(07-31-2014 11:22 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:35 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game?

It's the latest trend of big time college football. See: LSU v. TCU, USC v. Alabama, LSU v. Wisconsin, Florida State v. OK. State, Florida v. Michigan (2017), etc.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

70%, huh? So you only expect UH to draw 21k fans against OU? Are you being facetious, or are you just an idiot? The truth is, it'll be a hell of an atmosphere (probably a 60/40 split in favor of UH) and be a show case for both the AAC and UH.

No one cares how "many, many" offers UCF didn't receive to play teams at the Citrus Bowl, and how stupid it was for UCF to (allegedly) decline them.

I love how if another AAC school DARES steal UCF's perceived spotlight, some of you instantly go into attack mode. So funny.

Why don't you ask USF how having FSU in RJS went for them? And USF does in fact have a larger fan base than Houston does.

You're completely lying to yourself if you believe that UH will outdraw Oklahoma in a neutral site game.

Opening. Weekend. Better chance (for both sides) to buy tickets. I don't know who's going to outdraw who, but I know that unlike FSU, Oklahoma's fanbase may not be close enough to simply have 55k of their own in the seats, but is big and close enough to probably have 30-40k, and UH will definitely have enough to fill the rest. That's IF it goes that way. Either way, it'll be a ridiculous atmosphere, and a grand stage for the University of Houston. Gotta love that.

To say TV ratings will be the deciding factor is a old way of thinking now. Ratings matter for the AAC because we don't have a network. Conference networks will be the way of the future. TV ratings is what got the contracts we see now, conference networks are the future. With Conference networks being negotiated with carriers the market size will be more important then the ratings. I will agree UH as of now does not move the TV ratings thus a move to the B12 or ACC is hard to see as those don't have networks at the present time; however if you are the PAC12 you want your network carried in the best network. Look at B10 and Rutgers. That was a move based on getting into the NYC market. Rutgers gets good in the B10 the demand will be there for carrying fees. It's a move on potential.

IMO, it's a very long shot at UH going to the PAC12 however to say TV ratings is the thing that will stop it is not looking at the PAC12 business model and understanding it.

Also, if you think UH fans wont go to this OU game then you don't understand the UH fan base. We are a fickle bunch that clings to the excitement of beating teams like this. We could play UCF on a Sat night, on ESPN for the access slot and it be a "hope" we sell out. That is not a knock on UCF, that is more of a issue with maturing our fan base to care about all games instead of the once in awhile games.

(07-31-2014 11:22 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:35 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game?

It's the latest trend of big time college football. See: LSU v. TCU, USC v. Alabama, LSU v. Wisconsin, Florida State v. OK. State, Florida v. Michigan (2017), etc.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

70%, huh? So you only expect UH to draw 21k fans against OU? Are you being facetious, or are you just an idiot? The truth is, it'll be a hell of an atmosphere (probably a 60/40 split in favor of UH) and be a show case for both the AAC and UH.

No one cares how "many, many" offers UCF didn't receive to play teams at the Citrus Bowl, and how stupid it was for UCF to (allegedly) decline them.

I love how if another AAC school DARES steal UCF's perceived spotlight, some of you instantly go into attack mode. So funny.

Why don't you ask USF how having FSU in RJS went for them? And USF does in fact have a larger fan base than Houston does.

You're completely lying to yourself if you believe that UH will outdraw Oklahoma in a neutral site game.

Thanks for your concern but we actually get a chance to see. I'll take pics for you to hang on your wall.

(07-31-2014 11:33 AM)Philosocoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:22 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:35 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game?

It's the latest trend of big time college football. See: LSU v. TCU, USC v. Alabama, LSU v. Wisconsin, Florida State v. OK. State, Florida v. Michigan (2017), etc.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

70%, huh? So you only expect UH to draw 21k fans against OU? Are you being facetious, or are you just an idiot? The truth is, it'll be a hell of an atmosphere (probably a 60/40 split in favor of UH) and be a show case for both the AAC and UH.

No one cares how "many, many" offers UCF didn't receive to play teams at the Citrus Bowl, and how stupid it was for UCF to (allegedly) decline them.

I love how if another AAC school DARES steal UCF's perceived spotlight, some of you instantly go into attack mode. So funny.

Why don't you ask USF how having FSU in RJS went for them? And USF does in fact have a larger fan base than Houston does.

You're completely lying to yourself if you believe that UH will outdraw Oklahoma in a neutral site game.

Thanks for your concern but we actually get a chance to see. I'll take pics for you to hang on your wall.

What?

I already have a neutral site game picture hanging on my wall. It's the panoramic of a BCS game that UCF won last January.

(07-31-2014 11:22 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:35 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game?

