Also, I'm curious about NIL deals. Are they for a set length of time? Are they guaranteed? Can they be rescinded or canceled by either party at will? Are they lump sum deals or spread out over a length of time?

I would imagine that there could be repercussions for not paying out what was promised to a kid because his performance was not up to expectations.

(01-29-2024 11:16 PM)mapdude Wrote:  Also, I'm curious about NIL deals. Are they for a set length of time? Are they guaranteed? Can they be rescinded or canceled by either party at will? Are they lump sum deals or spread out over a length of time?

I would imagine that there could be repercussions for not paying out what was promised to a kid because his performance was not up to expectations.

I believe that would fall under the term "pay-for-play", which is expressly against the rules (as loose as they are). Do that and the NCAA won't be kind to your school.

(01-30-2024 12:09 AM)former guest Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 11:16 PM)mapdude Wrote:  Also, I'm curious about NIL deals. Are they for a set length of time? Are they guaranteed? Can they be rescinded or canceled by either party at will? Are they lump sum deals or spread out over a length of time?

I would imagine that there could be repercussions for not paying out what was promised to a kid because his performance was not up to expectations.

I believe that would fall under the term "pay-for-play", which is expressly against the rules (as loose as they are). Do that and the NCAA won't be kind to your school.

The school doesn’t pay… the collective does; & they can put whatever they want into an agreement.

(01-30-2024 06:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 12:09 AM)former guest Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 11:16 PM)mapdude Wrote:  Also, I'm curious about NIL deals. Are they for a set length of time? Are they guaranteed? Can they be rescinded or canceled by either party at will? Are they lump sum deals or spread out over a length of time?

I would imagine that there could be repercussions for not paying out what was promised to a kid because his performance was not up to expectations.

I believe that would fall under the term "pay-for-play", which is expressly against the rules (as loose as they are). Do that and the NCAA won't be kind to your school.

The school doesn’t pay… the collective does; & they can put whatever they want into an agreement.

FSU just got hit pretty hard because a booster was doing pay for play. Any paying entity can have terms that are expressly pay for play. Now, everybody knows that is effectively the case but it cannot be expressly defined or stated.

(01-29-2024 08:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 08:17 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 08:12 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:15 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It starts with Jones. If he left tomorrow, we’d be a significantly better team within 2 weeks.

If Jones left tomorrow, you can kiss any shot at the NCAA tourney goodbye. He’s still our go-to guy when we need a score.

Being the team or league leader in scoring is not always what's best for the team. See Wilt Chamberlain or Pete Maravich.

Agreed

If you score 28 & turn it over 9 times… refuse to close out & defend… shoot instead of passing to the open man… and in so doing alienate your team & kill morale, then you’re costing your team far more than you’re contributing.

Jones is on his 3rd team for a reason…

His turnovers are an issue, and his D is mostly suspect.
He's also a walking bucket and one of the only guys who puts effort into rebounding.

As for his 3rd team...It seems everyone in the country is on their 3rd team these days. That's an obsolete stigma you're attaching there.

(01-29-2024 12:53 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 12:47 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  JQ doesn’t exactly play hard on defense. I think a better thread would be who we don’t call out. Malcolm was saying we need dogs yet he didn’t have a single defensive rebound

Exactly. He’s 6’9 250 and can’t rebound a lick. Him and Jordain had a total of 5 yesterday while the foreigner from UAB had 16

The guy everyone hates Brown had 3 boards in 5 minutes

(01-29-2024 06:27 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 04:51 PM)TonyG Wrote:  may be a reason why Pitino had DJ on a shorter leash at St Johns.

I mean, Pitino never coached DJ at St. John's.

Hey let’s not let facts get in the way lol

(01-29-2024 03:15 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It starts with Jones. If he left tomorrow, we’d be a significantly better team within 2 weeks.

Maybe the dumbest post ever. He’d be replaced by one of the Hardaway sons

(01-29-2024 04:20 PM)former guest Wrote:  If Malcom is calling out others, I have to wonder if it's the old case of "The dog with the loudest bark is the one that is most afraid."

As much as Penny loves him he’s rarely in the game at the end. Look at FAU last year or the USF game this year. I’m so glad he’s out of eligibility. He’s one of the biggest wastes of talent in Tiger basketball history

(01-30-2024 10:29 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 06:27 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 04:51 PM)TonyG Wrote:  may be a reason why Pitino had DJ on a shorter leash at St Johns.

I mean, Pitino never coached DJ at St. John's.

Hey let’s not let facts get in the way lol

my bad lol.

(01-29-2024 02:30 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  You don’t know where people are going? Jones has to be on the floor the way he fills up the stat sheet.

However, 9 TOs is absurd. He has to take better care of the ball. The end.

I think he commits to hero ball prematurely and ends up driving wildly into the heart of a zone.

David Jones is not the problem...

1st in points
1st in rebounds
1st in steals
3rd in assists (0.2 behind 2nd)
4th in blocks
1st in FG% (not counting our bigs)
2nd in 3P% (behind Jourdain, so really 1st if you considered attempts)
1st in TOs but is the primary ball handler so not surprising

If you think that is the problem then...

There was a time when players committed to a school because they wanted to win championships. Regular season conference championships. Conference tournament championships. National championships. Players bought into the team concept and had team goals they collectively strived for.

