(05-22-2014 03:16 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 02:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 03:47 PM)GSU Eagle Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 01:09 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 11:13 AM)panama Wrote:  How?

They have been Div II for 30 years.

They have no money.

They could work with the City of Valdosta to issue a bond for capital improvement. The local chambers of conference would love to see Ga State and Ga Southern alumni and fans spend a day or two in the Title Town. Six SBC games a year would be a boost to the local economy.

The stadium could be built so it could be expanded in stages.

They have half the student population as GA Southern, poorly funded, next to zero interest by the surrounding community and ZERO recognition outside of south Georgia. And they play in the local high school's stadium! Give me a break! They MIGHT move to FCS the day GA Southern is invited to the ACC...very entertaining stuff though

Georgia State did not have a football team four years ago and look at them now. VSU has a rich football history and has 13,000 students on campus.

ULM's enrollment is about 9,000; USA's is just over 15,000; both schools were FBS before Ga State, Ga Southern and App State. Troy has only about 9,000 on campus. ULL is about 17,000.

So I will give you a break since you don't know what you are talking about.

Interesting, I give your idea about Valdosta some attention.

(1) How much money would it take VSU to make the JUMP to FBS when it seems they can’t even make the move to FCS?
(2) How do they fund 85 scholarships for football alone?
(3) How do you increase attendance from an avg. of 5,500 to 15,000?
(4) Do they have all the sports needed to make the move to the SB and can they support them and the travel expenses?
5. Where do they get the extra money?

I guess all my questions revolve around the financing a move that jumps from D2 over FCS to FBS.

Wait wait...this guy knows what he's talking about

(05-22-2014 03:26 PM)GSU Eagle Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:16 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 02:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 03:47 PM)GSU Eagle Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 01:09 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  They could work with the City of Valdosta to issue a bond for capital improvement. The local chambers of conference would love to see Ga State and Ga Southern alumni and fans spend a day or two in the Title Town. Six SBC games a year would be a boost to the local economy.

The stadium could be built so it could be expanded in stages.

They have half the student population as GA Southern, poorly funded, next to zero interest by the surrounding community and ZERO recognition outside of south Georgia. And they play in the local high school's stadium! Give me a break! They MIGHT move to FCS the day GA Southern is invited to the ACC...very entertaining stuff though

Georgia State did not have a football team four years ago and look at them now. VSU has a rich football history and has 13,000 students on campus.

ULM's enrollment is about 9,000; USA's is just over 15,000; both schools were FBS before Ga State, Ga Southern and App State. Troy has only about 9,000 on campus. ULL is about 17,000.

So I will give you a break since you don't know what you are talking about.

Interesting, I give your idea about Valdosta some attention.

(1) How much money would it take VSU to make the JUMP to FBS when it seems they can’t even make the move to FCS?
(2) How do they fund 85 scholarships for football alone?
(3) How do you increase attendance from an avg. of 5,500 to 15,000?
(4) Do they have all the sports needed to make the move to the SB and can they support them and the travel expenses?
5. Where do they get the extra money?

I guess all my questions revolve around the financing a move that jumps from D2 over FCS to FBS.

Wait wait...this guy knows what he's talking about

Come on GSU-EAGLE, Give him a chance.
What is VSUs total budget now?

(05-22-2014 03:38 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:26 PM)GSU Eagle Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:16 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 02:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 03:47 PM)GSU Eagle Wrote:  They have half the student population as GA Southern, poorly funded, next to zero interest by the surrounding community and ZERO recognition outside of south Georgia. And they play in the local high school's stadium! Give me a break! They MIGHT move to FCS the day GA Southern is invited to the ACC...very entertaining stuff though

Georgia State did not have a football team four years ago and look at them now. VSU has a rich football history and has 13,000 students on campus.

ULM's enrollment is about 9,000; USA's is just over 15,000; both schools were FBS before Ga State, Ga Southern and App State. Troy has only about 9,000 on campus. ULL is about 17,000.

So I will give you a break since you don't know what you are talking about.

Interesting, I give your idea about Valdosta some attention.

(1) How much money would it take VSU to make the JUMP to FBS when it seems they can’t even make the move to FCS?
(2) How do they fund 85 scholarships for football alone?
(3) How do you increase attendance from an avg. of 5,500 to 15,000?
(4) Do they have all the sports needed to make the move to the SB and can they support them and the travel expenses?
5. Where do they get the extra money?

