(02-21-2024 09:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 06:15 PM)kundrky Wrote:  This was always going to be the most likely resolution. OUT "paid" the B12 $50mil each to leave one year early. I say "paid" because it was actually just forgone revenue. Iowa State AD said the conference settlement was 65 cents on the dollar and they were satisfied with that. Let's say the ACC would be willing to take a similar discount to be done with this fiasco. So 65% of $572mil* is $372mil. FSU pays half up-front ($186 mil), which is a more reasonable amount to raise and get loans for. And perhaps the remainder can be paid in yearly installments of $15.5mil through the GOR in 2036 or some portion of "forgone revenue," depending upon what ESPN can facilitate. That's probably punitive enough to dissuade other ACC schools and keep the conference together for the most part.

Agree, I have said since the beginning, in the end a deal would get made. Court to risky for both sides.

*Based of FSU's interpretation of what the value is.

Another entity might value those rights differently. I have seen estimates that top $1 Billion. So even at 65% the $572 figure is much too low.

(02-21-2024 03:36 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 02:11 AM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 10:53 PM)IWantToTalkToRalphSampson Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 09:02 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UNC Clemson SEC
Miami FSU B1G

SEC sticks with 1+8
B1G stays with flex protect.

Then, I’d expect the ACC to either use that buyout to poach Big 12 schools (Houston, TCU, and KU top targets), or they just pocket the cash and bide their time. I’d expect ESPN would opt out though, and renegotiate the entire contract.

In that scenario, with 13 football and 14 basketball schools, it would make more sense to propose a swap with the Big XII and give them Calford and SMU in exchange for the ACC getting WVU, Cincy, and UCF. Then add USF and stand pat at 14/15, or add UConn for #15/16 and play a 9 game, 4 permanent, 5 rotating opponent FB schedule.

So the Big 12 should give the ACC three schools that we want and in exchange we get three schools that we already turned down?

I don’t recall any conferences ever making direct trades. There have been switches that happened over a long period of time. For example, Georgia Tech was once in the SEC, and South Carolina was once in the ACC. Both were in the old Metro awhile. No trade there.

Actually, some trading would make sense for all concerned. Barriers to do such are so entrenched that movement in this manner would be quite tough to do.

Stanford and Cal in the ACC is an example of the stupidity and ego of college sports. Moving them to the Big 12 for WVU and either UCF or UC makes too much sense to happen.

(02-20-2024 03:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 10:44 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 04:30 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 08:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  1. Petitti and Sankey work out 2 things. They agree on full compliance and work together with the Courts and Congress to be told what that means so they can fulfill the wishes of the Legislative and Legal branches of our government.

2. Petitti and Sankey agree on which schools will be added to each conference. They do this with informal direction from FOX and ESPN. They place a hold on announcing any moves.

3. The CFP committee sees all of the aspects that they wanted met which were left out of ESPN's bid, and they decline it.

4. Petitti and Sankey announce that the SEC and Big 10 are leaving the NCAA and starting their own professionalized tier of college athletics. They talk about working out the details on a 16-team playoff to be held just for their tier and cite the disgruntlement of the CFP and the declined bid as their impetus.

5. ESPN and FOX decline to resubmit a bid on the CFP.

6. ESPN declines to pick up the option extending the ACC's contract effective at the end of the upcoming 2024-25 season.

7. All ACC schools become free agents and Sankey and Petitti invite those they have decided upon. There are no GOR penalties and only a single year's exit fee of withheld conference media revenue.

8. Sankey and Petitti give an open invitation to any schools who wish to be a part of their new upper tier with a complete list of the costs and expectations. Kansas and the 4 corners and any other Big 12 and ACC schools now have to make decisions.

9. The new upper tier is formed, possibly with a third conference comprised of the opt ins.

This is how this can play out without the problems so many like to dwell upon here. t

10. The upper tier sells their media rights as one. This gives them more leverage in dealing with the rights purchasers. The 16-team post season brings in 2.5 billion annually. The schools split 50% of the NET profit with the Networks. The upper tier schools earn in the range of 85 to 90 million.

ESPN and FOX cut their overhead, concentrate their payouts, and have plenty of high yield inventory and the college playoff they wanted with no ratings duds in the field.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you your New World Order of College Sports.

A compelling Chess Take, I'd say, amid a few truly questionable Checkers Takes.

It's always clear who has been in a position of problem solving and who are essentially button pushers in need of a script.

JR, nice NWO reference JR. Probably not what you were going for but this wrestling stable turned the industry upside down in the 90s. Not completely dissimilar.

