(08-24-2014 05:50 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  SoCal has probably (nah, easily) been the only SBC fan I've seen that has constantly trashed Missouri State. Don't really get it, but however he wants to get his kicks, it's his life.

Our budget is a little weird because they don't report any of our facilities and a ton of our staff come from the general University budget. Add in those numbers and we are closer to $20 mil

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Similar things here. We have a 17 million dollar athletic budget according to our own numbers, yet we're openly admitting that we're undergoing around 50 million dollars in stadium improvements. None of that will ever show up in the Athletic Budget, because we funneled the donations directly into those projects rather than into the Athletic Department first.

Using Athletic Budgets as a judge for anything is foolish.

(08-24-2014 05:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:10 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  A $15 million dollar athletic budget is not impressive. Not at the FBS level. Missouri State will need to spend at least $4 million more on football alone to move up. The market is not the reason the SBC should add Misssouri State. They are in the #74 TV market.

They are going to either need to add seats to their stadium or tear the whole thing down and build a new stadium. Old Dominion, for example, is replacing their old stadium with a new on-campus 30,000 seat stadium with their move to FBS. That is the cost of moving up to FBS.

The school needs to start winning football games and the fans need to start attending the games. The students will have to add their Bear athletic fee if they want to move up. The school will need to show some interest in moving up.

Have you seen ULM and Georgia Southern's budgets? Have you seen some of the rest of the Sun Belt tv market rankings? Have you seen Georgia State's history of winning football? Have you seen Western Kentucky's stadium capacity? Have you seen FIU and Tulane's attendance?

As for showing interest, they are not going to say a word about it until they decide they are going to make the move.

Georgia Southern is increasing their spending on football by about $4.4 million per year according to their AD. They had a stadium expansion to over 24,000 seats. The Georgia market is FBS gold for recruiting. Georgia Southern was winning and had very good attendance at their games.

FIU averaged 15,453 fans last season. They are in a top 20 TV market and they are in another great state for FBS recruiting. They are also expanding their 20,000 seat stadium.

Tulane averaged 19,747 fans lat season in their 30,000 seat stadium. Western Kentucky only seats 22,000, but their fans support the team. Last season they averaged 18,334.

ULM should not be held up as the standard for admitting FCS schools to the SBC. They don't have a desirable TV market. Their football budget and athletic budget needs a huge increase. But they are already FBS and they do have a 30,000 seat stadium.

(08-24-2014 06:17 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:10 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  A $15 million dollar athletic budget is not impressive. Not at the FBS level. Missouri State will need to spend at least $4 million more on football alone to move up. The market is not the reason the SBC should add Misssouri State. They are in the #74 TV market.

They are going to either need to add seats to their stadium or tear the whole thing down and build a new stadium. Old Dominion, for example, is replacing their old stadium with a new on-campus 30,000 seat stadium with their move to FBS. That is the cost of moving up to FBS.

The school needs to start winning football games and the fans need to start attending the games. The students will have to add their Bear athletic fee if they want to move up. The school will need to show some interest in moving up.

Have you seen ULM and Georgia Southern's budgets? Have you seen some of the rest of the Sun Belt tv market rankings? Have you seen Georgia State's history of winning football? Have you seen Western Kentucky's stadium capacity? Have you seen FIU and Tulane's attendance?

As for showing interest, they are not going to say a word about it until they decide they are going to make the move.

Georgia Southern is increasing their spending on football by about $4.4 million per year according to their AD. They had a stadium expansion to over 24,000 seats. The Georgia market is FBS gold for recruiting. Georgia Southern was winning and had very good attendance at their games.

FIU averaged 15,453 fans last season. They are in a top 20 TV market and they are in another great state for FBS recruiting. They are also expanding their 20,000 seat stadium.

Tulane averaged 19,747 fans lat season in their 30,000 seat stadium. Western Kentucky only seats 22,000, but their fans support the team. Last season they averaged 18,334.

ULM should not be held up as the standard for admitting FCS schools to the SBC. They don't have a desirable TV market. Their football budget and athletic budget needs a huge increase. But they are already FBS and they do have a 30,000 seat stadium.

Hmmm. This all sounds the same as when everyone was arguing against going after the Texas FCS twinkies because we didn't want a couple of cheesy FCS schools that had never done anything.

It doesn't take long in FBS to get hoity-toity.

(08-24-2014 05:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You think our AD is lying?

To be fair, that is actually a possibility with our AD. Not necessarily on this topic, but yeah.... We got trust issues with the AD.

(08-24-2014 05:37 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 04:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:49 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 12:23 PM)tux Wrote:  Good article on Missouri State athletic budget:

Link

Interesting. The Missouri State AD denies being contacted recently by the SBC and says any move to FBS football is not a consideration at this time. With a football budget of $2.7 million and football revenues of $513,000, how could they even consider it? They are using $2.2 million in university funds to make up the difference. They are not close to being ready.

Arkansas State moved up in far worse financial situation and we turned out just fine.