I guess all my questions revolve around the financing a move that jumps from D2 over FCS to FBS.

Wait wait...this guy knows what he's talking about

Come on GSU-EAGLE, Give him a chance.
What is VSUs total budget now?

$7,068,323

Maybe the right answer is to not add. Why move to 12 when we have 11 schools that need to improve on the field.

We have 3 FCS move ups (GSU, AppSt, GaSo) 3 FBS schools that are bottom of the barrel ( ULM, Idaho, NMSU), 3 that are doing well but are fairly new( TxSt, USA, Troy) and 2 that are well established FBS football schools ( UL, ArkSt ). So lets cool the expansion talk and get the rest up to speed.

I could make an argument to only have 8 football conference members

(05-22-2014 03:42 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:38 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  Come on GSU-EAGLE, Give him a chance.
What is VSUs total budget now?

$7,068,323

So only need to add a two in front and they're set. Or even a one if they can get some one-off contributions to get their facilities bought and paid for.

(05-22-2014 03:46 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:42 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:38 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  Come on GSU-EAGLE, Give him a chance.
What is VSUs total budget now?

$7,068,323

So only need to add a two in front and they're set.

Well that and the fact that they would be shocked that they are being mentioned as wanting FBS

(05-22-2014 03:44 PM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Maybe the right answer is to not add. Why move to 12 when we have 11 schools that need to to improve on the field.

The basic reason is if there is some alignment that generates enough more revenue to members to help give them the resources to improve on the field or the court.

If a CCG is available at 11 and it adds some media revenue, staying at 11 and sharing that revenue among fewer hands could well be the best play.

(05-22-2014 03:47 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:46 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So only need to add a two in front and they're set.

Well that and the fact that they would be shocked that they are being mentioned as wanting FBS

I kind of think waking up one day and discovering that they want to be in the FBS would be one of the many, many, many steps (some of them far from certain in their execution) on the way to tacking a two in the front of their athletic budget.

Since if they looked at the process without wanting to be in the FBS from the outset, the immediate response to the requirements would be, "ah, so that's why we never did that."

BRUCE - So only need to add a two in front and they're set. Or even a one if they can get some one-off contributions to get their facilities bought and paid for.

Panama - Your RIGHT!

Has VSU even done a study on what it would cost?
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As the Statesboro Herald explains, the plan to move to the Football Bowl Subdivision, also called the "Soaring to Victory Campaign" has been split into five phases; Phase I: “Stabilizing the Program” ($15.5 million); Phase II: “Enhancing The Student Athlete Experience” ($2.85 million); Phase III: “Upgrading Athletic Facilities” ($7.5 million); Phase IV: “Improving the Fan Experience” ($10.5 million) and Phase V: “Expanding the Technology Infrastructure ($275,000). Note from FootballScoop> That $275k for Technology Infrastructure seems a little light.

Phase I will focus on paying coaches in all sports at or above the Southern Conference median salary. Athletic Foundation President John Mulherin explained “There’s no reason Georgia Southern should be the training ground for good, young coaches. If you've got a good, young coach, you want to keep them.”

Right now the operating athletic budget at the University is about $12 million. In order to rank amongst the bottom FBS schools they will need to come up with a minimum of $4.4 million just to cover everything from travel expenses to the additional 22 scholarships. Their budget right now ranks them 95th out of 125 other fellow FCS schools.

Amongst the other changes are increasing the seating capacity by 6,300 seats, and adding a 57,000 square foot football ops building to improve the current facilities. “We need the very best facilities so we can to do the very best job we can, and that’s why this Football Operations Center is so important for us, and that’s important for us whether we decide to move anywhere or not. Our locker room is atrocious. It’s embarrassing. It’s so embarrassing we don’t even take our recruits to show them. It’s awful, by any standard. It’s just awful. It’s rusted out. It’s dim. It’s dark. I wouldn't want to take my mother in there, that’s for sure. I think we’re doing our players a huge disservice. And that’s not our fault. We've just not had the resources to do something with that.” University President Brooks Keel explained.

I think their reaction upon discovering this thread would be what are these crazy person is talking about

(05-22-2014 03:55 PM)panama Wrote:  I think their reaction upon discovering this thread would be what are these crazy person is talking about

FloridaJag's meaningful suggestions of course!

(05-22-2014 03:55 PM)panama Wrote:  I think their reaction upon discovering this thread would be what are these crazy person is talking about

What????????????