It's the latest trend of big time college football. See: LSU v. TCU, USC v. Alabama, LSU v. Wisconsin, Florida State v. OK. State, Florida v. Michigan (2017), etc.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

70%, huh? So you only expect UH to draw 21k fans against OU? Are you being facetious, or are you just an idiot? The truth is, it'll be a hell of an atmosphere (probably a 60/40 split in favor of UH) and be a show case for both the AAC and UH.

No one cares how "many, many" offers UCF didn't receive to play teams at the Citrus Bowl, and how stupid it was for UCF to (allegedly) decline them.

I love how if another AAC school DARES steal UCF's perceived spotlight, some of you instantly go into attack mode. So funny.

Why don't you ask USF how having FSU in RJS went for them? And USF does in fact have a larger fan base than Houston does.

You're completely lying to yourself if you believe that UH will outdraw Oklahoma in a neutral site game.

If this "neutral site" game was in any city except Houston I would agree with you. Our fair weather fans get up for the big games so I expect 40,000-50,000 UH fans. In regards to the UCF game our ratings were bad as was most of the season. Hopefully with some stability this year (all games at same stadium, a winning team) they will heavily improve.

UCF and Houston are a lot more simliar than many of us say. Our schools can dominate our respective markets, we just can't do it on a consistent basis when you have UF vs FSU or LSU vs A&M games as your competitors.

(07-31-2014 12:44 PM)UHDC Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:22 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:35 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game?

It's the latest trend of big time college football. See: LSU v. TCU, USC v. Alabama, LSU v. Wisconsin, Florida State v. OK. State, Florida v. Michigan (2017), etc.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

70%, huh? So you only expect UH to draw 21k fans against OU? Are you being facetious, or are you just an idiot? The truth is, it'll be a hell of an atmosphere (probably a 60/40 split in favor of UH) and be a show case for both the AAC and UH.

No one cares how "many, many" offers UCF didn't receive to play teams at the Citrus Bowl, and how stupid it was for UCF to (allegedly) decline them.

I love how if another AAC school DARES steal UCF's perceived spotlight, some of you instantly go into attack mode. So funny.

Why don't you ask USF how having FSU in RJS went for them? And USF does in fact have a larger fan base than Houston does.

You're completely lying to yourself if you believe that UH will outdraw Oklahoma in a neutral site game.

If this "neutral site" game was in any city except Houston I would agree with you. Our fair weather fans get up for the big games so I expect 40,000-50,000 UH fans. In regards to the UCF game our ratings were bad as was most of the season. Hopefully with some stability this year (all games at same stadium, a winning team) they will heavily improve.

UCF and Houston are a lot more simliar than many of us say. Our schools can dominate our respective markets, we just can't do it on a consistent basis when you have UF vs FSU or LSU vs A&M games as your competitors.

You will likely not get that many UH fans based on UConn's experience with Michigan last year. What happened is that UConn only made Michigan tickets available as part of a full season ticket package. The logic was that it would give UConn a huge fan advantage and would help to sell UConn football season tickets. Well, they were only right on the second one. What happened is that Michigan fans snapped up UConn season tickets just to get tickets to that one game and then sold the other games on third party sites like StubHub. UConn fans just spent too much time mulling over season tickets and were just too slow moving on it (thanks to the Pasqualoni factor). I suspect that OU fans will probably be more motivated than UH fans as well if UH makes it part of a season ticket package. Schools like Michigan and OU travel well for football. Not to mention that if the game is available on a ticketing website like Ticketmaster, OU fans will definitely be the large majority in attendance.

Now we aren't going to draw well because UConn doesn't know what they're doing.

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I just don't understand how you guys think a neutral site game automatically pushes you into the P5 picture...ECU has played at BofA Stadium in Charlotte in 1996 and 2004 vs. NC State (96 game was 60,000+), 99 vs. WVU, 08 vs. Virginia Tech (which was a sellout at 72,000+), and in 2011 vs USC (60,000 in attendance). Cincinnatti plays at Paul Brown often. Just because you get a big game at the NFL stadium closest to your school doesn't mean anything amigos.

You may draw well, but get over yourselves.

(07-31-2014 12:58 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:44 PM)UHDC Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:22 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:35 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game?

It's the latest trend of big time college football. See: LSU v. TCU, USC v. Alabama, LSU v. Wisconsin, Florida State v. OK. State, Florida v. Michigan (2017), etc.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

70%, huh? So you only expect UH to draw 21k fans against OU? Are you being facetious, or are you just an idiot? The truth is, it'll be a hell of an atmosphere (probably a 60/40 split in favor of UH) and be a show case for both the AAC and UH.

No one cares how "many, many" offers UCF didn't receive to play teams at the Citrus Bowl, and how stupid it was for UCF to (allegedly) decline them.

