(01-20-2024 02:12 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 02:18 PM)T-County Tiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:27 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  As much as I love Penny I'm beginning to wonder about him.

The days of rolling the ball out there and out-talenting everybody are long gone. Penny is a great recruiter, but terrible at managing a team.

think it is fun now? just wait till it's time for him to go and watch the crazies come out of the wood work. firing your most famous alumni won't be pretty and the university will suffer for it.

Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

(01-18-2024 09:34 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 09:26 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  One of my friends that was at the game said the assistant coaches were yelling at David Jones, at the end of the game, because he ran away from the handshake line and headed to the locker room. Unsure if it'll come up in post-game, but something to monitor.

Dude should have drove the ball to the hoop more

Might have had a different outcome in the game if he had. Although he did his part and more on offense, but often times the other players are standing around watching the star play and that doesn't get every one involved in the game.

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

This is not a place for facts & reality - we want opinions!

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:12 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 02:18 PM)T-County Tiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:27 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  As much as I love Penny I'm beginning to wonder about him.

The days of rolling the ball out there and out-talenting everybody are long gone. Penny is a great recruiter, but terrible at managing a team.

think it is fun now? just wait till it's time for him to go and watch the crazies come out of the wood work. firing your most famous alumni won't be pretty and the university will suffer for it.

Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Student athletes

(01-18-2024 07:56 PM)Fluke Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 07:45 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 07:39 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  What a player!! So much CDR in that game.

Agree but I'm thinking Jones is a little better shooter.

Jones is probably a better shooter at least on volume. I remember CDR being over 40% from three his last season but didn’t shoot as much. Never seen as good of a finisher around the rim as CDR though. Those old man moves. Jones is a much better rebounder.

He rebounds like Omar Sneed. He was a ferocious rebounder for his size.

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

Memphis was the Conference Champion last season.


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Champion: Memphis

(01-20-2024 02:12 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 02:18 PM)T-County Tiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:27 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  As much as I love Penny I'm beginning to wonder about him.

The days of rolling the ball out there and out-talenting everybody are long gone. Penny is a great recruiter, but terrible at managing a team.

think it is fun now? just wait till it's time for him to go and watch the crazies come out of the wood work. firing your most famous alumni won't be pretty and the university will suffer for it.

This. This was my initial hesitation to hiring Penny in the first place. The guy has his team playing at a high level, but anything less than a perfect season has fans bringing out the long knives. And we're not talking about firing a small-time Memphian. This would be like firing Elvis.

Oh, and the "He knew what he was getting into when he took the job", "He's well-compensated for his efforts" crowd...jeez.

The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

(01-23-2024 01:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The problem with hiring Penny is you can’t fire Penny… always has been.
If he leaves, it will have to be his decision.

Same was said about Larry Finch!

(01-23-2024 12:39 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:12 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 02:18 PM)T-County Tiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:27 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  As much as I love Penny I'm beginning to wonder about him.

The days of rolling the ball out there and out-talenting everybody are long gone. Penny is a great recruiter, but terrible at managing a team.

think it is fun now? just wait till it's time for him to go and watch the crazies come out of the wood work. firing your most famous alumni won't be pretty and the university will suffer for it.

This. This was my initial hesitation to hiring Penny in the first place. The guy has his team playing at a high level, but anything less than a perfect season has fans bringing out the long knives. And we're not talking about firing a small-time Memphian. This would be like firing Elvis.

Oh, and the "He knew what he was getting into when he took the job", "He's well-compensated for his efforts" crowd...jeez.

Your post is a perfect example of the issues.

Some of you have created a Cult like status with Penny as our Jim Jones.

It isn't if he has succeeded or not.

It is that it is impossible to even have a discussion on if he's succeeded or not.

It's Finch 2.0

Truth was that Finch should've been let go after year 5, but because of his being a former star player he was given a pass.

Penny should be evaluated solely based on results and his history as a former player should not be part of the equation.

