't argue with math, you will lose. I updated it on week 6, like i promised. I that utsa would be in the same area statistically and it wasnt just SOS that made your offense bad, to which your fans attacked me, etc. And cant admit they were wrong. ...smh

UTSA is on it's third starting QB.

Why don't you show some calculations for how La Tech did vs teams like Auburn/Oklahoma and against CUSA. I'm sure your findings will show that SOS doesn't mean anything.

You are trying to reach and find a statistical outlier, i get it. That is an extreme example. But just to show you

Total Defense OOC - 376 Now - 355 +21yards
Scoring Defense OOC - 29.7 now - 27.8 +1.9pts
Total Offense OOC- 378 - now - 385 +7 yards
Scoring Offense ooc- 35 - now 34.2 -0.8pts

So, there have been some marginal movements, but it is pretty damn flat, especially considering the 55-3 utep game. But thats why it all evens out. Numbers don't lie. People do.

(10-13-2014 11:45 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:21 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 09:11 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 06:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Can't believe you are still arguing this. smh

You can't argue with math, you will lose. I updated it on week 6, like i promised. I that utsa would be in the same area statistically and it wasnt just SOS that made your offense bad, to which your fans attacked me, etc. And cant admit they were wrong. ...smh

UTSA is on it's third starting QB.

Why don't you show some calculations for how La Tech did vs teams like Auburn/Oklahoma and against CUSA. I'm sure your findings will show that SOS doesn't mean anything.

You are trying to reach and find a statistical outlier, i get it. That is an extreme example. But just to show you

Total Defense OOC - 376 Now - 355 +21yards
Scoring Defense OOC - 29.7 now - 27.8 +1.9pts
Total Offense OOC- 378 - now - 385 +7 yards
Scoring Offense ooc- 35 - now 34.2 -0.8pts

So, there have been some marginal movements, but it is pretty damn flat, especially considering the 55-3 utep game. But thats why it all evens out. Numbers don't lie. People do.

That's all kind of truth, and that's gonna sting a little for the non-believers. Amen. The funny thing is the Rice guys are all just nodding along. They could have said this a while ago if they could speak Layman.

PS if these numbers showed Marshall to be ranked 13th in every category he would still have posted it. You guys are looking for bias where there is none. It's just numbers. He leaves that to you to interpret as you will.

(10-13-2014 11:45 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 11:21 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 09:11 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 06:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Can't believe you are still arguing this. smh

You can't argue with math, you will lose. I updated it on week 6, like i promised. I that utsa would be in the same area statistically and it wasnt just SOS that made your offense bad, to which your fans attacked me, etc. And cant admit they were wrong. ...smh

UTSA is on it's third starting QB.

Why don't you show some calculations for how La Tech did vs teams like Auburn/Oklahoma and against CUSA. I'm sure your findings will show that SOS doesn't mean anything.

You are trying to reach and find a statistical outlier, i get it. That is an extreme example. But just to show you

Total Defense OOC - 376 Now - 355 +21yards
Scoring Defense OOC - 29.7 now - 27.8 +1.9pts
Total Offense OOC- 378 - now - 385 +7 yards
Scoring Offense ooc- 35 - now 34.2 -0.8pts

So, there have been some marginal movements, but it is pretty damn flat, especially considering the 55-3 utep game. But thats why it all evens out. Numbers don't lie. People do.

LOL. I specifically said Oklahoma and Auburn. It makes no sense to include a bad ULL team and an FCS team since they are on par/worse than CUSA competition. The argument at the beginning was that it wasn't fair to teams that had to play tough P5 competition, and that your stats were useless bc of it. Here I'll do three West teams for you since you can't seem to grasp it:



La Tech
Oklahoma and Auburn (0-2)
Offense-16.5 ppg
Defense-46.5 ppg allowed

G5 competition+1 FCS (3-1)
Offense-43 ppg
Defense-18.5 ppg allowed



UTSA
Ok State and Arizona(0-2)
Offense-18 ppg
Defense-34.5 ppg allowed

G5 competition (2-2)
Offense-22.3 ppg
Defense-20.5 ppg allowed



Rice
Notre Dame and Texas A&M (0-2)
Offense-13.5 ppg
Defense-43 ppg allowed

G5 competition (3-1)
Offense-38 ppg
Defense-25.8 ppg allowed

I'm sure you'd see a similar pattern for the the rest of the teams that had P5 games as well.