Missouri State has to deny contact. You cant say...
"well we really want out of the Missouri Valley, so we've been secretly negotiating with a rival league"

I don't agree with that. Eastern Kentucky has been very open about their interest in moving up. Jacksonville State, Lamar, Liberty among others have expressed interest in moving up. JMU has openly flirted with the idea.

Missouri State is not secretly negotiating with a rival league because they are not interested at this time in moving up. If they were talking to the SBC, why would the MVC care?

SoCalBobcat78...you have been blowing and going about your opinion on this topic so long that you have no credibility. Everyone gets it that you are opposed to Missouri State getting into the belt. Don't you think you've said enough on this topic. It is obvious that you have a minority view that most of us disagrees with. We aren't buying into your arguments.

(08-24-2014 09:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:37 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 04:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:49 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 12:23 PM)tux Wrote:  Good article on Missouri State athletic budget:

Link

Interesting. The Missouri State AD denies being contacted recently by the SBC and says any move to FBS football is not a consideration at this time. With a football budget of $2.7 million and football revenues of $513,000, how could they even consider it? They are using $2.2 million in university funds to make up the difference. They are not close to being ready.

Arkansas State moved up in far worse financial situation and we turned out just fine.

Missouri State has to deny contact. You cant say...
"well we really want out of the Missouri Valley, so we've been secretly negotiating with a rival league"

I don't agree with that. Eastern Kentucky has been very open about their interest in moving up. Jacksonville State, Lamar, Liberty among others have expressed interest in moving up. JMU has openly flirted with the idea.

Missouri State is not secretly negotiating with a rival league because they are not interested at this time in moving up. If they were talking to the SBC, why would the MVC care?

SoCalBobcat78...you have been blowing and going about your opinion on this topic so long that you have no credibility. Everyone gets it that you are opposed to Missouri State getting into the belt. Don't you think you've said enough on this topic. It is obvious that you have a minority view that most of us disagrees with. We aren't buying into your arguments.

When have I said that I am "opposed to Missouri State getting into the belt?" I have said that they are not ready and they are not willing. Missouri State has not shown any interest in moving. If they were interested, then they need to start getting ready. If their AD says that they are not considering a move up at this point, that sure sounds like they are staying.

You want it to happen therefore you believe it is going to happen. If that works for you, great. I could never win that argument.

(08-24-2014 06:23 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  [quote='chiefsfan' pid='11024002' dateline='1408920087']You think our AD is lying?[/quote]

To be fair, that is actually a possibility with our AD. Not necessarily on this topic, but yeah.... We got trust issues with the AD.

That is a question that should have been directed to the Missouri State AD.

(08-24-2014 05:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:10 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  A $15 million dollar athletic budget is not impressive. Not at the FBS level. Missouri State will need to spend at least $4 million more on football alone to move up. The market is not the reason the SBC should add Misssouri State. They are in the #74 TV market.

They are going to either need to add seats to their stadium or tear the whole thing down and build a new stadium. Old Dominion, for example, is replacing their old stadium with a new on-campus 30,000 seat stadium with their move to FBS. That is the cost of moving up to FBS.

The school needs to start winning football games and the fans need to start attending the games. The students will have to add their Bear athletic fee if they want to move up. The school will need to show some interest in moving up.

Have you seen ULM and Georgia Southern's budgets? Have you seen some of the rest of the Sun Belt tv market rankings? Have you seen Georgia State's history of winning football? Have you seen Western Kentucky's stadium capacity? Have you seen FIU and Tulane's attendance?

As for showing interest, they are not going to say a word about it until they decide they are going to make the move.

We will have doubled our athletic budget in about 4 years. We were floating around $10M and will be about $20M next season.

It can be done, but it takes a large amount of people who really care and will shell out money. Does MSU have that?

(08-25-2014 08:56 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:10 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  A $15 million dollar athletic budget is not impressive. Not at the FBS level. Missouri State will need to spend at least $4 million more on football alone to move up. The market is not the reason the SBC should add Misssouri State. They are in the #74 TV market.

They are going to either need to add seats to their stadium or tear the whole thing down and build a new stadium. Old Dominion, for example, is replacing their old stadium with a new on-campus 30,000 seat stadium with their move to FBS. That is the cost of moving up to FBS.

The school needs to start winning football games and the fans need to start attending the games. The students will have to add their Bear athletic fee if they want to move up. The school will need to show some interest in moving up.

Have you seen ULM and Georgia Southern's budgets? Have you seen some of the rest of the Sun Belt tv market rankings? Have you seen Georgia State's history of winning football? Have you seen Western Kentucky's stadium capacity? Have you seen FIU and Tulane's attendance?

As for showing interest, they are not going to say a word about it until they decide they are going to make the move.

We will have doubled our athletic budget in about 4 years. We were floating around $10M and will be about $20M next season.

It can be done, but it takes a large amount of people who really care and will shell out money. Does MSU have that?

They should, SW Missouri has more population and resources than many of us do.

They are perfectly capable of making the move. If they can't then they are doing it wrong.

The Texas schools were never brought to a vote of the league when they went to the WAC despite both applying. UNT didn't want them and there was a feeling that maybe we could move out of the realm of being an entry league.

