Hey if you can't have a quality have quantity. The amount of bowls we have set us apart from the rest of the G5

(04-14-2014 03:02 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If my records are correct, that's 7 bowls for 11 teams in 2014, 7 for 12 teams in 2015, 8 in 2016, 7 in 2017, and 8 in 2018-2019 w/o access or back up considerations. Could these bowls impede back up opportunities that may arise with other P5 bowls...thinking along Texas Bowl lines? Meaning, would the AAC be obligated to fill these slots before being eligible for a P5 bowl w/o a secondary contract?

Yeah personally I'd have rather tried to play the backup game to try to land some better options every year instead of just signing up with bowls that pretty much no one is going to be interested in. Maybe we still have some flexibility to do that, but who knows. Just looking at our lineup there's nothing outside of the Military that I can say for sure I'd attend.

(04-14-2014 03:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I almost feel bad for the folks that get suckered into wasting their $$$ on this nonsense.

Yeah, it would really suck to visit Orlando, in the winter, where there's a bazillion things to do, while spending one of those days to go see your team play.

(04-14-2014 03:48 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

I think the issue to me is HOW the G5 worked together. The G5 conferences should have used some of the 85 million dollars available from the College Football Playoff to create 3 new bowls that would have high enough payouts to attract a top 3/4 pick from power conferences (or at least be included in the Music City/Liberty bowl pool). You would then send the top G5 to BCS bowl, the next two G5 champs would play 3/4/5 selection from some P5 conference in two of the newly created G5 owned bowls. The bottom 2 G5 champs would play against each other in the 3rd G5 owned bowl.

Instead, we worked together to create a bunch of bowls against each other. We need some of those as well, but it was FAR more important to create a small pool of bowls that would have served as appropriate showcase bowls for the G5 champs. As a group, the G5 swung and missed badly on this bowl cycle--mainly because they simply lacked any real vision.

I think an American versus Mountain West game in Texas that included a top 3 pick from each league would have been more attractive than a lot of these junk bowls. At the end of the day bowl games are just exhibition games outside of the top tier. Give me a good location, warm weather, and fun things to do when I am down there.

I agree for the most part. I do think every conference needs to have a signature showcase bowl for its champ. That special post season destination gives context to the season and gives meaning to the championship. The other thing that is important is that the lower end bowls be relatively close to the fan bases. Easy 300-600 mile travel distances result is solid G5 bowl turnouts. More than that distance, and you are in for a disappointment. Most people are not willing to pay big bucks and take off a week at the holidays for a long trip for a relatively ho-hum game. Not saying nobody will go---just saying the universe of people willing to go drops significantly.

I am not sold... I hope Houston never goes to this crappy bowl.

(04-14-2014 03:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I almost feel bad for the folks that get suckered into wasting their $$$ on this nonsense.

Yeah, it would really suck to visit Orlando, in the winter, where there's a bazillion things to do, while spending one of those days to go see your team play.

You act like it's cheap or something. There's too many bowls as is and the bottom line is this one is just another money grab, trash game.

(04-14-2014 03:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I almost feel bad for the folks that get suckered into wasting their $$$ on this nonsense.

Yeah, it would really suck to visit Orlando, in the winter, where there's a bazillion things to do, while spending one of those days to go see your team play.

If I want to visit Orlando to see ECU play I'll be able to do it every other year against you guys, in a game that will actually have some meaning and be against a quality team.

(04-14-2014 03:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I almost feel bad for the folks that get suckered into wasting their $$$ on this nonsense.

Yeah, it would really suck to visit Orlando, in the winter, where there's a bazillion things to do, while spending one of those days to go see your team play.

If I want to visit Orlando to see ECU play I'll be able to do it every other year against you guys, in a game that will actually have some meaning and be against a quality team.

It's a bowl in Orlando stop complaining. Playing Appalachian State down there could actually be fun. We have eight bowls for 12 team league plus backup deals. We didn't get the big bowls but we sure have a lot of bowls and in good locations.

(04-14-2014 03:59 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I almost feel bad for the folks that get suckered into wasting their $$$ on this nonsense.

Yeah, it would really suck to visit Orlando, in the winter, where there's a bazillion things to do, while spending one of those days to go see your team play.