But yall go ahead and keep thinking Marshall would maintain it's stats. There's practically no difference between Rhode Island and Notre Dame/Oklahoma, right?

(10-13-2014 09:12 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 08:16 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Throw out OOC games and Tech has the best D. Our O is big play or bust. I am hoping for a shut out this weekend.

You are playing the #12 offense in CUSA. If they score more than 10, you can't say you have the best defense, no matter how you try to justify it.

Hold up...

So La Tech's accomplishments can get dismissed due to competition (poor UTSA offense) but at the same time you can crown Marshall for the stats it's put up against mostly bad competition? Explain to me how that isn't ridiculously biased, please.

(09-17-2014 11:33 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:47 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:29 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:22 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 02:33 PM)Digi368 Wrote:  The disparity of OOC opponents is staggering. We really can't look into these numbers until we get deep into conference play

3 games is enough to get a picture of where you are. Arizona and OSU are good teams but your offense has been anept in all games and this is representative of that. Also, most teams have played good competition, ohio held UK to 20 for example, which is what they scored on florida as well. Ohio has a veteran laden defense that we scorched. Another thing is, when those weaker opponents are played, most times the offense either shuts down and becomes conservative or subs completely by the 4th quarter and it all works out. These numbers don't lie. I think most on this board would agree that wherever their team is ranked low is the problem.

Miami (oh), URI, Ohio =/= Houston, Arizona, OSU

Doesn't work man

59-28.

And ohio held uk to 20.... we could have scored 70. It does work. It works every year. Oregon, bama etc all have had cupcakes. On a national scale it all works out. Utsa has seriously had problems on offense. Thats no secret. They are plain bad.

Hilarious though. Watching the absolute denial when faced with blatant numbers.

It's funny that you think UK is good, this isn't basketball, UK. Sucks in football.

At least Kentucky was able to beat South Carolina.

(10-14-2014 07:14 AM)correcamino Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 09:12 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-13-2014 08:16 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Throw out OOC games and Tech has the best D. Our O is big play or bust. I am hoping for a shut out this weekend.

You are playing the #12 offense in CUSA. If they score more than 10, you can't say you have the best defense, no matter how you try to justify it.

Hold up...

So La Tech's accomplishments can get dismissed due to competition (poor UTSA offense) but at the same time you can crown Marshall for the stats it's put up against mostly bad competition? Explain to me how that isn't ridiculously biased, please.

Mostly bad? Akron, MTSU, ODU are all good teams. much stronger offenses than utsa. And to say they should beat you like a drum is not biased or dismissing anything. Its a fact. Your offense is bad, theres is self proclaimed as the best... you shouldn't score 10. That simple. And you probably won't.

I like UTSA, but the offensive issues are not being overcome.... and next year? You lose everyone... its gonna br a tough stretch for a couple years before you compete.

(10-14-2014 07:09 AM)correcamino Wrote:  I'm sure you'd see a similar pattern for the the rest of the teams that had P5 games as well.

But yall go ahead and keep thinking Marshall would maintain it's stats. There's practically no difference between Rhode Island and Notre Dame/Oklahoma, right?

You guys are hilarious. Akron is the #17 defense and would be top 10 if we didnt play them! It all evens out with stats, you cant pick and choose. Thats why 3 games in is enough to identify a teams strengths and weaknesses. 6 games solidifies it. Everyone plays good and bad competition. I wished we could play everyone in the top 10 but we can't. I am 100% confident that we could play OU or Notre Dame and perform very well and win those games.

(10-14-2014 10:06 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 11:33 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:47 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:29 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:22 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  3 games is enough to get a picture of where you are. Arizona and OSU are good teams but your offense has been anept in all games and this is representative of that. Also, most teams have played good competition, ohio held UK to 20 for example, which is what they scored on florida as well. Ohio has a veteran laden defense that we scorched. Another thing is, when those weaker opponents are played, most times the offense either shuts down and becomes conservative or subs completely by the 4th quarter and it all works out. These numbers don't lie. I think most on this board would agree that wherever their team is ranked low is the problem.

Miami (oh), URI, Ohio =/= Houston, Arizona, OSU

Doesn't work man

59-28.

And ohio held uk to 20.... we could have scored 70. It does work. It works every year. Oregon, bama etc all have had cupcakes. On a national scale it all works out. Utsa has seriously had problems on offense. Thats no secret. They are plain bad.

Hilarious though. Watching the absolute denial when faced with blatant numbers.