(05-22-2014 04:05 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:55 PM)panama Wrote:  I think their reaction upon discovering this thread would be what are these crazy person is talking about

What????????????

Nobody from Valdosta State is sitting around wondering why they are not FBS

(05-22-2014 03:55 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  BRUCE - So only need to add a two in front and they're set. Or even a one if they can get some one-off contributions to get their facilities bought and paid for.

Panama - Your RIGHT!

Has VSU even done a study on what it would cost?

As the Statesboro Herald explains ...

That answers the question whether Georgia Southern had ever done a study. Its not even a parallel case, since Georgia Southern was already a Division 1 FCS school.

Can we just stop all of this crap please!!!!! We are not adding anyone according to Benson. We damn sure don't need to add EKU, Liberty, Valdosta St, Kennesaw St, Lamar or any other FCS former rival of the new schools.

There are ony two schools that can get the votes that are FCS and both said not at this time. So can we drop it?

(05-22-2014 04:32 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:55 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  BRUCE - So only need to add a two in front and they're set. Or even a one if they can get some one-off contributions to get their facilities bought and paid for.

Panama - Your RIGHT!

Has VSU even done a study on what it would cost?

As the Statesboro Herald explains ...

That answers the question whether Georgia Southern had ever done a study. Its not even a parallel case, since Georgia Southern was already a Division 1 FCS school.

I think I have just found a way to unify Ga State and Ga Southern posters. Just mention Kennesaw State and Valdosta State.

What were the athlectic budgets for Ga State and Ga Southerns prior to announcing a move to FBS? Remember Ga State did not have football.

(05-23-2014 07:42 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  What were the athletic budgets for Ga State and Ga Southerns prior to announcing a move to FBS? Remember Ga State did not have football.

Why are you asking about the athletic budget for GA Southern prior to implementing their move when its already quoted in this same thread as $12m?

And regarding GA State's move up, remember that they were already Division 1 (and had been since the 60's, that's how they were founding members of the Sunbelt), so they were only establishing a FB team, not moving their whole program up to Division 1. And bear in mind that it has over 30,000 students where Valdosta State has under 13,000. I know by sound that "thirty" and "thirteen" sound awful similar, but as numbers they aint similar at all.

(05-23-2014 11:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-23-2014 07:42 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  What were the athletic budgets for Ga State and Ga Southerns prior to announcing a move to FBS? Remember Ga State did not have football.

Why are you asking about the athletic budget for GA Southern prior to implementing their move when its already quoted in this same thread as $12m?

And regarding GA State's move up, bear in mind that it has over 30,000 students where Valdosta State has under 13,000. I know by sound that "thirty" and "thirteen" sound awful similar, but as numbers they aint similar at all.

I was not asking about enrollments. I asked what the Athlectic Budgets. Did Ga Southern double its Atlectic Budget to go to FBS? I do not think so. The title of the thread is "Potential Members".

VSU enrollment falls within SBC average before the addition of App State, Ga State, TXST and Ga Southern.

VSU has the history. If Ga State can go from no football program to FBS then it is possible Valdosta State can go from DII to FBS. Your no money argument works for UT Arlington; however, its enrollment is much greater than Ga Southern.

I believe that UTA and VSU could raise the money (4 to 5 million) easily to make the move to FBS. Yes, they will need bette facilities but so will Ga Southern. Ga Southern will be able to do it easier now because of the added exposure of being FBS.

I think VSU's athletic budget is around 4 million now. Just looking at the norm, it appears 12 to 13 million is required to be FBS/Div I.

As I stated before, if the local business interest get behind VSU, they could easily make the jump.

(05-23-2014 12:07 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-23-2014 11:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-23-2014 07:42 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  What were the athletic budgets for Ga State and Ga Southerns prior to announcing a move to FBS? Remember Ga State did not have football.

Why are you asking about the athletic budget for GA Southern prior to implementing their move when its already quoted in this same thread as $12m?

And regarding GA State's move up, bear in mind that it has over 30,000 students where Valdosta State has under 13,000. I know by sound that "thirty" and "thirteen" sound awful similar, but as numbers they aint similar at all.

I was not asking about enrollments. I asked what the Athlectic Budgets. Did Ga Southern double its Atlectic Budget to go to FBS? I do not think so. The title of the thread is "Potential Members".

VSU enrollment falls within SBC average before the addition of App State, Ga State, TXST and Ga Southern.

