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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:26 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I'm trying to figure how the AAC is going to be able to send a team with only 12 teams? The only answer I can see is if there are more teams being added to the AAC.

More like the shortchange B12-2... They have 10 schools and they want to send every one of their schools bowling.

On a serious note... I think you on to something, MWC Tex

Note: CUSA had 8 bowl eligible teams last year but they also had 14 teams in the conference.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:26 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I'm trying to figure how the AAC is going to be able to send a team with only 12 teams? The only answer I can see is if there are more teams being added to the AAC.

More like the shortchange B12-2... They have 10 schools and they want to send every one of their schools bowling.

On a serious note... I think you on to something, MWC Tex

Note: CUSA had 8 bowl eligible teams last year but they also had 14 teams in the conference.

Assuming this comes to be and no other bowls drop out, this will make 39 bowl games with a direct bid. That means 78 teams would have to be eligible. There were 78 bowl-eligible teams this past season, and there are soon to be 4-5 more FBS teams. It could happen. But I think we'll end up losing a bowl before this one gets off the ground.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
Why isn't anyone asking the important question? What are the tier arrangements? SBC Champ versus AAC #4+?
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:37 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:26 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I'm trying to figure how the AAC is going to be able to send a team with only 12 teams? The only answer I can see is if there are more teams being added to the AAC.

More like the shortchange B12-2... They have 10 schools and they want to send every one of their schools bowling.

On a serious note... I think you on to something, MWC Tex

Note: CUSA had 8 bowl eligible teams last year but they also had 14 teams in the conference.

Assuming this comes to be and no other bowls drop out, this will make 39 bowl games with a direct bid. That means 78 teams would have to be eligible. There were 78 bowl-eligible teams this past season, and there are soon to be 4-5 more FBS teams. It could happen. But I think we'll end up losing a bowl before this one gets off the ground.

If one wants to speculate, I'd say Army is rethinking the Indy thing in the playoff era. Does the AAC have a sort of informal offer to Army. I think they will increase any TV deal to offset the diluton of the playoff payout. That would mean a 14th team perhaps?

Otherwise, I can see BYU taking your AAC spot in the bowl if there are not enough teams since BYU only has 2 bowls set for the next cycle.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:15 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Nothing screams Bowl success like the AAC vs Sun Belt. What teams do the SBC even have outside of Arkansas State that worth a damn? We generally play ASU out of conference anyway. Whomever plays in this game will probably lose money as well.

The Sun Belt has some quality schools. That's not the problem. In fact, i think the SunBelt and Conf USA are basically even in terms of football right now. The problem is perception. I am guessing that this arrangement will take our last bowl team and put them against the Sun Belt Champion or number 2.
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(04-14-2014 04:26 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

I'd rather not have the game, but whatever it's not like anyone can force me to attend it. Game will still get decent ratings (because all bowl games do) and I'll still gladly watch it on TV. I'm not going to fork out several hundred dollars to go to it though.

I know what you are saying but the facts are that P5 fans feel exactly that way about playing our schools in a minor bowl game. So either we as fans make our schools more attractive to bigger bowls or we will stay exactly where we are.

DING!

Its so predictable that some of the same fans that WHINE when BCS fans complained when they are/were forced to play AAC/CUSA (even some Big East teams) in bowl games...those same people are now doing the initial whining about possibly playing a Sunbelt team in a bowl game.

So predictable.

Heck, one Sunbelt team (Louisiana Lafayette) has beaten two AAC Teams (2014) in the last 2 New Orleans Bowls (ECU and Tulane).

In some match-ups, there isn't much difference, if any, between some AAC teams and those in the Sunbelt.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
It better be against Sun Belt Champ.

8 primary bowl ties and 3 backups may be too many for a 12 team conference.

On a side note, the Miami Beach Bowl has the opportunity to select another conference (think "p5"), in lieu of the primary tie ins with Mac/Cusa/SB. I believe the American has the authority to select opponents.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:39 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Why isn't anyone asking the important question? What are the tier arrangements? SBC Champ versus AAC #4+?

Hopefully this is the case. UL-L has actually been pretty good lately. That would be a decent matchup.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:45 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:26 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

I'd rather not have the game, but whatever it's not like anyone can force me to attend it. Game will still get decent ratings (because all bowl games do) and I'll still gladly watch it on TV. I'm not going to fork out several hundred dollars to go to it though.

I know what you are saying but the facts are that P5 fans feel exactly that way about playing our schools in a minor bowl game. So either we as fans make our schools more attractive to bigger bowls or we will stay exactly where we are.

DING!

