(04-16-2024 07:58 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Also, college football would be so much more exciting if every team (P4 and G5) could be promoted and relegated.

idk why people keep bringing this up. It's NEVER going to happen. You don't willingly give up ten$ of million$ guaranteed income every year. Aside from that there are lots of other sports who depend on the football revenue just to operate. How's that supposed to work if your football team gets relegated? I literally only see other G5 fans bringing up how great of an idea P&R would be for college football.

The only way it could possibly work is if college football is completely decoupled from the rest of the athletic departments and becomes fully professionalized. Then you'd need a separate governing body to handle splitting the revenues. Never happening.

(04-16-2024 05:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 04:22 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  "The group includes Devils/Sixers owner David Blitzer, NFL executive Brian Rolapp, Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, Syracuse chancellor Kent Syverud and TurnkeyZRG chairman and CEO Len Perna."

Odds they get a sit down meeting with Sankey or Petitti?

They already tried once and Phillips was the only P4 Commissioner who would talk to them. This is a solid move by Phillips to change the conversation if you ask me, especially considering his very limited options, but I don't think it will go anywhere.

You (collective you: bryanw, A&M, Sankey, Mississippi State, even tu) are being sued in the House case for acting in combination with the other P5(4) conferences and Notre Dame to deny football players of their rightful share of NIL money.

They are not accused of actual collusion but the effect is the same.

You (as advised by your lawyers) would be very wary of entering into any sort of discussion or presentation that would formalize your monopoly.

John Sharp will have an informal discussion with an NFL representative at a Texans game.

(04-17-2024 08:15 AM)Jhawkinva Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 12:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  ... Schools like Boise State, Fresno State, Memphis, ECU, UTSA, USF and Appalachian State do get butts in the seat than Stanford, Washington State, Kansas, Duke, Wake Forest, SMU, Houston and Boston College. Not having them in the pool to rotate will not work.

Kansas had a better attendance average last year than every school you listed as getting more 'butts in the seat' than them.

Quite. One thing about a basketball blue blood that has been abysmal in football is that it has built in headroom in its value, because it has an established information ecosystem to support its basketball season which is happy to cover improvement on the football side while basketball is still in the off-season, so it has a much faster ramp than is normally the case for a school that is in a long stretch of poor football performance.

And there is additional headroom if the conference's share of the basketball national tournament revenue pie increases from 40% to 80%, since at present a smaller share of the media value of a successful basketball program flows through to the conference that it plays in.

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(04-16-2024 04:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  "An 11-page deck, titled 'Competitive Equity Proposals' and dated Feb. 15, was produced for CST by TurnkeyZRG, a search firm that works extensively in college athletics. The document is marked 'attorney-client privileged,' although it is unclear why, since TurnkeyZRG is not a law firm. A representative from CST didn’t respond to an email seeking comment on the details."



"Hey, look at this important 'attorney-client' priveleged document that showed up unannounced in my e-mail. It must be a big deal, right? We should do a story about it!"

"My client is an influential Nijerian Prinse. Please ignore that I am unsure how to spell Nijiera or Prins."

Until someone important in the B1G and SEC comes out supporting this, it means nothing. And by that I do not mean anyone associated with Nebraska.

(04-17-2024 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 07:58 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Also, college football would be so much more exciting if every team (P4 and G5) could be promoted and relegated.

idk why people keep bringing this up. It's NEVER going to happen. You don't willingly give up ten$ of million$ guaranteed income every year. Aside from that there are lots of other sports who depend on the football revenue just to operate. How's that supposed to work if your football team gets relegated? I literally only see other G5 fans bringing up how great of an idea P&R would be for college football.

The only way it could possibly work is if college football is completely decoupled from the rest of the athletic departments and becomes fully professionalized. Then you'd need a separate governing body to handle splitting the revenues. Never happening.

I never said I thought it was going to happen. Brought it up because it would make the product better, in my opinion.

(04-16-2024 04:13 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  These alignments make sense, and therefore, this plan is dead in the water.

Cincinnati and Louisville in the B10? These schools were scrambling for life rafts, now they play Michigan and Ohio State. That's not happening.

(04-17-2024 09:50 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 07:58 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Also, college football would be so much more exciting if every team (P4 and G5) could be promoted and relegated.

idk why people keep bringing this up. It's NEVER going to happen. You don't willingly give up ten$ of million$ guaranteed income every year. Aside from that there are lots of other sports who depend on the football revenue just to operate. How's that supposed to work if your football team gets relegated? I literally only see other G5 fans bringing up how great of an idea P&R would be for college football.

The only way it could possibly work is if college football is completely decoupled from the rest of the athletic departments and becomes fully professionalized. Then you'd need a separate governing body to handle splitting the revenues. Never happening.

I never said I thought it was going to happen. Brought it up because it would make the product better, in my opinion.

I don't think the product would be better. I am an Irish fan so value ND independence greatly, but I also recognize that there is a great storehouse of history and culture and tradition in conferences, particularly the major conferences that have been around for a long time.

I don't want to lose that. We've already lost it for the PAC, the SWC and the Big 8. The only ones left are the SEC, B1G and ACC. And as much as they've changed, they still have a lot of stored-up culture and history.

So I've never been for geographic "rationalization", or irrationalization, of the kind the B1G is indulging in.

I would give this plan a 0.001% chance at happening. People shouldn't worry. Ohio St. isn't going to share a conference and equal revenue with Cincinnati or Louisville. USC and UCLA tried getting away from the group that they would be forced back into. On top of that regionalization has been important to many in the G5 and they are the ones given the conference that spread from Virginia to Idaho to New Mexico to Alabama? Yikes....

(04-17-2024 10:14 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I would give this plan a 0.001% chance at happening. People shouldn't worry. Ohio St. is going to share a conference and equal revenue with Cincinnati or Louisville. USC and UCLA tried getting away from the group that they would be forced back into. On top of that regionalization has been important to many in the G5 and they are the ones given the conference that spread from Virginia to Idaho to New Mexico to Alabama? Yikes....

I think the only way anything like this happens is if the SEC and Big 10 each expand to 20 and control the revenue for 4 of these 10 team leagues:
IA, MN, WI, IL, NW, IU, PU, UM, MSU, tOSU
LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, AL, Auburn, UGA, UF, TN, Vandy, UK
USC, UCLA, UW, Oregon, NU, OU, MU, AR, UT, TX A&M
PSU, RU, MD, USCe, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA, ND
then the M2 groups
WSU, OSU, Stanford, Cal, Utah, BYU, CU, AZ, ASU, SMU
UH, TT, TCU, Baylor, Okie St., KU, KSU, ISU, UL, Cincy
BC, SU, Pitt, WVU, VT, NCSU, Duke, WF, GT, UCF

And the league schedules would be 7, maybe 8 games, leaving plenty of room for tOSU-USC, Alabama-OU, etc.

(04-16-2024 04:47 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 04:06 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Sportico link

I have to say, as guy who grew up on the old Southwest Conference---I do like the way this plan comes really close to effectively resurrecting the Southwest Conference.

As a Rice fan I see that it is woefully short of the SWC.

True---but given how the winds of realignment have blown for the last few decades---that proposal would be about the only way I can imagine anything even close to the old SWC reforming in my lifetime. Plus, Houston typically plays Rice every year---so for a Houston fan like me---Id be watching games against every team in the old SWC every year. Id happily take that outcome. That said---there is virtually no chance of it coming to pass. The current B12 league is probably the closest thing to the old SWC Houston will likely see in my lifetime.