(08-25-2014 02:45 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 09:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:37 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 04:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:49 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Interesting. The Missouri State AD denies being contacted recently by the SBC and says any move to FBS football is not a consideration at this time. With a football budget of $2.7 million and football revenues of $513,000, how could they even consider it? They are using $2.2 million in university funds to make up the difference. They are not close to being ready.

Arkansas State moved up in far worse financial situation and we turned out just fine.

Missouri State has to deny contact. You cant say...
"well we really want out of the Missouri Valley, so we've been secretly negotiating with a rival league"

I don't agree with that. Eastern Kentucky has been very open about their interest in moving up. Jacksonville State, Lamar, Liberty among others have expressed interest in moving up. JMU has openly flirted with the idea.

Missouri State is not secretly negotiating with a rival league because they are not interested at this time in moving up. If they were talking to the SBC, why would the MVC care?

SoCalBobcat78...you have been blowing and going about your opinion on this topic so long that you have no credibility. Everyone gets it that you are opposed to Missouri State getting into the belt. Don't you think you've said enough on this topic. It is obvious that you have a minority view that most of us disagrees with. We aren't buying into your arguments.

When have I said that I am "opposed to Missouri State getting into the belt?" I have said that they are not ready and they are not willing. Missouri State has not shown any interest in moving. If they were interested, then they need to start getting ready. If their AD says that they are not considering a move up at this point, that sure sounds like they are staying.

You want it to happen therefore you believe it is going to happen. If that works for you, great. I could never win that argument.

I think a stadium expansion and this is the first phase...means they are getting ready.

(08-25-2014 08:56 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:10 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  A $15 million dollar athletic budget is not impressive. Not at the FBS level. Missouri State will need to spend at least $4 million more on football alone to move up. The market is not the reason the SBC should add Misssouri State. They are in the #74 TV market.

They are going to either need to add seats to their stadium or tear the whole thing down and build a new stadium. Old Dominion, for example, is replacing their old stadium with a new on-campus 30,000 seat stadium with their move to FBS. That is the cost of moving up to FBS.

The school needs to start winning football games and the fans need to start attending the games. The students will have to add their Bear athletic fee if they want to move up. The school will need to show some interest in moving up.

Have you seen ULM and Georgia Southern's budgets? Have you seen some of the rest of the Sun Belt tv market rankings? Have you seen Georgia State's history of winning football? Have you seen Western Kentucky's stadium capacity? Have you seen FIU and Tulane's attendance?

As for showing interest, they are not going to say a word about it until they decide they are going to make the move.

We will have doubled our athletic budget in about 4 years. We were floating around $10M and will be about $20M next season.

It can be done, but it takes a large amount of people who really care and will shell out money. Does MSU have that?

Lol, have you seen our facilities? Yeah... We've got some peeps that will donate.


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BTW, I wouldn't buy into our AD denying. He also went on to say that, basically, the decision was way above him.

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(08-25-2014 11:11 AM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  BTW, I wouldn't buy into our AD denying. He also went on to say that, basically, the decision was way above him.

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SoCalBobcat78 has insider information on Missouri State that only he has....and it's that you aren't ready and don't want to move up. But where's his credibility?

(08-25-2014 11:49 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-25-2014 11:11 AM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  BTW, I wouldn't buy into our AD denying. He also went on to say that, basically, the decision was way above him.

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SoCalBobcat78 has insider information on Missouri State that only he has....and it's that you aren't ready and don't want to move up. But where's his credibility?

Well, he's probably right on one thing. We aren't really ready yet. Ideal situation we would still need another 5 years just to prepare as best as possible. That said, this situation has become urgent. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see us announce a move up in the spring.

Dead serious.

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(08-25-2014 12:17 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  

(08-25-2014 11:49 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-25-2014 11:11 AM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  BTW, I wouldn't buy into our AD denying. He also went on to say that, basically, the decision was way above him.

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SoCalBobcat78 has insider information on Missouri State that only he has....and it's that you aren't ready and don't want to move up. But where's his credibility?

Well, he's probably right on one thing. We aren't really ready yet. Ideal situation we would still need another 5 years just to prepare as best as possible. That said, this situation has become urgent. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see us announce a move up in the spring.

Dead serious.

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I look forward to seeing Missouri State being added and New Mexico State as full member and EKU as an eastern member.

Hope adding Missouri State works out because have never seen a schools fans so
ardent about a school joining the Sun Belt. stAte fans, more so than even MSU
fans.

(08-25-2014 02:10 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Hope adding Missouri State works out because have never seen a schools fans so
ardent about a school joining the Sun Belt. stAte fans, more so than even MSU
fans.

I was born near Springfield and have many family members who have attended Missouri State so I hope they make it in as well but I also hope that happens in conjunction with Idaho saying goodbye and EKU or some other viable option added in the east.

(08-25-2014 02:10 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Hope adding Missouri State works out because have never seen a schools fans so
ardent about a school joining the Sun Belt. stAte fans, more so than even MSU
fans.

Long history of near-misses landing in the same league. Since joining the NCAA in the 1950's we have never had a league football opponent closer than about 300 miles.

We just need 1 more all sports team added.The conference should do that and just stop there.