(01-27-2024 01:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  There are only 130 FbS college football programs & 43 bowl games… so 86 or 2/3rds of the 130 teams qualify for a bowl game.

There are 353 division 1 schools playing D1 college basketball competing for 64 spots…. Less than 20% of college basketball teams make the NCAA tournament.

Making a bowl game is far easier than qualifying for the NCAA tournament. The Bowl games have become participation trophies.

Exactly, simple math.
And with bowl games, you never know who is sitting out or even already gone by the time the game is played. Many teams are not motivated.

100 teams qualify for the NCAA and the NIT tourneys. That's still less than one-third of all teams. To compare meaningless bowl games to a win in the NCAA tourney is weak.

Bowl games = NIT, and I'm being generous at that.

(01-26-2024 01:40 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

The CFP is much more difficult to make than the NCAA.

Making the NCAA should almost be a given say 7 years out of 10.

To me, making a bowl game is the same as making the NCAA.

Winning a bowl game would be equivalent to winning your 1st round game, maybe the 2nd round depending on the level of team we face in the bowl.

A bowl win against Akron would be on par with a 1st round tourney win.

A bowl win against Iowa St would be similar to a 2nd round tourney win.

Getting to the Final Four would be equivalent to making the CFP. Using this, neither coach has been involved in a possible national championship.

Unless the Tigers make a deep run this year (and I hope we do), Silverfield might make the CFP before Hardaway sees Elite 8. Again, let's hope Penny gets it done this year, then everything will be right with the world again.

I think Memphis has been to the NCAA 20 times in the 37 years since the NCAA went to 64 teams. So just over 50%.

Bowl games allow 8th place AAC finishers and 6-6 records. It is definitely NOT the same as making the NCAA tourney. That wouldn't even get you in the NIT in basketball.

Winning an exhbition bowl game against an opponent who may have 15 starters sitting out is not the same as the tourney atmosphere and win-or-go-home stakes of the NCAA.

Iowa State was a 7-5 team that had players sitting and wanted to be in Florida. No where near the same as a 2nd round against #1 seed Gonzaga.

A S16 in basketball is about the equivalent ratio to a 4-team CFP. A 12-team CFP next year, is comparable to the round of 32 in bb.

The trickier part of the CFP is to get invited, with only 1 G5 school making it. So the comparison there would be more like getting a top 4-ish seed in basketball.

(01-26-2024 03:02 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

You have to have the lowest IQ of any person for which I have read a comment.

Penny has won one game in NCAA tournament which has 68 team in five years
Penny has unbelievable recruiting classes

He has the the single most under performing coach who has a Top 20 Basketball Budget and NIL budget to match for basketball and each season is a disaster until we "make a run at the end" to get a below average seed.

He is the definition of under performer.

Every season its an excuse, not on him but everyone else.

With big time boosters like you, we don't really need enemies.

Silverfield apologist and Penny detractor.

Weird, man.

(01-28-2024 10:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 03:02 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

You have to have the lowest IQ of any person for which I have read a comment.

Penny has won one game in NCAA tournament which has 68 team in five years
Penny has unbelievable recruiting classes

He has the the single most under performing coach who has a Top 20 Basketball Budget and NIL budget to match for basketball and each season is a disaster until we "make a run at the end" to get a below average seed.

He is the definition of under performer.

Every season its an excuse, not on him but everyone else.

With big time boosters like you, we don't really need enemies.

Silverfield apologist and Penny detractor.

Weird, man.

When are people going to figure out that this guy is a freaking no account clown. I bet he’s not very popular in the ambassador room. Dude hasn’t been right about anything going back to the we are getting in BS from nearly a decade ago.

What gets me is the ignorance of some people who try to compare two sports that are entirely different. It’s much much MUCH easier to pull an upset in basketball than it is football. Farleigh Dickinson beating Purdue; The 16 seed that beat Virginia that time. Nc State over Houston 83; Villanova over Georgetown in 85. Show me where anything like that happens in football ? With only 5 on the court you can upset a team. All you need is one or two players on the underdog to get hot and have the two main scorers on ten favorite to not be hot.