VSU has the history. If Ga State can go from no football program to FBS then it is possible Valdosta State can go from DII to FBS. Your no money argument works for UT Arlington; however, its enrollment is much greater than Ga Southern.

I believe that UTA and VSU could raise the money (4 to 5 million) easily to make the move to FBS. Yes, they will need bette facilities but so will Ga Southern. Ga Southern will be able to do it easier now because of the added exposure of being FBS.

I think VSU's athletic budget is around 4 million now. Just looking at the norm, it appears 12 to 13 million is required to be FBS/Div I.

As I stated before, if the local business interest get behind VSU, they could easily make the jump.

Ahem...

Quote:http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/sports...ture/print

Valdosta State athletic director Herb Reinhard made it clear that he likes the winning tradition that has been built at the Division II level, and that a move to Division I doesn’t make sense at this time.

“It is rewarding on a lot of levels,” Reinhard said, of the national championships. “If we were to go Division I, the possibility of us winning a national championship ever again is not very good. ... The national championships are special. I think they are special to Valdosta.”

Reinhard’s notion of remaining a Division II university was backed by VSU president Dr. William J. McKinney.

“At this point in time, the financial model for going to Division I doesn’t make sense to me,” McKinney said. “If you look at all of the Division I football programs, there are only a handful of them that are money makers. We are in a position here where we have a winning tradition in Division II. I have not seen where the cost benefit analysis has proven that move.”

Questions of whether Valdosta State would move to the Division I level started with fans posting to various forms of publications and social media. In the end, such a move would be based on financial numbers, said Reinhard.

Valdosta State’s annual athletic budget is $3.7 million in 2012-13, one of the highest among Division II schools. That budget would have to double if the university were to move to Division I, according to Reinhard.

“People say we would join one of two conferences — the Southern Conference, which would not be a possibility because they’ve made it pretty clear they are not interested in Division II schools, or the Atlantic Sun,” Reinhard said. “The Atlantic Sun doesn’t have football, so that would be a strange situation. But the mid-point budget in the Atlantic Sun is about $9 million, adjusted for football. So we would have to double, significantly double, our athletic budget.”

Along with an annual athletic budget increase of more than $5 million, Valdosta State would also have to apply to the NCAA in order to become a Division I program, which alone is a $1 million fee. From there, the university would need to find a new conference to compete in, and would have to endure a four-year transitional process where teams are ineligible for NCAA postseason play.

With many publicly funded universities in Georgia facing tough economic times — eight colleges and universities recently consolidated to make four new schools — the University System of Georgia Board of Regents is cracking down on schools making jumps to higher classifications for athletic purposes.

(05-23-2014 12:07 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-23-2014 11:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-23-2014 07:42 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  What were the athletic budgets for Ga State and Ga Southerns prior to announcing a move to FBS? Remember Ga State did not have football.

Why are you asking about the athletic budget for GA Southern prior to implementing their move when its already quoted in this same thread as $12m?

And regarding GA State's move up, bear in mind that it has over 30,000 students where Valdosta State has under 13,000. I know by sound that "thirty" and "thirteen" sound awful similar, but as numbers they aint similar at all.

I was not asking about enrollments. I asked what the Athlectic Budgets. Did Ga Southern double its Atlectic Budget to go to FBS? I do not think so. The title of the thread is "Potential Members".

VSU enrollment falls within SBC average before the addition of App State, Ga State, TXST and Ga Southern.

VSU has the history. If Ga State can go from no football program to FBS then it is possible Valdosta State can go from DII to FBS. Your no money argument works for UT Arlington; however, its enrollment is much greater than Ga Southern.

I believe that UTA and VSU could raise the money (4 to 5 million) easily to make the move to FBS. Yes, they will need bette facilities but so will Ga Southern. Ga Southern will be able to do it easier now because of the added exposure of being FBS.

I think VSU's athletic budget is around 4 million now. Just looking at the norm, it appears 12 to 13 million is required to be FBS/Div I.

As I stated before, if the local business interest get behind VSU, they could easily make the jump.

Several problem that I have head that VSU has and i have never been on there campus.

Campus is landed locked no where to expand. Do not own there staduim. Why should the city expand the staduim when the local high school brings in more money with there games at the staduim than VSU football games bring in.

Is one of the reasons that VSU plays games on Thursday because the local HS games are on saturday.

Need a team? Take Eastern Michigan. No strings attached. Deal?

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