(05-23-2014 01:35 PM)lance99 Wrote:  Need a team? Take Eastern Michigan. No strings attached. Deal?

Unfortunately there's still a travel partner problem, so somehow I think the Sunbelt would be uninterested in talking a trade with the MAC of EMU for one FCS-callup to be named later.

(05-18-2014 03:38 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  I think we stay at 11 until we convince an existing FBS team to make the switch. I just don't see them adding another FCS team until the ones they have make a name for themselves.

Amen, Brother Ben. Shot a goose and killed a hen.

In order of preference:

1) Missouri State
2) Eastern Kentucky
3) James Madison
4) Coastal Carolina
5) Southern Illinois
6) Delaware
7) Towson

As I have posted before, I would love to see an attempt to trash the MVC by inviting Missouri State and Southern Illinois as football members, Wichita State as a non-football member, and making NMSU a full member. EKU would be my first pick for the 14th football member should that happen. If the MVC responds with adding Belmont and Murray State, it just transfers most of the damage to the OVC, which already took a hit with losing EKU. If the MVC backfills with Valparaiso or another Horizon League school for #10, the Horizon may even take 1-2 OVC schools.

The point would be to gather several basketball-first schools in the SBC:

New Mexico State
Missouri State
Wichita State
Southern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky (or UMass playing 4-6 SBC basketball games as a football only member)

If the existing SBC membership gets competitive with any or all of the above on a regular basis, the SBC could easily exceed what the MVC is now in a few years.

(05-24-2014 07:30 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  In order of preference:

1) Missouri State
2) Eastern Kentucky
3) James Madison
4) Coastal Carolina
5) Southern Illinois
6) Delaware
7) Towson

As I have posted before, I would love to see an attempt to trash the MVC by inviting Missouri State and Southern Illinois as football members, Wichita State as a non-football member, and making NMSU a full member. EKU would be my first pick for the 14th football member should that happen. If the MVC responds with adding Belmont and Murray State, it just transfers most of the damage to the OVC, which already took a hit with losing EKU. If the MVC backfills with Valparaiso or another Horizon League school for #10, the Horizon may even take 1-2 OVC schools.

The point would be to gather several basketball-first schools in the SBC:

New Mexico State
Missouri State
Wichita State
Southern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky (or UMass playing 4-6 SBC basketball games as a football only member)

If the existing SBC membership gets competitive with any or all of the above on a regular basis, the SBC could easily exceed what the MVC is now in a few years.

New Mexico State in all sports
Missouri State
Eastern Kentucky University
UT Chattanooga
Southern Illinois

Chattanooga really needs to realize the opportunity they have to be that 12th team and make a push for it. They have good facilities, they fit the footprint, they could be App State's travel partner. But right now their fanbase is content where they are and so is their leadership. I don't see that changing in the next two years.


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(05-23-2014 03:22 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 03:38 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  I think we stay at 11 until we convince an existing FBS team to make the switch. I just don't see them adding another FCS team until the ones they have make a name for themselves.

Amen, Brother Ben. Shot a goose and killed a hen.

I think we stay at 11 until we can convince an FBS team to jump to us, or until JMU or Missouri State decide they want to come on. Those two teams I think are the exception.

Chatty is barely hanging on in FCS it seems, much less FBS.

I don't dismiss KSU, they are in money soaked Cobb County, once they get started, I have a feeling they will quickly out grow the limits of that women's soccer stadium(Atlanta Beat) and either expand it to 20K or build new.
Time to unintentionally stir up a hornets nest, well maybe a sweat bee nest as the sting isn't near as bad.
When Georgia State started football, some folks around here were like " State ? Football ? Really ?? Bwahaha" but not so much now.
I give KSU ten years, they'll be ready, but it'll take at least that long, and that's still twenty years less than it took Southern.


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(05-25-2014 07:03 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  I don't dismiss KSU, they are in money soaked Cobb County, once they get started, I have a feeling they will quickly out grow the limits of that women's soccer stadium(Atlanta Beat) and either expand it to 20K or build new.
Time to unintentionally stir up a hornets nest, well maybe a sweat bee nest as the sting isn't near as bad.
When Georgia State started football, some folks around here were like " State ? Football ? Really ?? Bwahaha" but not so much now.
I give KSU ten years, they'll be ready, but it'll take at least that long, and that's still twenty years less than it took Southern.


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The problem is that none of the money soaked attende KSU or intend to send their kids there > which is why they get no money for athletics > which is why they had to push their start up from 2013 to 2014 to 2015 > which is why there is little chance to nil they will make to FBS even in 10 years.

