(03-14-2024 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 06:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  My question: can the conferences determine how the payout is distributed? That would be huge if the ACC could distribute their cut based on performance.

That is part of the "success initiative."

But the Big 10 and SEC have made sure none of that can catch FSU up to Big 10/SEC $$.

Well, according to FSU, the competition in the ACC is subpar so they should win the crown every season. Based on my formula, that would put them ahead of Notre Dame.

But are they ahead of South Carolina, Purdue and Mississippi St.?

No, but they haven't been the last 10 years or so and they're a far better program to this day.

No they haven't. And the gap between the SEC, Big 10 and the rest really starts this year.
2019-20 and 2021-22 average distributions per school in millions
Big 10 49-58
SEC 46-50
Big 12 38-43
Pac 12 34-37
ACC 32-39

And for 2022-23, the SEC is at 51, the Big 12 at 44 and UNC at 42 (ACC hasn't announced or released tax returns). But the SEC and Big 10 are basically doubling their TV revenue.

(03-14-2024 09:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  That is part of the "success initiative."

But the Big 10 and SEC have made sure none of that can catch FSU up to Big 10/SEC $$.

Well, according to FSU, the competition in the ACC is subpar so they should win the crown every season. Based on my formula, that would put them ahead of Notre Dame.

But are they ahead of South Carolina, Purdue and Mississippi St.?

No, but they haven't been the last 10 years or so and they're a far better program to this day.

No they haven't. And the gap between the SEC, Big 10 and the rest really starts this year.
2019-20 and 2021-22 average distributions per school in millions
Big 10 49-58
SEC 46-50
Big 12 38-43
Pac 12 34-37
ACC 32-39

And for 2022-23, the SEC is at 51, the Big 12 at 44 and UNC at 42 (ACC hasn't announced or released tax returns). But the SEC and Big 10 are basically doubling their TV revenue.

You're arguing those three are better programs than FSU?

(03-14-2024 09:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well, according to FSU, the competition in the ACC is subpar so they should win the crown every season. Based on my formula, that would put them ahead of Notre Dame.

But are they ahead of South Carolina, Purdue and Mississippi St.?

No, but they haven't been the last 10 years or so and they're a far better program to this day.

No they haven't. And the gap between the SEC, Big 10 and the rest really starts this year.
2019-20 and 2021-22 average distributions per school in millions
Big 10 49-58
SEC 46-50
Big 12 38-43
Pac 12 34-37
ACC 32-39

And for 2022-23, the SEC is at 51, the Big 12 at 44 and UNC at 42 (ACC hasn't announced or released tax returns). But the SEC and Big 10 are basically doubling their TV revenue.

You're arguing those three are better programs than FSU?

Don't be dense. Your claim they had more money was wrong.

(03-14-2024 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 06:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  My question: can the conferences determine how the payout is distributed? That would be huge if the ACC could distribute their cut based on performance.

That is part of the "success initiative."

But the Big 10 and SEC have made sure none of that can catch FSU up to Big 10/SEC $$.

It's official: the B12 and ACC are second-tier conferences. Their commissioners signed off on it.

We can lay to rest all delusional talk that a 'P3' exists somewhere in which the B12 sits at the grown-up table with the SEC and B1G. The P2 dine as they like. Others wait under the table for whatever falls.

We can also lay to rest any notion that an internal revenue distribution model can be crafted that lets qualifying ACC schools catch up to P2 levels. The numbers have not allowed this as a realistic possibility for some time, and now the revenue gap is cemented in place. No one seriously regarded this as a long-term solution anyway. It's simply one of those necessary dance steps both the league office and league members have to execute in order to demonstrate good faith before university leaders start making decisions.

(03-14-2024 06:58 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Fascinating that the Big 12 is accepting lower revenue than the ACC

SEC = 29% = 1.8125% per school
B1G = 29% = 1.6111% per school
ACC = 17.1% = 1.0059% per school
ND = 1% = 1.0000%
B12 = 14.7% = 0.91875% per school

....

Anyway, that smaller amount for the Big 12 goes a long way toward explaining Yormark's insistence upon a 2028 look-in. It seems the formula was derived from the past decade results for the current lineups of the ACC and Big 12, not an even split between conferences like the SEC and B1G devised for each other.

A lot of politics in this.

Yes. That's the rationale, but something's up.

The ACC does have more schools on the P2 shopping list than the B12. The ACC's slightly higher allocation may reflect this. Subtraction can be done on this number later.

(03-14-2024 09:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  But are they ahead of South Carolina, Purdue and Mississippi St.?

No, but they haven't been the last 10 years or so and they're a far better program to this day.

No they haven't. And the gap between the SEC, Big 10 and the rest really starts this year.
2019-20 and 2021-22 average distributions per school in millions
Big 10 49-58
SEC 46-50
Big 12 38-43
Pac 12 34-37
ACC 32-39

And for 2022-23, the SEC is at 51, the Big 12 at 44 and UNC at 42 (ACC hasn't announced or released tax returns). But the SEC and Big 10 are basically doubling their TV revenue.