My "rasslin'" days go deeper into history than that! Dick Dunn and Flash and Rocket Monroe to name a few.

I enjoyed 2 things in my 2 careers. Figuring out how to accomplish an objective and figuring out how to screw up the objectives of my competitors. In other words, "doing" and "sapping". The people I got rid of where those who constantly told me why something could not be accomplished and the people, I promoted were those who were sharp enough to figure a way out to legally get it done. Sapping was just the fun part of it. And those were in the corporate years. In the non-profit years it was the same, but the nuance changed. You wanted to maximize what you could do to help people and thwart those who were seeking to take advantage of them.

In business sapping was fun and there was a comradery with your competitors over counting coup upon each other. And that competition and their probing your weaknesses and you of theirs was to mutual benefit. What better critic of your approach than a competitor who had a vested interest in exploiting a weakness.

In non-profit work the stakes were higher and the sapping not a matter of fun but of necessity and it created real stress. By doing that work you were going to be threatened in ways most would find disturbing. For the vulnerable it's not a game, there is no comradery between the competitors, and the entities which prey upon them don't like interference. Stopping them was fulfilling but dangerous. Your team members in that had to be people you absolutely trusted. And that makes all of this look like what it is. A large public distraction which has to be reformed to eliminate inequities that were created when a pastime grew into a multi-billion-dollar industry. Here, in spite of inconveniences to academic institutions, irritations to fans, and the upheaval, inequities are being addressed, and it is not earth shaking because it is still entertainment. When we put as much focus into protecting by the enforcement of existing laws, all communities within our society from its domestic and foreign predators, then we will have done something worthwhile. But as with all things I experienced in corporate and nonprofit life, if we do there will be some counting coup, only it won't be friendly, and those who figure out how we can do should be promoted or elected, and those who always say you can't do should be fired. And the teamwork needs to be tight on trust, because some of the predators are not only domestic, but entrenched within the power structure. Failure to protect all of the citizenry from predation is not only the dereliction of duty of those elected to do so, but a tell-tale sign of the enemy within. And poking that bear is inherently dangerous because they have so many avenues with which to stop or harm you, or those you care about.

People get twisted and wound up over college football and that's a good surrogate outlet for other stress, but it's just a game. The real things we should get wound up over are those things harming the others around us. And if we spent the same amount of time learning the play book of the predators as we do of our favorite teams, we would be much better prepared to stop them. Let's realign that!

Very interesting post. It's no suprise you've been able to see the end game here. Regarding, rasslin' my paternal grandmother was very rough around the edges. I still remember her dipping tobacco and watching wrestling. She was a big fan of Wahoo McDaniel. I'm pretty sure she was convinced that it was all real. My rasslin' days started in the early 80's. With the exception of a few "good guys" like Brett Hart I was more interested in the bad guys, especially Rowdy Roddy Piper and Razor Ramon before they turned face. The "bad guys" who made being bad cool were the best. Edit.... now that I think of it Brett Hart started as a heel also.

(02-21-2024 09:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  Stanford and Cal in the ACC is an example of the stupidity and ego of college sports. Moving them to the Big 12 for WVU and either UCF or UC makes too much sense to happen.

The Big 12 really never wanted Stanford or Cal. The ACC has long avoided WVU over academics.

(02-21-2024 10:03 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 09:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  Stanford and Cal in the ACC is an example of the stupidity and ego of college sports. Moving them to the Big 12 for WVU and either UCF or UC makes too much sense to happen.

The Big 12 really never wanted Stanford or Cal. The ACC has long avoided WVU over academics.

It’s pretty simple, no need to over complicate things. Stanford, Cal, and SMU were worth more to the ACC due to the conference network, while the Big XII had four stagnant pro-rata additions. They could have added Oregon State, Wazzou, Stanford, and Cal and it would have equaled the same exact position they’re in now. The only outliers in that league are the desperation moves to keep the conference afloat in years past.

(02-21-2024 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 10:03 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 09:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  Stanford and Cal in the ACC is an example of the stupidity and ego of college sports. Moving them to the Big 12 for WVU and either UCF or UC makes too much sense to happen.

The Big 12 really never wanted Stanford or Cal. The ACC has long avoided WVU over academics.

It’s pretty simple, no need to over complicate things. Stanford, Cal, and SMU were worth more to the ACC due to the conference network, while the Big XII had four stagnant pro-rata additions. They could have added Oregon State, Wazzou, Stanford, and Cal and it would have equaled the same exact position they’re in now. The only outliers in that league are the desperation moves to keep the conference afloat in years past.