Locally many of us have watched the contrast between Mercer and KSU and its staggering. Remember that KSU anounced football BEFORE Mercer and Mercer is now headed into year 2, built a stadium and football operations building from scratch and already has plans to expand their stadium seating since every game was a sellout. The difference was alumni and community $upport of which KSU has none. If KSU actually had that support we wouldnt be having this conversation. The difference between GSU and KSU is that when we started football we immediately started building a football operations/practice complex which was operational before the first game was played.There were people giving dollars to make it happen. I feel for KSU because I imagine there is likely a small group of alumni true believers who have an uphill battle ahead of them.

More likely to see some step downs than ups over the next few years. State budgets are stretched. UMass could be one of the first.

Key to look at: Total Subsidy- The total amount of money the state provides the university of athletics

http://collegead.org/college-athletic-de...t-budgets/

Any school over 50%- 60%, their participation in FBS is questionable?

(05-25-2014 09:23 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  More likely to see some step downs than ups over the next few years. State budgets are stretched. UMass could be one of the first.

Key to look at: Total Subsidy- The total amount of money the state provides the university of athletics

http://collegead.org/college-athletic-de...t-budgets/

Any school over 50%, participation in FBS is questionable?

Nobody is stepping down. Athletics is a marketing tool. Its a cost center. The pluses of that halftime university commercial on TV outweigh the costs. Nobody is giving that up.

I would expect a Georgia State guy to see it that way. But GA taxpayers ask to pay higher taxes will not see it that way, state employees ask to take pension cuts due to stretch state budgets might not agree?

UGA 3.5%
GASTATE 84.7%

We need to be careful.

ODU 72.70%
UVA 16.50%

JMU is 83.00%

I commend you guys at State, you did a fine job with the hiring of CBC, it's no ones fault but the coaching staff's after that. It's a shame he had to go out with such an abysmal record, because he's a good man. But it was a good hire not knowing the outcome before hand.
Insofar as your facilities, I think y'all have done well for inner city facilities with such limited space.
On KSU, if you look back at GS's startup, it was the epitome of a shoestring budget.
Some of the more well informed of the Eagle posters can quote statistics, but I believe CER's program had much more humble beginnings, and the results speak for themselves.
With regard to Mercer, yah I totally agree. I've followed them with interest since their first press conference. Id like to see them visit Paulson, and the Dome, I'm sure they'd travel well to either, being their alumni are all our neighbors.


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App State looks pretty good at 50.10%
NCST 2.10
UNC 11.70%
ECU 39.70%

Each state can only support so many FBS program.

(05-25-2014 09:37 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  I would expect a Georgia State guy to see it that way. But GA taxpayers ask to pay higher taxes will not see it that way, state employees ask to take pension cuts due to stretch state budgets might not agree?

UGA 3.5%
GASTATE 84.7%

ODU 72.7%
VT 11.3%



By your criteria there would be no G5.

Now ask me when is the last time a student fee was repealed in the state of Georgia...

Nobody is dropping down. By the way, the Chancellor of the Georgia Board of Regents is a GSU graduate.

(05-25-2014 09:46 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  I commend you guys at State, you did a fine job with the hiring of CBC, it's no ones fault but the coaching staff's after that. It's a shame he had to go out with such an abysmal record, because he's a good man. But it was a good hire not knowing the outcome before hand.
Insofar as your facilities, I think y'all have done well for inner city facilities with such limited space.
On KSU, if you look back at GS's startup, it was the epitome of a shoestring budget.
Some of the more well informed of the Eagle posters can quote statistics, but I believe CER's program had much more humble beginnings, and the results speak for themselves.
With regard to Mercer, yah I totally agree. I've followed them with interest since their first press conference. Id like to see them visit Paulson, and the Dome, I'm sure they'd travel well to either, being their alumni are all our neighbors.


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But GS started up in the Dark Ages of startups. It was pre-pre-BCS. There are now legendary stories of even Miami in IA having horrible facilities when Howard Schnellenberger took over and the strength coach knocking out a concrete block wall with a sledgehammer to create space for a weight room. You wouldn't expect that even at the FCS level in this day an age. Totally different era.

Never forget, some things talk and others walk.

(05-25-2014 09:49 AM)panama Wrote:  ODU 72.7%
VT 11.3%

Like I said, we need to be very careful. Our hopes hinge of a new stadium. 20,000 seats is not going to pay FBS bills. We are selling out every game, but we need to be doing it in 50,000 seat stadium.

(05-25-2014 10:08 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 09:49 AM)panama Wrote:  ODU 72.7%
VT 11.3%

Like I said, we need to be very careful. Our hopes hinge of a new stadium. 20,000 seats is not going to pay FBS bills. We are selling out every game, but we need to be doing it in 50,000 seat stadium.

Would think your administration has hands on the problem and will probably be able to raise the money for the stadium from private sources.