It’s why in football it’s basically the same 10 teams that have been dominant with only a few exceptions for over 50 years. Wake me up when Toledo beats Georgia in the CFP

Wake up people

I’m no Silverfield apologist, but I think the point is Silverfield does more with less. Memphis is a top 25 basketball program, and has the history, funding & support to field a nationally competitive program. Football-wise , we’re no where close; yet Silverfield is pumping out bowls wins & solid recruiting classes.

(01-28-2024 11:31 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-28-2024 10:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 03:02 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

You have to have the lowest IQ of any person for which I have read a comment.

Penny has won one game in NCAA tournament which has 68 team in five years
Penny has unbelievable recruiting classes

He has the the single most under performing coach who has a Top 20 Basketball Budget and NIL budget to match for basketball and each season is a disaster until we "make a run at the end" to get a below average seed.

He is the definition of under performer.

Every season its an excuse, not on him but everyone else.

With big time boosters like you, we don't really need enemies.

Silverfield apologist and Penny detractor.

Weird, man.

When are people going to figure out that this guy is a freaking no account clown. I bet he’s not very popular in the ambassador room. Dude hasn’t been right about anything going back to the we are getting in BS from nearly a decade ago.

He’s still an ambassador. What’s your claim to any quality information you bring to the peeps on here?

(01-28-2024 10:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Penny has unbelievable recruiting classes

Who said the class's he has recruited were unbelievable?

I take the ratings that the local talking heads and media spew every year with about as much seriousness as I do Prince Mongo getting elected to Mayor.

Penny's changing the programs direction this year, going away from the young gun, big time players (or so the media tells us they are), to take advantage of the portal to bring in "experienced, mature, scoring sensations"
I guess he kinda miss judged on the personality and maturity of these kids to buy into the team mentality. If he can turn this bunch of egotistic under performers into a real team and make a run by the end of the year, then he should be coach of the year, but I ain't gonna make that bet. I like to put my money of more of a sure thing, and that will be a repeat of last year in the end.

(01-28-2024 11:31 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-28-2024 10:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 03:02 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 05:26 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 04:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

lol
Bowl games? You talkin bout bowl games?
Penny's teams have played in the postseason national championship playoffs the past 2 years, and won a game in that. How many CFP games has Ryan been in?
Bowl games are like the NIT - which, BTW, Penny's Tigers won the last time they played. 4 wins in that year alone.

You have to have the lowest IQ of any person for which I have read a comment.

Penny has won one game in NCAA tournament which has 68 team in five years
Penny has unbelievable recruiting classes

He has the the single most under performing coach who has a Top 20 Basketball Budget and NIL budget to match for basketball and each season is a disaster until we "make a run at the end" to get a below average seed.

He is the definition of under performer.

Every season its an excuse, not on him but everyone else.

With big time boosters like you, we don't really need enemies.

Silverfield apologist and Penny detractor.

Weird, man.

When are people going to figure out that this guy is a freaking no account clown. I bet he’s not very popular in the ambassador room. Dude hasn’t been right about anything going back to the we are getting in BS from nearly a decade ago.

Well, he did give us the heads-up from the insiders' room that the 2020 football season was getting canceled due to COVID. He told us that the decision had been made and us commoners would be hearing about it in August.

oh, wait...

(01-28-2024 08:43 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(01-28-2024 10:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Penny has unbelievable recruiting classes

Who said the class's he has recruited were unbelievable?

I take the ratings that the local talking heads and media spew every year with about as much seriousness as I do Prince Mongo getting elected to Mayor.

Penny's changing the programs direction this year, going away from the young gun, big time players (or so the media tells us they are), to take advantage of the portal to bring in "experienced, mature, scoring sensations"
I guess he kinda miss judged on the personality and maturity of these kids to buy into the team mentality. If he can turn this bunch of egotistic under performers into a real team and make a run by the end of the year, then he should be coach of the year, but I ain't gonna make that bet. I like to put my money of more of a sure thing, and that will be a repeat of last year in the end.

Now, you're attributing that quote to me unfairly.
That was our Great Ambassador who made that comment.
You must have picked it up from the reply I made to his post.