Africa is, and it looks like always WILL be, a shithole. Sorry, it is what it is. All black people in this country need to stop bitching about slavery about now. If not, Delta, well, it won't be ready when you are, but it'll be ready eventually.

Africa has more resources than most continents on this planet. No f'n WAY should it still be a f'n shithole.

(02-17-2010 12:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you guys like the Bald Eagle? If so, you ban DDT.

Bald eagles were reportedly threatened with extinction in 1921 -- 25 years before widespread use of DDT.
[Van Name, WG. 1921. Ecology 2:76]

Alaska paid over $100,000 in bounties for 115,000 bald eagles between 1917 and 1942.
[Anon. Science News Letter, July 3, 1943]

The bald eagle had vanished from New England by 1937.
[Bent, AC. 1937. Raptorial Birds of America. US National Museum Bull 167:321-349]

After 15 years of heavy and widespread usage of DDT, Audubon Society ornithologists counted 25 percent more eagles per observer in 1960 than during the pre-DDT 1941 bird census.
[Marvin, PH. 1964 Birds on the rise. Bull Entomol Soc Amer 10(3):184-186; Wurster, CF. 1969 Congressional Record S4599, May 5, 1969; Anon. 1942. The 42nd Annual Christmas Bird Census. Audubon Magazine 44:1-75 (Jan/Feb 1942; Cruickshank, AD (Editor). 1961. The 61st Annual Christmas Bird Census. Audubon Field Notes 15(2):84-300; White-Stevens, R.. 1972. Statistical analyses of Audubon Christmas Bird censuses. Letter to New York Times, August 15, 1972]

No significant correlation between DDE residues and shell thickness was reported in a large series of bald eagle eggs.
[Postupalsky, S. 1971. (DDE residues and shell thickness). Canadian Wildlife Service manuscript, April 8, 1971]

Thickness of eggshells from Florida, Maine and Wisconsin was found to not be correlated with DDT residues.
Data from Krantz, WC. 1970. Pesticides Monitoring Journal 4(3):136-140.
State Thickness (mm) DDE residue (ppm)
Florida 0.50 About 10
Maine 0.53 About 22
Wisconsin 0.55 About 4

U.S. Forest Service studies reported an increase in nesting bald eagle productivity (51 in 1964 to 107 in 1970).
[U.S. Forest Service (Milwaukee, WI). 1970. Annual Report on Bald Eagle Status]

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists fed large doses of DDT to captive bald eagles for 112 days and concluded that "DDT residues encountered by eagles in the environment would not adversely affect eagles or their eggs."
[Stickel, L. 1966. Bald eagle-pesticide relationships. Trans 31st N Amer Wildlife Conference, pp.190-200]

Wildlife authorities attributed bald eagle population reductions to a "widespread loss of suitable habitat", but noted that "illegal shooting continues to be the leading cause of direct mortality in both adult and immature bald eagles."
[Anon.. 1978. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Endangered Species Tech Bull 3:8-9]

Every bald eagle found dead in the U.S., between 1961-1977 (266 birds) was analyzed by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists who reported no adverse effects caused by DDT or its residues.
[Reichel, WL. 1969. (Pesticide residues in 45 bald eagles found dad in the U.S. 1964-1965). Pesticides Monitoring J 3(3)142-144; Belisle, AA. 1972. (Pesticide residues and PCBs and mercury, in bald eagles found dead in the U.S. 1969-1970). Pesticides Monitoring J 6(3): 133-138; Cromartie, E. 1974. (Organochlorine pesticides and PCBs in 37 bald eagles found dead in the U.S. 1971-1972). Pesticides Monitoring J 9:11-14; Coon, NC. 1970. (Causes of bald eagle mortality in the US 1960-1065). Journal of Wildlife Diseases 6:72-76]

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists linked high intake of mercury from contaminated fish with eagle reproductive problems.
[Spann, JW, RG Heath, JF Kreitzer, LN Locke. 1972. (Lethal and reproductive effects of mercury on birds) Science 175:328- 331]

Shooting, power line electrocution, collisions in flight and poisoning from eating ducks containing lead shot were ranked by the National Wildlife Federation as late as 1984 as the leading causes of eagle deaths.
[Anon. 1984. National Wildlife Federation publication. (Eagle deaths)]

(02-17-2010 05:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-17-2010 04:51 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-17-2010 04:45 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So millions of people in Africa died because DDT was banned in the U.S.?

That, and voluntarily withdrawn from the market in Africa. You can try to decide which might be more relevant. Based on this last post, it's not clear that you'll succeed.

Sorry, it was a gratuitous and probably unnecessary swipe. I read your post as being snarky and a bit deliberately obtuse.

(02-17-2010 09:55 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-17-2010 12:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you guys like the Bald Eagle? If so, you ban DDT.

Bald eagles were reportedly threatened with extinction in 1921 -- 25 years before widespread use of DDT.
[Van Name, WG. 1921. Ecology 2:76]

Shhh.

Mach likes simplistic, cliched cause and effect.

Right or wrong doesn't matter. It's easier to teach, and then people are "educated."

(02-18-2010 12:13 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-17-2010 05:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-17-2010 04:51 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-17-2010 04:45 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So millions of people in Africa died because DDT was banned in the U.S.?

That, and voluntarily withdrawn from the market in Africa. You can try to decide which might be more relevant. Based on this last post, it's not clear that you'll succeed.

Sorry, it was a gratuitous and probably unnecessary swipe. I read your post as being snarky and a bit deliberately obtuse.

Well, maybe a little snarky. Actually, I haven't followed the whole DDT banning story, the evidence of its effects, politics, etc. So I can't be smart-alecky on this topic.