(02-18-2013 10:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  There are a lot of strange rumors going around about who will get invited to the league and how many will join the C7.

Lets just agree right off the bat that with what we are hearing 10 is not an option. It's 12 or 14 and that is from multiple sources.

Okay we all know who the shoe in's are. Butler and Xavier. No need to rehash them. I don't even think Stever can disagree with me on this one.

Next we have the ones listed by many sources but all have some flaws. Not a lot but not the slam dunks as the first 2, but still considered by many as near definite. St. Louis and Creighton.

Then we have those who could very well end up in if we go to 14 and on the verge of being left out if we go to 12. Dayton, VCU, Richmond.

We have one that would be a slam dunk but has one big problem and really only have a shot with the more we invite. Gonzaga.

We have a few who would be good add's but have more flaws or blemishes than those above them and hence less likely of an invite. Wichita St, St. Mary's, any FBS school (UConn, Cincy, Memphis, BYU, UMass).

Now we have the "WTF?" names that have been thrown out. Detroit, Siena, Fordham, Duqsene (sp?), Holy Cross.

Does everyone agree with this list? Anyone have ideas of their own?

The math doesn't add up.

C7 + Butler, Dayton = 9

9 + Louis, Creighton = 11

So, why are Dayton, VCU, Richmond on the verge of being left out if the C7 goes to 12? One of them has to be in. Pick one.

(02-19-2013 12:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It's not just mens basketball. It's everything. That adds up.

Really? How many times does travelling to Omaha going to come up? Are any of these BE7 schools on the east coast going to be busing teams to SLU, Depaul or Marquette? An extra 200 miles in a plane takes like 30 minutes...

(02-18-2013 11:15 PM)Title Wrote:  Take this completely for what it worth. I got this second hand this evening, so you know how that goes. But to tell you the truth, this particular person has never steered me wrong in the few times he's said something to me. In fact, last time, he told me a full week before the public was informed about an injury.

I was told: Butler, Xavier, SLU, Dayton, and Richmond. Public after Final Four.

Again, completely FWIW

Wouldn't shock me at all. I personally would take Creighton over Richmond or Dayton if I were running things, but this at least passes the smell test.

(02-18-2013 11:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:15 PM)Title Wrote:  Take this completely for what it worth. I got this second hand this evening, so you know how that goes. But to tell you the truth, this particular person has never steered me wrong in the few times he's said something to me. In fact, last time, he told me a full week before the public was informed about an injury.

I was told: Butler, Xavier, SLU, Dayton, and Richmond. Public after Final Four.

Again, completely FWIW

The problem I see with this is doing it after the final four. I mean, let's say Creighton with their great player gets on a run and makes the final four. Or Gonzaga or VCU? It to me would give us bad press to announce addition of teams after the final four, when very viable team is in our reach and we don't add them and they just made the final 4.

I don't think the Final Four in and of itself is the deadline. There are so many things that need to get taken care of before there are official invites (most importantly, the actual formation of a new conference and what it's going to be called) that the likelihood of all of that being completed prior to the Final Four is low.

Why are people still bringing up travel for non revenue sports to Omaha as an issue? They go to Florida now and will go to Texas next year. You dont play EVERY team in your conference in team sports like softball,volleyball and soccer. Providence played at Creighton in men's soccer last year. They can do it again every other year if called for. Omaha is not the end of the earth

(02-19-2013 06:15 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 10:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  There are a lot of strange rumors going around about who will get invited to the league and how many will join the C7.

Lets just agree right off the bat that with what we are hearing 10 is not an option. It's 12 or 14 and that is from multiple sources.

Okay we all know who the shoe in's are. Butler and Xavier. No need to rehash them. I don't even think Stever can disagree with me on this one.

Next we have the ones listed by many sources but all have some flaws. Not a lot but not the slam dunks as the first 2, but still considered by many as near definite. St. Louis and Creighton.

Then we have those who could very well end up in if we go to 14 and on the verge of being left out if we go to 12. Dayton, VCU, Richmond.

We have one that would be a slam dunk but has one big problem and really only have a shot with the more we invite. Gonzaga.

We have a few who would be good add's but have more flaws or blemishes than those above them and hence less likely of an invite. Wichita St, St. Mary's, any FBS school (UConn, Cincy, Memphis, BYU, UMass).

Now we have the "WTF?" names that have been thrown out. Detroit, Siena, Fordham, Duqsene (sp?), Holy Cross.

Does everyone agree with this list? Anyone have ideas of their own?

The math doesn't add up.