If I want to visit Orlando to see ECU play I'll be able to do it every other year against you guys, in a game that will actually have some meaning and be against a quality team.

It's a bowl in Orlando stop complaining. Playing Appalachian State down there could actually be fun. We have eight bowls for 12 team league plus backup deals. We didn't get the big bowls but we sure have a lot of bowls and in good locations.

Who's complaining? I think we're just saying we're not dumb enough to waste our money or time (around the holidays) on this. I take it you've got enough $$$ to go to every bowl game ECU plays???

In 2015 we will have 4 Florida bowls versus G5 teams

St Pete vs CUSA
Miami vs CUSA
Boca vs MAC
Orlando vs Sun Belt

It's good that our lower tier bowls are in attractive destinations so that fans can have a nice Florida vacation and see a game in the same trip. But four of these games seems like a lot.

I wonder if CUSA would be interested in trading the New Orleans bowl for this Orlando bowl. They don't have any annual bowls in Florida, only rotations.

(04-14-2014 03:59 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I almost feel bad for the folks that get suckered into wasting their $$$ on this nonsense.

Yeah, it would really suck to visit Orlando, in the winter, where there's a bazillion things to do, while spending one of those days to go see your team play.

If I want to visit Orlando to see ECU play I'll be able to do it every other year against you guys, in a game that will actually have some meaning and be against a quality team.

It's a bowl in Orlando stop complaining. Playing Appalachian State down there could actually be fun. We have eight bowls for 12 team league plus backup deals. We didn't get the big bowls but we sure have a lot of bowls and in good locations.

You named the one team we could possibly play down there that would interest me in the slightest, and it still wouldn't be that interesting since we'd probably have to go 7-5 or worse to end up in that game. Like I said I'll have the option every other year to watch ECU in Orlando against a much better and more interesting opponent, so I'm much more likely to go with that. I'll probably have the same opportunity to go to Tampa every other year to watch ECU play, and the nice thing is both those trips would likely end up costing me less than a bowl trip.

I like Aresco, but the playing the Sun Belt is not good for us. Would rather not have a bowl at all. We have to separate ourselves from the rest of the G5 as much as possible. The Sun Belt definitely gets the better end of this. It's a classic no win for any teams in the AAC to play in this game.

Just saying, the more these useless bowls exist, the more fans/alumni/athletic depts are on the hook for buying up the tickets as they offload costs onto us. Then they come begging for more money around the holidays and jack up regular ticket prices gradually to cover for losses. Utter nonsense for this many bowls to exist, period.

Absolutely blows my mind how many people can't see through the charade.

I'm trying to figure how the AAC is going to be able to send a team with only 12 teams? The only answer I can see is if there are more teams being added to the AAC.

Nothing screams Bowl success like the AAC vs Sun Belt. What teams do the SBC even have outside of Arkansas State that worth a damn? We generally play ASU out of conference anyway. Whomever plays in this game will probably lose money as well.

(04-14-2014 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I'm trying to figure how the AAC is going to be able to send a team with only 12 teams? The only answer I can see is if there are more teams being added to the AAC.

Doesn't make much sense to me either...unless it was a defensive move to keep another conference out...CUSA/MAC. Realistically, these conferences may play in the bowl as much, if not more, than the AAC.

(04-14-2014 04:15 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Nothing screams Bowl success like the AAC vs Sun Belt. What teams do the SBC even have outside of Arkansas State that worth a damn? We generally play ASU out of conference anyway. Whomever plays in this game will probably lose money as well.

that's a guarantee.

I hope this is a late, late pick for us... like 7/8....

I don't see the need when we have Liberty/Indy backups

(04-14-2014 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

I'd rather not have the game, but whatever it's not like anyone can force me to attend it. Game will still get decent ratings (because all bowl games do) and I'll still gladly watch it on TV. I'm not going to fork out several hundred dollars to go to it though.

I know what you are saying but the facts are that P5 fans feel exactly that way about playing our schools in a minor bowl game. So either we as fans make our schools more attractive to bigger bowls or we will stay exactly where we are.

(04-14-2014 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I'm trying to figure how the AAC is going to be able to send a team with only 12 teams? The only answer I can see is if there are more teams being added to the AAC.

More like the shortchange B12-2... They have 10 schools and they want to send every one of their schools bowling.

On a serious note... I think you on to something, MWC Tex