I love how if another AAC school DARES steal UCF's perceived spotlight, some of you instantly go into attack mode. So funny.

Why don't you ask USF how having FSU in RJS went for them? And USF does in fact have a larger fan base than Houston does.

You're completely lying to yourself if you believe that UH will outdraw Oklahoma in a neutral site game.

If this "neutral site" game was in any city except Houston I would agree with you. Our fair weather fans get up for the big games so I expect 40,000-50,000 UH fans. In regards to the UCF game our ratings were bad as was most of the season. Hopefully with some stability this year (all games at same stadium, a winning team) they will heavily improve.

UCF and Houston are a lot more simliar than many of us say. Our schools can dominate our respective markets, we just can't do it on a consistent basis when you have UF vs FSU or LSU vs A&M games as your competitors.

You will likely not get that many UH fans based on UConn's experience with Michigan last year. What happened is that UConn only made Michigan tickets available as part of a full season ticket package. The logic was that it would give UConn a huge fan advantage and would help to sell UConn football season tickets. Well, they were only right on the second one. What happened is that Michigan fans snapped up UConn season tickets just to get tickets to that one game and then sold the other games on third party sites like StubHub. UConn fans just spent too much time mulling over season tickets and were just too slow moving on it (thanks to the Pasqualoni factor). I suspect that OU fans will probably be more motivated than UH fans as well if UH makes it part of a season ticket package. Schools like Michigan and OU travel well for football. Not to mention that if the game is available on a ticketing website like Ticketmaster, OU fans will definitely be the large majority in attendance.

This is the most even handed comment I've seen in this thread. You have UH fans who aren't living in reality on one side, and on the other side fand of other schools ready to pee on whatever excitement UH fans have. I wish everyone would just look at the facts and use common sense here.

I was ready to post congratulations I until I start reading "Yeah if we draw well and win this one, off to the Pac-12 we go!!" ...WTF?!

(07-31-2014 01:06 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  I just don't understand how you guys think a neutral site game automatically pushes you into the P5 picture...ECU has played at BofA Stadium in Charlotte in 1996 and 2004 vs. NC State, 99 vs. WVU, 08 vs. Virginia Tech, and in 2011 vs USC. Cincinnatti plays at Paul Brown often. Just because you get a big game at the NFL stadium closest to your school doesn't mean anything amigos.

You may draw well, but get over yourselves.

That is because many in our fan base are crazy, especially those who mention the SEC as an option. Houston is already in the picture for the P5 so is UCF, BYU, Cincy, playing OU just helps our case. I think the main difference between this "neutral site" game and the ones you mention is that it is a sponsored event that brings in a ton of money. Anyone can go rent out an NFL stadium and play a game (Houston did it last year) but not that many get picked to play rent free and make a nice paycheck on top. It's almost an extra bowl game for us.

(07-31-2014 11:22 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:35 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game?

It's the latest trend of big time college football. See: LSU v. TCU, USC v. Alabama, LSU v. Wisconsin, Florida State v. OK. State, Florida v. Michigan (2017), etc.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

70%, huh? So you only expect UH to draw 21k fans against OU? Are you being facetious, or are you just an idiot? The truth is, it'll be a hell of an atmosphere (probably a 60/40 split in favor of UH) and be a show case for both the AAC and UH.

No one cares how "many, many" offers UCF didn't receive to play teams at the Citrus Bowl, and how stupid it was for UCF to (allegedly) decline them.

I love how if another AAC school DARES steal UCF's perceived spotlight, some of you instantly go into attack mode. So funny.

Why don't you ask USF how having FSU in RJS went for them? And USF does in fact have a larger fan base than Houston does.

You're completely lying to yourself if you believe that UH will outdraw Oklahoma in a neutral site game.

Distance from Tallahassee to Tampa Bay = 4 hours

Distance from Oklahoma City to Houston = 7 hours

FSU undergrad population = 30K

OU undergrad population = 20K

The situations really aren't comparable.

40K Cougars showed up to watch us play TCU at Reliant, and that was even before the Sumlin/Keenum-mania era.

It's going to be a 60/40 split in favor of UH, provided neither team has a huge change in performance between now and then.

(07-31-2014 01:21 PM)UHDC Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 01:06 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  I just don't understand how you guys think a neutral site game automatically pushes you into the P5 picture...ECU has played at BofA Stadium in Charlotte in 1996 and 2004 vs. NC State, 99 vs. WVU, 08 vs. Virginia Tech, and in 2011 vs USC. Cincinnatti plays at Paul Brown often. Just because you get a big game at the NFL stadium closest to your school doesn't mean anything amigos.

You may draw well, but get over yourselves.