C7 + Butler, Dayton = 9

9 + Louis, Creighton = 11

So, why are Dayton, VCU, Richmond on the verge of being left out if the C7 goes to 12? One of them has to be in. Pick one.

The point wasn't to pick who was getting in. Just putting each candidate into categories. I wasn't setting out to pick the teams who will be invited.

(02-19-2013 09:33 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Why are people still bringing up travel for non revenue sports to Omaha as an issue? They go to Florida now and will go to Texas next year. You dont play EVERY team in your conference in team sports like softball,volleyball and soccer. Providence played at Creighton in men's soccer last year. They can do it again every other year if called for. Omaha is not the end of the earth

why do you act like the schools might not want to improve their travel situation?

just looking- in volleyball you do play everyone. Soccer looks like divisional setup. Softball same as Soccer but with no divisions.

(02-19-2013 09:40 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 06:15 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 10:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  There are a lot of strange rumors going around about who will get invited to the league and how many will join the C7.

Lets just agree right off the bat that with what we are hearing 10 is not an option. It's 12 or 14 and that is from multiple sources.

Okay we all know who the shoe in's are. Butler and Xavier. No need to rehash them. I don't even think Stever can disagree with me on this one.

Next we have the ones listed by many sources but all have some flaws. Not a lot but not the slam dunks as the first 2, but still considered by many as near definite. St. Louis and Creighton.

Then we have those who could very well end up in if we go to 14 and on the verge of being left out if we go to 12. Dayton, VCU, Richmond.

We have one that would be a slam dunk but has one big problem and really only have a shot with the more we invite. Gonzaga.

We have a few who would be good add's but have more flaws or blemishes than those above them and hence less likely of an invite. Wichita St, St. Mary's, any FBS school (UConn, Cincy, Memphis, BYU, UMass).

Now we have the "WTF?" names that have been thrown out. Detroit, Siena, Fordham, Duqsene (sp?), Holy Cross.

Does everyone agree with this list? Anyone have ideas of their own?

The math doesn't add up.

C7 + Butler, Dayton = 9

9 + Louis, Creighton = 11

So, why are Dayton, VCU, Richmond on the verge of being left out if the C7 goes to 12? One of them has to be in. Pick one.

The point wasn't to pick who was getting in. Just putting each candidate into categories. I wasn't setting out to pick the teams who will be invited.

Okay. I get it. Thanks.

(02-18-2013 11:15 PM)Title Wrote:  Take this completely for what it worth. I got this second hand this evening, so you know how that goes. But to tell you the truth, this particular person has never steered me wrong in the few times he's said something to me. In fact, last time, he told me a full week before the public was informed about an injury.

I was told: Butler, Xavier, SLU, Dayton, and Richmond. Public after Final Four.

Again, completely FWIW

If this happened it would totally understandable, but not a top basketball conference. Having one or two of Dayton, Saint Louis, and Richmond isn't a problem, but the combination would make a conference with 3-4 decent teams and way too many questionable ones. I don't see enough difference between that and the A-10, nBE, or MWC, and it is possible one of the last two would actually end up stronger.

(02-19-2013 11:50 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:15 PM)Title Wrote:  Take this completely for what it worth. I got this second hand this evening, so you know how that goes. But to tell you the truth, this particular person has never steered me wrong in the few times he's said something to me. In fact, last time, he told me a full week before the public was informed about an injury.

I was told: Butler, Xavier, SLU, Dayton, and Richmond. Public after Final Four.

Again, completely FWIW

If this happened it would totally understandable, but not a top basketball conference. Having one or two of Dayton, Saint Louis, and Richmond isn't a problem, but the combination would make a conference with 3-4 decent teams and way too many questionable ones. I don't see enough difference between that and the A-10, nBE, or MWC, and it is possible one of the last two would actually end up stronger.

Yeah, not buying it. On top of your point, why would Fox force the C7 to go from 10 to 12 and then turn around and accept SLU+UR? Whether you look at it from an inventory or an eyeballs perspective, that doesn't really make a lot of sense.

There's nothing to "buy". I said take it for what its worth. (though its been a good source up to this point) Its the group that makes the most sense so it doesn't exactly take much of a leap of faith to believe.

I personally believe that it'll end up this way, without variance. I suppose I could see some scenario with Creighton replacing someone (Id imagine Dayton), but that's about it.

(02-18-2013 11:15 PM)Title Wrote:  Take this completely for what it worth. I got this second hand this evening, so you know how that goes. But to tell you the truth, this particular person has never steered me wrong in the few times he's said something to me. In fact, last time, he told me a full week before the public was informed about an injury.

