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RE: Big East football just died today. May it RIP. FSU to B12.
(05-20-2012 04:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys want the Big East to lose 2 members. That just means another 2 from the C-USA or MWC will get the invite. It works out well if you're one of the 2 though.

The Big East still has the following teams as at least potential members...

BYU
Air Force
Fresno State
ECU

At what point does the Big East just gives up the fight and realize who they really are? ESPN, NBC, CBS, TNT, PBS, or whoever ain't going to give the BE a chitload of money because the conference has teams in huge TV markets.

You gotta have a proven product to elicit the interest of people watching TV and of all the teams the BE recently added, the only two schools that bring something to the TV folks are Boise St (football) and Memphis (basketball).

The BE has got to hold on to UConn, Rutgers, UL, and the non-football members or otherwise the conference has a Big East frame with CUSA parts and any sensible TV or marketing person will see right through that.

The banishment of AQ status will eventually be the undoing of the BE as far as making huge amounts of money.
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(05-20-2012 02:48 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  Even if true, the Big East will be fine. It might look a lot like CUSA 1.5 but it will be fine.

Agree. The ACC and Big East, if this happens, will just form a sort of "middle class" in college football. We'll still be slumming it.
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RE: Big East football just died today. May it RIP. FSU to B12.
(05-20-2012 03:11 PM)Wavebacker Wrote:  FSU and Clemson to the Big XII.

Rutgers and UCONN to the ACC

The Big East Basketball schools keep the name "Big East"

The Football schools return to their respective leagues: Welcome Back SMU, Houston, Memphis and UCF.

The SEC adds Va. Tech and NC State

The ACC adds Tulane and Rice

C-USA East is now:
East Carolina
Marshall
UAB
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
FIU
ODU
Charlotte

C-USA West is
USM
Tulsa
La. Tech
Memphis
SMU
North Texas
Houston
UTSA
UTEP

There you have it ! ~

I dont think the whole Big East is going to blow up---but if you are correct. Thats not how it would work out.

With respect to Houston and SMU, CUSA has moved on. CUSA already has the Houston (Rice) and Dallas (N Texas) markets. CUSA is already at 14 members. No way they go to 18 with UCF, USF, Houston, and SMU---the pie will be cut way too many ways. Houston and SMU to CUSA no longer makes sense. CUSA likley will take UCF and USF to get to 16.

Given its need for markets and given that CUSA has locked the Mountain West out of Texas, SMU and Houston to the Mountain West is much more likley. I cant see CUSA needing 6 Texas teams.
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RE: Big East football just died today. May it RIP. FSU to B12.
(05-20-2012 05:38 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(05-20-2012 04:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys want the Big East to lose 2 members. That just means another 2 from the C-USA or MWC will get the invite. It works out well if you're one of the 2 though.

The Big East still has the following teams as at least potential members...

BYU
Air Force
Fresno State
ECU

Why would we want to see that ??? Easy....it makes the midget on midget battle between the Big East, CUSA and MWC more entertaining to watch. Right now the Big East is like a midget with a gun and CUSA and MWC are midgets with a switchblade. Big East loses a few more schools and it is officially a midget knife fight between three conferences.

That click you heard was the TV remote switching to the Big-12 game.
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(05-20-2012 08:20 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(05-20-2012 05:38 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(05-20-2012 04:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys want the Big East to lose 2 members. That just means another 2 from the C-USA or MWC will get the invite. It works out well if you're one of the 2 though.

The Big East still has the following teams as at least potential members...

BYU
Air Force
Fresno State
ECU

Why would we want to see that ??? Easy....it makes the midget on midget battle between the Big East, CUSA and MWC more entertaining to watch. Right now the Big East is like a midget with a gun and CUSA and MWC are midgets with a switchblade. Big East loses a few more schools and it is officially a midget knife fight between three conferences.

That click you heard was the TV remote switching to the Big-12 game.

Agree. We can only be so lucky to have the Big East misfire and try the national conference thing with C-USA and MWC programs. There's just no identity to a conference that stretches from Philadelphia to Orlando to San Diego to Boise.
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(05-20-2012 03:11 PM)Wavebacker Wrote:  FSU and Clemson to the Big XII.

Rutgers and UCONN to the ACC

The Big East Basketball schools keep the name "Big East"

The Football schools return to their respective leagues: Welcome Back SMU, Houston, Memphis and UCF.