Its so predictable that some of the same fans that WHINE when BCS fans complained when they are/were forced to play AAC/CUSA (even some Big East teams) in bowl games...those same people are now doing the initial whining about possibly playing a Sunbelt team in a bowl game.

So predictable.

Heck, one Sunbelt team (Louisiana Lafayette) has beaten two AAC Teams (2014) in the last 2 New Orleans Bowls (ECU and Tulane).

In some match-ups, there isn't much difference, if any, between some AAC teams and those in the Sunbelt.

When it comes to low end bowls---its kind of a given you are not going to play anyone exciting. So, your looking for games in nice places that are close to your schools. My only issue with this bowl ---Its yet another east coast bowl. Buy a globe Aresco. The world doesn't end at the first map fold beyond the east coast.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:39 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Why isn't anyone asking the important question? What are the tier arrangements? SBC Champ versus AAC #4+?

My understanding is that there aren't any tiers to provide flexibility. This includes the secondary contracts. My question is does a 7th-8th contracted spot hinder the AAC in an at large P5 bowl opening during any given year?
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:45 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:26 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

I'd rather not have the game, but whatever it's not like anyone can force me to attend it. Game will still get decent ratings (because all bowl games do) and I'll still gladly watch it on TV. I'm not going to fork out several hundred dollars to go to it though.

I know what you are saying but the facts are that P5 fans feel exactly that way about playing our schools in a minor bowl game. So either we as fans make our schools more attractive to bigger bowls or we will stay exactly where we are.

DING!

Its so predictable that some of the same fans that WHINE when BCS fans complained when they are/were forced to play AAC/CUSA (even some Big East teams) in bowl games...those same people are now doing the initial whining about possibly playing a Sunbelt team in a bowl game.

So predictable.

Heck, one Sunbelt team (Louisiana Lafayette) has beaten two AAC Teams (2014) in the last 2 New Orleans Bowls (ECU and Tulane).

In some match-ups, there isn't much difference, if any, between some AAC teams and those in the Sunbelt.

You're right, but you can't blame fans for wanting to play the best possible opponents. UL-L, Ark St, etc. may be good opponents, but the problem is, most casual fans have never heard of them, unlike random SEC/ACC team.
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(04-14-2014 04:46 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It better be against Sun Belt Champ.

8 primary bowl ties and 3 backups may be too many for a 12 team conference.

On a side note, the Miami Beach Bowl has the opportunity to select another conference (think "p5"), in lieu of the primary tie ins with Mac/Cusa/SB. I believe the American has the authority to select opponents.

While true, I don't think the P5 will ever be able to get there. They each have too many bowl ties as it stands. The likelihood of a P5 team being without a bowl and having to slum it at Marlins Park is rather slim IMHO. Besides, even if they could, it would only be a 6-6 team. It wouldn't be a marquee matchup by any stretch of the imagination.
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(04-14-2014 04:55 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:46 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It better be against Sun Belt Champ.

8 primary bowl ties and 3 backups may be too many for a 12 team conference.

On a side note, the Miami Beach Bowl has the opportunity to select another conference (think "p5"), in lieu of the primary tie ins with Mac/Cusa/SB. I believe the American has the authority to select opponents.

While true, I don't think the P5 will ever be able to get there. They each have too many bowl ties as it stands. The likelihood of a P5 team being without a bowl and having to slum it at Marlins Park is rather slim IMHO. Besides, even if they could, it would only be a 6-6 team. It wouldn't be a marquee matchup by any stretch of the imagination.

It beats a 6-6/7-5 SB/Mac/Cusa opponent. I think you'll see a P5 opponent here more than some people realize. Not all conferences oversigned. How many tie ins does the pac have.
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(04-14-2014 02:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Nice town...we really couldn't get a Sunbelt Bowl within 1000 miles of the western schools? We now have 6 bowl ties on (or just off) the east coast. I think the eastern division is set for bowls.....enough already.
Hey, I'm shocked it took 14 posts for you to chime in. 04-cheers

I'm thinking the answer is that nobody created another bowl farther west that we could land.

And, they have airplanes that fly from Dallas and Houston and Tulsa, all the way to the east coast, last time I checked.