It's funny that you think UK is good, this isn't basketball, UK. Sucks in football.

At least Kentucky was able to beat South Carolina.

Yeah, don't forget, 5-1 UK (with only a OT loss to florida) SUCKS because they are traditionally bad........ these are the same people arguing that stats aren't fair and numbers lie.

OK, first of all, Kentucky isn't bad at football. They've just not been as good as USC or UGA. Compared to them they suck. But this year's different, and that's what should count. This year.

(10-14-2014 07:01 AM)correcamino Wrote:  LOL. I specifically said Oklahoma and Auburn. It makes no sense to include a bad ULL team and an FCS team since they are on par/worse than CUSA competition. The argument at the beginning was that it wasn't fair to teams that had to play tough P5 competition, and that your stats were useless bc of it. Here I'll do three West teams for you since you can't seem to grasp it:



La Tech
Oklahoma and Auburn (0-2)
Offense-16.5 ppg
Defense-46.5 ppg allowed

G5 competition+1 FCS (3-1)
Offense-43 ppg
Defense-18.5 ppg allowed



UTSA
Ok State and Arizona(0-2)
Offense-18 ppg
Defense-34.5 ppg allowed

G5 competition (2-2)
Offense-22.3 ppg
Defense-20.5 ppg allowed



Rice
Notre Dame and Texas A&M (0-2)
Offense-13.5 ppg
Defense-43 ppg allowed

G5 competition (3-1)
Offense-38 ppg
Defense-25.8 ppg allowed

I like how you completely ignore this^ post...

(10-14-2014 07:28 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 07:09 AM)correcamino Wrote:  I'm sure you'd see a similar pattern for the the rest of the teams that had P5 games as well.

But yall go ahead and keep thinking Marshall would maintain it's stats. There's practically no difference between Rhode Island and Notre Dame/Oklahoma, right?

You guys are hilarious. Akron is the #17 defense and would be top 10 if we didnt play them! It all evens out with stats, you cant pick and choose. Thats why 3 games in is enough to identify a teams strengths and weaknesses. 6 games solidifies it. Everyone plays good and bad competition. I wished we could play everyone in the top 10 but we can't. I am 100% confident that we could play OU or Notre Dame and perform very well and win those games.

Are you dumb or just a huge homer?

Why do you think Akron struggled against Marshall? Could it be bc Marshall is a Top 25 team? Hmm so SOS does matter--give Akron a weak schedule and they perform like a Top 20 defense, pit them up against a legit team and their stats drop off. Who would've guessed.

ULL looks decent tonight on offense...

(10-14-2014 09:15 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 07:28 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 07:09 AM)correcamino Wrote:  I'm sure you'd see a similar pattern for the the rest of the teams that had P5 games as well.

But yall go ahead and keep thinking Marshall would maintain it's stats. There's practically no difference between Rhode Island and Notre Dame/Oklahoma, right?

You guys are hilarious. Akron is the #17 defense and would be top 10 if we didnt play them! It all evens out with stats, you cant pick and choose. Thats why 3 games in is enough to identify a teams strengths and weaknesses. 6 games solidifies it. Everyone plays good and bad competition. I wished we could play everyone in the top 10 but we can't. I am 100% confident that we could play OU or Notre Dame and perform very well and win those games.

Are you dumb or just a huge homer?

Why do you think Akron struggled against Marshall? Could it be bc Marshall is a Top 25 team? Hmm so SOS does matter--give Akron a weak schedule and they perform like a Top 20 defense, pit them up against a legit team and their stats drop off. Who would've guessed.

Akron played at Penn State and at Pitt. Two of the almighty P5 schools. Akron beat Pitt by 2 TD. Akron gave up 21 points at Penn State and 10 at Pitt. Marshall scored 31 in one half at Akron. Akron also gave up less yards rushing to Penn State and Pitt combined than they did to Marshall.

So many of you guys are caught up in the ESPN hype it is terrible. You live in perception instead of reality. That's what ESPN and the writers want to feed you. They take care of their contract schools to push their own ratings. You won't hear a sound from ESPN if Pitt is able to beat Virginia Tech. South Carolina may lose 8 games but everyone who beats them will get a bump. Except UK because they're traditionally bad. Which is why a blown call in Gainesville saved a football blue blood one night earlier this year. They were being protected then. Wouldn't happen now.

Perception vs reality, my friend. You're kidding yourself if you buy in to the ESPN hype.