That is because many in our fan base are crazy, especially those who mention the SEC as an option. Houston is already in the picture for the P5 so is UCF, BYU, Cincy, playing OU just helps our case. I think the main difference between this "neutral site" game and the ones you mention is that it is a sponsored event that brings in a ton of money. Anyone can go rent out an NFL stadium and play a game (Houston did it last year) but not that many get picked to play rent free and make a nice paycheck on top. It's almost an extra bowl game for us.

2 million dollar payout for both teams.

(07-31-2014 01:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Now we aren't going to draw well because UConn doesn't know what they're doing.

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No offense, but UConn's fanbase DWARFS Houston's. DWARFS it!!!

Don't let me stop your delusions of grandeur, though.

(07-31-2014 01:20 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  I was ready to post congratulations I until I start reading "Yeah if we draw well and win this one, off to the Pac-12 we go!!" ...WTF?!

Where the hell did anyone say that? Go ahead and quote them, I'd love to see these posts that don't exist.

(07-31-2014 09:29 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 11:30 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  Big 12 audition.

Show up, play a good game, and we might just punch our ticket.

Lord knows the Big 12, especially the North, is missing that Houston connection.

In that case, UCF should have been in the Big 12 already considering we "auditioned" in the Fiesta Bowl by trouncing the Big 12 champion.

In an era where eyeballs on TVs is the deciding factor for expansion, it's not good for Houston that your home market drew absolute miniscule TV ratings last year when your team was on the road.

The TV ratings last year were pretty terrible, and yet we're still considered a more valuable commodity to the networks than UCF when it comes to TV (as are Temple, Cincinnati, and UConn, apparently). So, figure that out.

Anyway, the Fiesta Bowl was not an elective for the Big 12. Baylor was forced to play you (and quite disappointed in having to do so), Oklahoma went out of their way to schedule us. Kind of different terms.

I don't like to put down fellow member institutions, but when you act like such a jagoff, it leaves me little choice. Good with your ACC audition in 2016

(07-31-2014 01:24 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 01:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Now we aren't going to draw well because UConn doesn't know what they're doing.

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No offense, but UConn's fanbase DWARFS Houston's. DWARFS it!!!

Don't let me stop your delusions of grandeur, though.

no offense, we have a fickle fare weather fanbase as is the nature of a city team, but a winning houston in reference to football only trumps uconns football fanbases

the 2 high rated c-usa games where both Houston in huge portion becuase of houston texas...
our game vs tech in 09 had a 9.2 neilson rating in houston, which until manziel came along what he highest rated game in the area in over a decade
people in texas care about football, and Houston is by far the biggest city in the south

(07-31-2014 01:20 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  I was ready to post congratulations I until I start reading "Yeah if we draw well and win this one, off to the Pac-12 we go!!" ...WTF?!

it was a joke, no one actually believes that..you took a joke nad made it into something serious..

(07-31-2014 01:24 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 01:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Now we aren't going to draw well because UConn doesn't know what they're doing.

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No offense, but UConn's fanbase DWARFS Houston's. DWARFS it!!!

Don't let me stop your delusions of grandeur, though.

Regardless of how the two fan bases compare in size, I fail to see what UConn's mismanagement of tickets has to do with us.

(07-31-2014 10:02 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 09:56 AM)Redvolution Wrote:  Easily the best scenario for OOC we could have hoped for. OU is a top-15 all time college football program who has as much prestige as anybody in the nation, especially in this part of the country. Opening weekend, in our city (albeit a neutral site), and national TV. This easily replaces the "hole" left by not playing Texas, A&M, or anybody else really. One and done, and no "return" trip to Norman? Awesome job by Mack Rhodes and the UH administration, as well as Stoops and the OU people. Can anybody else in the league claim a neutral site deal against a top-15 program? On opening weekend?

No offense but what is so great about a neutral site game? Especially when OU fans comprise 70% of the stadium while being played IN Houston?

UCF has had many, many offers from teams to play in the Citrus Bowl but we've declined every one. FSU made this offer prior to re-signing a deal with USF (which they like, due to being able to jam their fans into RJS).

I'd much rather play teams willing to actually playin in BHNS and go up agianst a real home field advantage.

you realize reliant is 10 minutes from our campus? and norman is hundreds of miles away
that to get "more than" oklahoma we'd only need about 35k fans there
for the first game of the season which always does the best in sales, Houston could do 35k by itself to a lower level P5.
if you dont think our fans will get up on the first game of the season especially for a team like oklahoma you are crazy..id bet money we do way more than the 35k..

and again itll be okorns senior season or the fact he had a monster season before and went to the draft as a junior meaning there will still be buzz ( piland soldout his first few games after keenum left)..their will definitely be buzz for use to easily do 35k