But, mainly, this new bowl apparently gives everyone in here who likes to b!tch about our bowl games a fresh chance to b!tch, lol.
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(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

Well, seriously, what's the big deal? Separate yourselves by curb stomping C-USA, Sun Belt, MAC, etc.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
American Athletic Conference Bowl Lineup - 2014-19

2014 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Army/Big 12
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. MAC
Orlando Bowl vs. Sun Belt

2015 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. MAC
Orlando Bowl vs. Sun Belt

2016 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. MAC
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Big 12
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau Bahamas – vs. MAC
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Orlando Bowl vs. Sun Belt

2017 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Sun Belt
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Orlando Bowl vs. Sun Belt

2018 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – ACC
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. MAC
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Big 12
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. Conference USA
R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, New Orleans, La. – vs. Sun Belt
Orlando Bowl vs. Sun Belt

2019 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Sun Belt
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. MAC
R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, New Orleans, La. – vs. Conference USA
Orlando Bowl vs. Sun Belt

Backups:
Liberty Bowl
Independence Bowl
Poinsettia Bowl
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:54 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:39 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Why isn't anyone asking the important question? What are the tier arrangements? SBC Champ versus AAC #4+?

My understanding is that there aren't any tiers to provide flexibility. This includes the secondary contracts. My question is does a 7th-8th contracted spot hinder the AAC in an at large P5 bowl opening during any given year?

This is correct. If there are any openings, though, I would think the Liberty and Independence would be filled first, but it would also mean that likely the St. Pete and/or Birmingham bowls wouldn't have the P5 representations either. I don't think there would be much opportunity beyond the Liberty/Independence to fill at-large P5 spots elsewhere. I would also think that would mean the American would end up defaulting on some of their own primary tie-ins.
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Well, Aresco got us a lot of bowls. Question is, does anyone actually care about any of these bowls.

If we send a team to the CFP/Access bowl every year, we will have 9 primary tie ins most years. Think about that.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:45 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:26 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

I'd rather not have the game, but whatever it's not like anyone can force me to attend it. Game will still get decent ratings (because all bowl games do) and I'll still gladly watch it on TV. I'm not going to fork out several hundred dollars to go to it though.

I know what you are saying but the facts are that P5 fans feel exactly that way about playing our schools in a minor bowl game. So either we as fans make our schools more attractive to bigger bowls or we will stay exactly where we are.

DING!

Its so predictable that some of the same fans that WHINE when BCS fans complained when they are/were forced to play AAC/CUSA (even some Big East teams) in bowl games...those same people are now doing the initial whining about possibly playing a Sunbelt team in a bowl game.

So predictable.

Heck, one Sunbelt team (Louisiana Lafayette) has beaten two AAC Teams (2014) in the last 2 New Orleans Bowls (ECU and Tulane).

In some match-ups, there isn't much difference, if any, between some AAC teams and those in the Sunbelt.

I'm not really whining because I expect that we could or should get better bowls than this. Long ago it was determined we wouldn't. My only point is I'm not spending my money to watch something that isn't compelling to me. That's not saying that just because it's the Sun-Belt it's automatically not compelling, but the only team in that league that personally means anything to me is App. The rest I just don't have any opinion of. Like just me personally I'd be more interested in a match up between ECU-App than say ECU-Indiania, but the rest of the Sun-Belt I honestly couldn't care less about ever seeing ECU play. There are other ECU-G5 bowl match ups I'd be interested in, like Charlotte, ODU, Marshall, USM, basically the schools that are either in our region/we have some history with. G5 schools outside the area that we don't play aren't compelling and aren't worth my money or time. I can use the same money I'd spend on a uninteresting bowl game and go to an AAC road game, which are almost all in destinations I'd like to visit. That's going to likely be what I do going forward. I'll probably try to make at least 1 AAC road game a year in place of the bowl, and then if we made the Military or Access Bowl I'd attend those.
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RE: New bowl game for the American
(04-14-2014 04:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:55 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 04:46 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It better be against Sun Belt Champ.

8 primary bowl ties and 3 backups may be too many for a 12 team conference.

On a side note, the Miami Beach Bowl has the opportunity to select another conference (think "p5"), in lieu of the primary tie ins with Mac/Cusa/SB. I believe the American has the authority to select opponents.

While true, I don't think the P5 will ever be able to get there. They each have too many bowl ties as it stands. The likelihood of a P5 team being without a bowl and having to slum it at Marlins Park is rather slim IMHO. Besides, even if they could, it would only be a 6-6 team. It wouldn't be a marquee matchup by any stretch of the imagination.

It beats a 6-6/7-5 SB/Mac/Cusa opponent. I think you'll see a P5 opponent here more than some people realize. Not all conferences oversigned. How many tie ins does the pac have.

Way back when, I tried forecasting P5 bowl opponents via a spreadsheet. Before I went down the rabbit hole, the PAC seemed most likely based on eligibility, and the Big 12 based on contracts. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I know the PAC entertained the idea of partnering with the Miami Bowl at one point. Maybe they decided to play the backup/numbers game as well?
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