I was told: Butler, Xavier, SLU, Dayton, and Richmond. Public after Final Four.

Again, completely FWIW

It would be very foolish for them to go with this list. Combining this list with the thread on attendance, they are exchanging the flooding (attendance in parentheses):

VCU (7700) for Richmond (6000) in the Virginia market
Creighton (17,000) for St. Louis (7200) in the Midwest

What's the gain for the C7? The difference between Richmond's attendance & VCU's isn't huge (28%) but Richmond's potential is limited by an enrollment of 3,000 vs VCU's enrollment of 30,000.

The difference between Creighton & St. Louis speaks for itself in the Midwest market. Creighton's attendance would be the highest in the new C7+ conference.

(02-19-2013 01:11 PM)Title Wrote:  There's nothing to "buy". I said take it for what its worth. (though its been a good source up to this point) Its the group that makes the most sense so it doesn't exactly take much of a leap of faith to believe.

I personally believe that it'll end up this way, without variance. I suppose I could see some scenario with Creighton replacing someone (Id imagine Dayton), but that's about it.

Come on bud, lighten up. It's a figure of speech. Thanks for sharing what you heard. I was only giving my take on it.

While these 5 may make the most sense to you and your source, but at a very basic level they don't make a lot of sense (let alone "the most sense") for Fox. Twisting arms to get from 10 to 12 was about one thing: maximizing viewers per dollar paid. Why bother dictating quantity if they're going to ignore quality?

It also doesn't make a lot of sense for the C7 from a basketball perspective. If you can't get Gonzaga, are you really going to leave Creighton AND VCU out for Dayton+SLU+UR?

I can see "institutional fit" mattering, but not over TV viewership AND basketball. That doesn't make sense.

5100?

Where the heck did you get that number? lol

ST Louis is in and VCU is out. I would bet most anything on that.

Now Creighton on the other hand, I could def see them in as well.

Rumors are rumors. You can go on the Providence board right now and someone there who sounds pretty confident is saying Butler and Xavier are already in, Creighton is well thought of, SLU is "on the bubble" and Dayton is lobbying hard. Says Richmond is NOT on the list and Sienna and Detroit being mentioned is a joke.

(02-19-2013 01:40 PM)Billikens88 Wrote:  5100?

Where the heck did you get that number? lol

ST Louis is in and VCU is out. I would bet most anything on that.

Now Creighton on the other hand, I could def see them in as well.

Sorry, my error. I've corrected it. It should be 7200.

With no NBA team in town and with the University of Missouri 125 miles away, I'm surprised that the Billikens don't draw better than that. Are they limited by the capacity of an on campus arena?

(02-19-2013 01:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 01:40 PM)Billikens88 Wrote:  5100?

Where the heck did you get that number? lol

ST Louis is in and VCU is out. I would bet most anything on that.

Now Creighton on the other hand, I could def see them in as well.

Sorry, my error. I've corrected it. It should be 7200.

With no NBA team in town and with the University of Missouri 125 miles away, I'm surprised that the Billikens don't draw better than that. Are they limited by the capacity of an on campus arena?

Nope, their arena holds 10,000....

(02-19-2013 01:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 01:40 PM)Billikens88 Wrote:  5100?

Where the heck did you get that number? lol

ST Louis is in and VCU is out. I would bet most anything on that.

Now Creighton on the other hand, I could def see them in as well.

Sorry, my error. I've corrected it. It should be 7200.

With no NBA team in town and with the University of Missouri 125 miles away, I'm surprised that the Billikens don't draw better than that. Are they limited by the capacity of an on campus arena?

No. And it's not limited to attendance:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/s...655d4.html

(02-19-2013 01:55 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 01:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 01:40 PM)Billikens88 Wrote:  5100?

Where the heck did you get that number? lol

ST Louis is in and VCU is out. I would bet most anything on that.

Now Creighton on the other hand, I could def see them in as well.

Sorry, my error. I've corrected it. It should be 7200.

With no NBA team in town and with the University of Missouri 125 miles away, I'm surprised that the Billikens don't draw better than that. Are they limited by the capacity of an on campus arena?

No. And it's not limited to attendance:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/s...655d4.html

I'll be watching tonight when VCU vs SLU is on ESPN.

No Creighton would be stupid.

Just make it Xavier, Butler, SLU, Creighton, and Dayton. It;s what everyone was thinking right when this was announced anyway. We've talked ourselves in circles to make this more complicated than it really is.