You're arguing those three are better programs than FSU?

Don't be dense. Your claim they had more money was wrong.

What?! I think you’re being dense. I said FSU hasn’t made as much as them the last decade+ and they’re still a much better program.

If FSU is head and shoulders above the rest of the league then they’ll win the $50m bonus every season and be in the ballpark, ahead of mighty Notre Dame. See bullet, it’s a catch 22. If they don’t win it every year it proves their case is bogus because they are not in fact head and shoulders better than the rest of the conference. So they either get more money based on performance, which is what they want or they prove they’re not worthy of more money.

(03-15-2024 07:00 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  No, but they haven't been the last 10 years or so and they're a far better program to this day.

No they haven't. And the gap between the SEC, Big 10 and the rest really starts this year.
2019-20 and 2021-22 average distributions per school in millions
Big 10 49-58
SEC 46-50
Big 12 38-43
Pac 12 34-37
ACC 32-39

And for 2022-23, the SEC is at 51, the Big 12 at 44 and UNC at 42 (ACC hasn't announced or released tax returns). But the SEC and Big 10 are basically doubling their TV revenue.

You're arguing those three are better programs than FSU?

Don't be dense. Your claim they had more money was wrong.

What?! I think you’re being dense. I said FSU hasn’t made as much as them the last decade+ and they’re still a much better program.

If FSU is head and shoulders above the rest of the league then they’ll win the $50m bonus every season and be in the ballpark, ahead of mighty Notre Dame. See bullet, it’s a catch 22. If they don’t win it every year it proves their case is bogus because they are not in fact head and shoulders better than the rest of the conference. So they either get more money based on performance, which is what they want or they prove they’re not worthy of more money.

IMO any school would be foolish to ask for more money based on performance. Performance can come and go for anyone - in the 16 seasons between 1992 and 2009 Alabama only won one SEC football title and no NY6/BCS bowl games. Michigan recently went 17 straight seasons without winning a B1G football title.

You make $$$ demands based on brand value. And IMO FSU football has significantly more brand value than the average ACC school, whether their team is winning in a given year or not.

(03-15-2024 08:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 07:00 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 09:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  No they haven't. And the gap between the SEC, Big 10 and the rest really starts this year.
2019-20 and 2021-22 average distributions per school in millions
Big 10 49-58
SEC 46-50
Big 12 38-43
Pac 12 34-37
ACC 32-39

And for 2022-23, the SEC is at 51, the Big 12 at 44 and UNC at 42 (ACC hasn't announced or released tax returns). But the SEC and Big 10 are basically doubling their TV revenue.

You're arguing those three are better programs than FSU?

Don't be dense. Your claim they had more money was wrong.

What?! I think you’re being dense. I said FSU hasn’t made as much as them the last decade+ and they’re still a much better program.

If FSU is head and shoulders above the rest of the league then they’ll win the $50m bonus every season and be in the ballpark, ahead of mighty Notre Dame. See bullet, it’s a catch 22. If they don’t win it every year it proves their case is bogus because they are not in fact head and shoulders better than the rest of the conference. So they either get more money based on performance, which is what they want or they prove they’re not worthy of more money.

IMO any school would be foolish to ask for more money based on performance. Performance can come and go for anyone - in the 16 seasons between 1992 and 2009 Alabama only won one SEC football title and no NY6/BCS bowl games. Michigan recently went 17 straight seasons without winning a B1G football title.

You make $$$ demands based on brand value. And IMO FSU football has significantly more brand value than the average ACC school, whether their team is winning in a given year or not.

Possibly earning $50m or $25m vs missing a $3m? C'mon now, the ACC and Big XII need to boost their top programs and help them out due to the situation they're in. Performance based outcomes don't make sense for the nSEC and nB18, but they do for the ACC and Big XII. 100% worth it.

Plus it increases competition to the extreme.

Another piece of the puzzle filled in:

Ouch! The CFP hates independents (not named Notre Dame). MWC schools will make 15x to 20x as much as the Cougars and Beavers.

Bottom line, the Pac-12 is not part of this agreement, not as one of the four autonomous conferences and not as a member of the group of five, just not at all. This should be the final nail in the coffin of even the faintest of hopes of a rebuild.

Time for UConn to seek football only in the MAC, or if necessary, CUSA.

(03-16-2024 05:07 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Another piece of the puzzle filled in:

Ouch! The CFP hates independents (not named Notre Dame). MWC schools will make 15x to 20x as much as the Cougars and Beavers.

Bottom line, the Pac-12 is not part of this agreement, not as one of the four autonomous conferences and not as a member of the group of five, just not at all. This should be the final nail in the coffin of even the faintest of hopes of a rebuild.

The ACC needs to be proactive and if the TV Money is right bring the in … Complete the Western Expansion … IMO …