Sadly, that's no longer the case for most teams. It's a different game...and whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is a matter of personal opinion. My opinion is that the game and the resulting product is worse now.

(01-31-2024 02:58 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  There was a time when players committed to a school because they wanted to win championships. Regular season conference championships. Conference tournament championships. National championships. Players bought into the team concept and had team goals they collectively strived for.

Sadly, that's no longer the case for most teams. It's a different game...and whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is a matter of personal opinion. My opinion is that the game and the resulting product is worse now.

It’s way worse now.. The NIL and the way they have the Transfer Portal rules it has definitely ruined the team and game concept.. IMO you should be able to Transfer 1 time or if the head Coach you signed with leaves so can the player recruited under him.. The NIL I’m sure has caused animosity amongst players and I personally don’t agree with it.. Of course players have been getting money over the years under the table but this is a whole other animal..

(01-30-2024 07:10 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 06:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 12:09 AM)former guest Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 11:16 PM)mapdude Wrote:  Also, I'm curious about NIL deals. Are they for a set length of time? Are they guaranteed? Can they be rescinded or canceled by either party at will? Are they lump sum deals or spread out over a length of time?

I would imagine that there could be repercussions for not paying out what was promised to a kid because his performance was not up to expectations.

I believe that would fall under the term "pay-for-play", which is expressly against the rules (as loose as they are). Do that and the NCAA won't be kind to your school.

The school doesn’t pay… the collective does; & they can put whatever they want into an agreement.

FSU just got hit pretty hard because a booster was doing pay for play. Any paying entity can have terms that are expressly pay for play. Now, everybody knows that is effectively the case but it cannot be expressly defined or stated.

Using a 3rd party to get around a regulation isn't anything new, and has been seen as a crime depending on the origin of the regulation.

NIL collectives are just shell companies used to hide direct payments.

The court really screwed the pooch when it comes to sports.

When going by the letter of the law there isn't a sports league or group out there that isn't in violation of the current interpretation of the anti trust laws.

The first thing to go would be player drafts.

Then caps would soon follow.

Imagine if all players coming out of college or even high school were free to sign with any team and there was no limits as to how much teams could spend.

Teams such as the Grizzlies would be relegated to permanent door mat status, if they even existed.

Cities such as NY, Chicago, and LA would have three or more teams.

Do you think a historic franchise such as the Packers would be able to even survive in such a chaotic world?


The wisest words ever written comes from

Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"

(01-31-2024 02:58 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  There was a time when players committed to a school because they wanted to win championships. Regular season conference championships. Conference tournament championships. National championships. Players bought into the team concept and had team goals they collectively strived for.

Sadly, that's no longer the case for most teams. It's a different game...and whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is a matter of personal opinion. My opinion is that the game and the resulting product is worse now.

Agreed.

IMO, what this team misses most is a Deandre Williams. A guy who's not afraid to get in there & mix it up. As much as Malcolm has improved this year, and is to be commended for that, he's not that type of guy.

Deandre always provided a defensive spark, even if he wasn't scoring points. Someone has to step up and be that guy on this team, or it's going to be more lackluster effort through February.

(01-29-2024 03:15 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It starts with Jones. If he left tomorrow, we’d be a significantly better team within 2 weeks.

He's our leading scorer and leading rebounder my guy. You might want to switch to a new supplier because you got a bad batch.

Penny isnt selling the school or the team. Penny's sell pitch is, come to Memphis so I can help you develop individually for the NBA. That is the players we are getting. They arent here for the school or to win as a team, they are here to get individual development for the NBA draft.

I have said it since Penny first started coaching here and saw his style... You have to have plays in your pocket, and yes I know our offense has been fine, even better than fine, but discipline is a thing. Especially when you start having chemistry issues and players feel like they are not getting their turn to shine. It certainly would cut down on the turnovers if you are running a play and everyone knows what the other player is doing.

Defense is the biggest issue and as we all know, players have to want to play defense.

Overall, Penny is the coach, if things are going bad, it is his fault. If players arent listening, coach's fault. If players are not giving the effort, coach's fault.


Sweet 16 or bust.

(01-31-2024 05:06 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:15 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It starts with Jones. If he left tomorrow, we’d be a significantly better team within 2 weeks.

He's our leading scorer and leading rebounder my guy. You might want to switch to a new supplier because you got a bad batch.

One man show.

(01-31-2024 06:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Penny isnt selling the school or the team. Penny's sell pitch is, come to Memphis so I can help you develop individually for the NBA. That is the players we are getting. They arent here for the school or to win as a team, they are here to get individual development for the NBA draft.

I have said it since Penny first started coaching here and saw his style... You have to have plays in your pocket, and yes I know our offense has been fine, even better than fine, but discipline is a thing. Especially when you start having chemistry issues and players feel like they are not getting their turn to shine. It certainly would cut down on the turnovers if you are running a play and everyone knows what the other player is doing.

Defense is the biggest issue and as we all know, players have to want to play defense.

Overall, Penny is the coach, if things are going bad, it is his fault. If players arent listening, coach's fault. If players are not giving the effort, coach's fault.


Sweet 16 or bust.

If they are coming to play for Penny to get NBA ready, then that explains the lack of defensive competence for this team - I hardly ever see any defense played at what few NBA games I watch.