The SEC adds Va. Tech and NC State

The ACC adds Tulane and Rice

C-USA East is now:
East Carolina
Marshall
UAB
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
FIU
ODU
Charlotte

C-USA West is
USM
Tulsa
La. Tech
Memphis
SMU
North Texas
Houston
UTSA
UTEP

There you have it ! ~

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RE: Big East football just died today. May it RIP. FSU to B12.
(05-20-2012 04:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys want the Big East to lose 2 members. That just means another 2 from the C-USA or MWC will get the invite. It works out well if you're one of the 2 though.

The Big East still has the following teams as at least potential members...

BYU
Air Force
Fresno State
ECU

The BE will be lucky to keep Boise and SDSU, because the value of being in the BE is quickly diminishing with the immediate (or future) exits of LVille, UConn, Rutgers, etc.... The TV deal argument will no longer hold because the networks are not going to pay former BE value for a different version of CUSA.

It's crazy to think (like some do), that the BE will gut out the ACC. Sh!t rolls downhill.

If they lose those Boise and SDSU, the BE will concentrate itself on an Eastern footprint (USM, ECU, etc.). SDSU, Boise, UTEP, Tulsa, Rice, and others will concentrate on the West.

Same schools, just sliced up, and grouped differently.
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Quote:Louisville?

Like there's anyone left willing to deal with them.
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I didn't want to create another thread, so I am going to reuse this one since it is pretty much dead.

I love everydayshouldbesaturday.com, and this article is one of the first true analysis piece they've wrote. And it is pretty good.

HOW THE BIG EAST DIED AND WAS DEAD ALL ALONG
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I guess you guys don't follow Twitter nor the fact that Fox+NBC made a presentation at the Big East Meetings today.

ESPN starts the negotiations September 1st. If no agreement, Big East goes to Fox/NBC.


Dodds has said no to expanding. That is all you need to know.

Also, FSU will not leave the ACC. Why? Because ESPN will say so.
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And now page 2 of "Tallgrass hates the Big East".
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(05-20-2012 10:05 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  
(05-20-2012 04:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys want the Big East to lose 2 members. That just means another 2 from the C-USA or MWC will get the invite. It works out well if you're one of the 2 though.

The Big East still has the following teams as at least potential members...

BYU
Air Force
Fresno State
ECU

The BE will be lucky to keep Boise and SDSU, because the value of being in the BE is quickly diminishing with the immediate (or future) exits of LVille, UConn, Rutgers, etc.... The TV deal argument will no longer hold because the networks are not going to pay former BE value for a different version of CUSA.

It's crazy to think (like some do), that the BE will gut out the ACC. Sh!t rolls downhill.

If they lose those Boise and SDSU, the BE will concentrate itself on an Eastern footprint (USM, ECU, etc.). SDSU, Boise, UTEP, Tulsa, Rice, and others will concentrate on the West.

Same schools, just sliced up, and grouped differently.

By Brian Murphy
bmurphy@idahostatesman.com

Boise State Athletic Director Mark Coyle addressed the media at the Big East meetings in Ponte Vedra, Fla., about conference realignment.

(Note: I am not attending the meetings, but got the Coyle quotes from a media member that was there.)

Here is what Coyle had to say:

• On the Broncos' commitment to the Big East: "Nothing’s changed. We’re here at the conference meetings. It’s great to learn a great deal about the conference and the direction and all that."

• On the placement of Boise State's other sports: "We continue to explore all options. We’ve got ... 19 sports, we want to make sure we find a good home for all our sports and we continue to examine all of our options and continue to gather information in the changing landscape."

• On the future of the WAC: "We still have conversations with them. We’re trying to gather information. It’s changing for everybody. We’re in a unique spot because of the WAC and what they’ve gone through with some of the transformation they’ve had. We continue to talk with everybody and try
to find the best long-term decision for our institution."

• On why the Big East is the best home for the football program: "When that decision was made five months ago, it gave our program an opportunity on a national level with our institution and what we’re trying to do. We feel comfortable with that."

• On whether Boise State has had conversations with the Mountain West about staying?: "No. I attended MWC meetings a few weeks ago. We’re in that transitional year. Again, we want to continue to evaluate the landscape and make the best long-term decision for our program."

• On whether BCS automatic-qualification status played into Boise State's decision to join the Big East: "No, not at all. When the decision was made, that was part of the thought process, that the AQ would go away, so that was not part of the process when we made that decision."

Read more here: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/05...rylink=cpy
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FSU and Clemson to Big 12
VA Tech and NC State to SEC
UConn, Louisville, Rutgers and Notre Dame to ACC

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(05-20-2012 09:17 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(05-20-2012 03:11 PM)Wavebacker Wrote:  FSU and Clemson to the Big XII.