I doubt they could have added WSU or Oregon St. They didn't bring enough value. The networks would have just said no as they did to UConn. Now maybe if the Big 12 was at 12 or 13, they might have said yes to UConn, but not at 16.

(02-21-2024 09:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 03:36 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 02:11 AM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 10:53 PM)IWantToTalkToRalphSampson Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 09:02 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UNC Clemson SEC
Miami FSU B1G

SEC sticks with 1+8
B1G stays with flex protect.

Then, I’d expect the ACC to either use that buyout to poach Big 12 schools (Houston, TCU, and KU top targets), or they just pocket the cash and bide their time. I’d expect ESPN would opt out though, and renegotiate the entire contract.

In that scenario, with 13 football and 14 basketball schools, it would make more sense to propose a swap with the Big XII and give them Calford and SMU in exchange for the ACC getting WVU, Cincy, and UCF. Then add USF and stand pat at 14/15, or add UConn for #15/16 and play a 9 game, 4 permanent, 5 rotating opponent FB schedule.

So the Big 12 should give the ACC three schools that we want and in exchange we get three schools that we already turned down?

I don’t recall any conferences ever making direct trades. There have been switches that happened over a long period of time. For example, Georgia Tech was once in the SEC, and South Carolina was once in the ACC. Both were in the old Metro awhile. No trade there.

Actually, some trading would make sense for all concerned. Barriers to do such are so entrenched that movement in this manner would be quite tough to do.

Stanford and Cal in the ACC is an example of the stupidity and ego of college sports. Moving them to the Big 12 for WVU and either UCF or UC makes too much sense to happen.

It doesn't make any sense at all. Anybody with a brain can see that.

(02-21-2024 09:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 03:36 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 02:11 AM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 10:53 PM)IWantToTalkToRalphSampson Wrote:  

(02-19-2024 09:02 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UNC Clemson SEC
Miami FSU B1G

SEC sticks with 1+8
B1G stays with flex protect.

Then, I’d expect the ACC to either use that buyout to poach Big 12 schools (Houston, TCU, and KU top targets), or they just pocket the cash and bide their time. I’d expect ESPN would opt out though, and renegotiate the entire contract.

In that scenario, with 13 football and 14 basketball schools, it would make more sense to propose a swap with the Big XII and give them Calford and SMU in exchange for the ACC getting WVU, Cincy, and UCF. Then add USF and stand pat at 14/15, or add UConn for #15/16 and play a 9 game, 4 permanent, 5 rotating opponent FB schedule.

So the Big 12 should give the ACC three schools that we want and in exchange we get three schools that we already turned down?

I don’t recall any conferences ever making direct trades. There have been switches that happened over a long period of time. For example, Georgia Tech was once in the SEC, and South Carolina was once in the ACC. Both were in the old Metro awhile. No trade there.

Actually, some trading would make sense for all concerned. Barriers to do such are so entrenched that movement in this manner would be quite tough to do.

Stanford and Cal in the ACC is an example of the stupidity and ego of college sports. Moving them to the Big 12 for WVU and either UCF or UC makes too much sense to happen.

This...or a Big 12/ACC group partnership with a common TV deal and inter play.

The Big12 will need to either buy into the ACCN or develop a 2nd channel.

(02-22-2024 01:33 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 09:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 03:36 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 02:11 AM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 10:53 PM)IWantToTalkToRalphSampson Wrote:  In that scenario, with 13 football and 14 basketball schools, it would make more sense to propose a swap with the Big XII and give them Calford and SMU in exchange for the ACC getting WVU, Cincy, and UCF. Then add USF and stand pat at 14/15, or add UConn for #15/16 and play a 9 game, 4 permanent, 5 rotating opponent FB schedule.

So the Big 12 should give the ACC three schools that we want and in exchange we get three schools that we already turned down?

I don’t recall any conferences ever making direct trades. There have been switches that happened over a long period of time. For example, Georgia Tech was once in the SEC, and South Carolina was once in the ACC. Both were in the old Metro awhile. No trade there.

Actually, some trading would make sense for all concerned. Barriers to do such are so entrenched that movement in this manner would be quite tough to do.

Stanford and Cal in the ACC is an example of the stupidity and ego of college sports. Moving them to the Big 12 for WVU and either UCF or UC makes too much sense to happen.

This...or a Big 12/ACC group partnership with a common TV deal and inter play.

The Big12 will need to either buy into the ACCN or develop a 2nd channel.

We'll just put it on BYUtv and have some people stream games from their phones to twitch.

The Big 12 should do a trade with the SEC. We send em baylor and Cincy and in exchange we get Georgia and Bama.