Rutgers and UCONN to the ACC

The Big East Basketball schools keep the name "Big East"

The Football schools return to their respective leagues: Welcome Back SMU, Houston, Memphis and UCF.

The SEC adds Va. Tech and NC State

The ACC adds Tulane and Rice

C-USA East is now:
East Carolina
Marshall
UAB
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
FIU
ODU
Charlotte

C-USA West is
USM
Tulsa
La. Tech
Memphis
SMU
North Texas
Houston
UTSA
UTEP

There you have it ! ~

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(05-21-2012 03:25 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  I guess you guys don't follow Twitter nor the fact that Fox+NBC made a presentation at the Big East Meetings today.

ESPN starts the negotiations September 1st. If no agreement, Big East goes to Fox/NBC.


Dodds has said no to expanding. That is all you need to know.

Also, FSU will not leave the ACC. Why? Because ESPN will say so.

No one said the Little East wouldn't get a TV deal, what's been said is that it won't be near the size as the last Little East Deal.

Your post means nothing without any numbers.
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(05-20-2012 07:57 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  
(05-20-2012 03:11 PM)Wavebacker Wrote:  FSU and Clemson to the Big XII.

Rutgers and UCONN to the ACC

The Big East Basketball schools keep the name "Big East"

The Football schools return to their respective leagues: Welcome Back SMU, Houston, Memphis and UCF.

The SEC adds Va. Tech and NC State

The ACC adds Tulane and Rice

C-USA East is now:
East Carolina
Marshall
UAB
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
FIU
ODU
Charlotte

C-USA West is
USM
Tulsa
La. Tech
Memphis
SMU
North Texas
Houston
UTSA
UTEP

There you have it ! ~

I dont think the whole Big East is going to blow up---but if you are correct. Thats not how it would work out.

With respect to Houston and SMU, CUSA has moved on. CUSA already has the Houston (Rice) and Dallas (N Texas) markets. CUSA is already at 14 members. No way they go to 18 with UCF, USF, Houston, and SMU---the pie will be cut way too many ways. Houston and SMU to CUSA no longer makes sense. CUSA likley will take UCF and USF to get to 16.

Given its need for markets and given that CUSA has locked the Mountain West out of Texas, SMU and Houston to the Mountain West is much more likley. I cant see CUSA needing 6 Texas teams.

You're right. Houston and SMU would fit just right in the MWC.
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(05-21-2012 03:32 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 03:25 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  I guess you guys don't follow Twitter nor the fact that Fox+NBC made a presentation at the Big East Meetings today.

ESPN starts the negotiations September 1st. If no agreement, Big East goes to Fox/NBC.


Dodds has said no to expanding. That is all you need to know.

Also, FSU will not leave the ACC. Why? Because ESPN will say so.

No one said the Little East wouldn't get a TV deal, what's been said is that it won't be near the size as the last Little East Deal.

Your post means nothing without any numbers.

yes, and CUSA will get such an AMAZING deal! 03-lmfao
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(05-21-2012 03:32 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 03:25 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  I guess you guys don't follow Twitter nor the fact that Fox+NBC made a presentation at the Big East Meetings today.

ESPN starts the negotiations September 1st. If no agreement, Big East goes to Fox/NBC.


Dodds has said no to expanding. That is all you need to know.

Also, FSU will not leave the ACC. Why? Because ESPN will say so.

No one said the Little East wouldn't get a TV deal, what's been said is that it won't be near the size as the last Little East Deal.

Your post means nothing without any numbers.

What numbers do you want? Because I can give them to you.
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(05-21-2012 03:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 03:32 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 03:25 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  I guess you guys don't follow Twitter nor the fact that Fox+NBC made a presentation at the Big East Meetings today.

ESPN starts the negotiations September 1st. If no agreement, Big East goes to Fox/NBC.


Dodds has said no to expanding. That is all you need to know.

Also, FSU will not leave the ACC. Why? Because ESPN will say so.

No one said the Little East wouldn't get a TV deal, what's been said is that it won't be near the size as the last Little East Deal.

Your post means nothing without any numbers.

yes, and CUSA will get such an AMAZING deal! 03-lmfao

Our members aren't under the delusion that we're going to approach ACC numbers with our TV deal, but yours are. You're going to be slightly higher than C-USA, but not enough to distinguish you from us.
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Truth is if it's not the Big 4 it doesn't matter. All the rest of us are playing for cracker jack prizes. The BE and ACC just have a little more money but will never be able to get the big one now in football.
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