His job performance so far has been good.

He has come in and used the system to produce good results.

But there are a lot of cracks that are showing up.

His policy of allowing others to develop talent and then to pick the developed player up in the portal has risk.

The biggest is to try to get a bunch of players use to being the Alpha dog on their old team, to accept supportive roles.

This is difficult for seasoned successful coaches to do.

Much less a coach still trying to develop his coaching skills.

Having a veteran former head coach on the bench helps.

But not if they're leaving as soon as they're hired.

And not moving on to better jobs, just leaving to be leaving.

(01-23-2024 10:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:36 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Seems like Deja Vu all over again.....similar to Silverfield. Gripe a lot during the season and then, when you see the final results....the naysayers go back to their caves. We have a lot of basketball left to play this year and a lot of faulty football crystal balls still in use for basketball.

Pre-Penny AAC standings: 5th place
Penny progression: 5th, COVID, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd

Pre-Ryan: 1st place
Silverfield: COVID, 7th-tie, 8th-tie, 4th

Not similar at all.

But at least Silverfield wins in the post-season.

(01-23-2024 04:29 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 12:39 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 02:12 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 02:18 PM)T-County Tiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:27 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  As much as I love Penny I'm beginning to wonder about him.

The days of rolling the ball out there and out-talenting everybody are long gone. Penny is a great recruiter, but terrible at managing a team.

think it is fun now? just wait till it's time for him to go and watch the crazies come out of the wood work. firing your most famous alumni won't be pretty and the university will suffer for it.

This. This was my initial hesitation to hiring Penny in the first place. The guy has his team playing at a high level, but anything less than a perfect season has fans bringing out the long knives. And we're not talking about firing a small-time Memphian. This would be like firing Elvis.

Oh, and the "He knew what he was getting into when he took the job", "He's well-compensated for his efforts" crowd...jeez.

Your post is a perfect example of the issues.

Some of you have created a Cult like status with Penny as our Jim Jones.

It isn't if he has succeeded or not.

It is that it is impossible to even have a discussion on if he's succeeded or not.

It's Finch 2.0

Truth was that Finch should've been let go after year 5, but because of his being a former star player he was given a pass.

Penny should be evaluated solely based on results and his history as a former player should not be part of the equation.

His job performance so far has been good.

He has come in and used the system to produce good results.

But there are a lot of cracks that are showing up.

His policy of allowing others to develop talent and then to pick the developed player up in the portal has risk.

The biggest is to try to get a bunch of players use to being the Alpha dog on their old team, to accept supportive roles.

This is difficult for seasoned successful coaches to do.

Much less a coach still trying to develop his coaching skills.

Having a veteran former head coach on the bench helps.

But not if they're leaving as soon as they're hired.

And not moving on to better jobs, just leaving to be leaving.

Ike doesn’t understand why anyone would want Penny Gone. The Dude can recruit and Ike believes Penny is a very good coach. A week ago we hung 112 on WSU and everyone was singing his praises.
TIGERNATION has a very good coach, please don’t run him off, especially with this transfer portal.

(01-23-2024 05:58 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Ike doesn’t understand why anyone would want Penny Gone. The Dude can recruit and Ike believes Penny is a very good coach. A week ago we hung 112 on WSU and everyone was singing his praises.
TIGERNATION has a very good coach, please don’t run him off, especially with this transfer portal.

Has ANYONE actually come out and said they wanted him gone?

All I've seen is discussion on the team being dysfunctional and the possible reasons behind it.

We have too many that believe just discussion of these issues makes you anti Tigers.

Penny has won at a 68% rate and that is above the program's 63% average.

But we have the makings of a TV reality show going on behind the scenes.

The powder keg is still unstable and any spark can touch it off.

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Having a veteran former head coach on the bench helps.

But not if they're leaving as soon as they're hired.

And not moving on to better jobs, just leaving to be leaving.
[/quote]

This is not entirely accurate.....Frank Haith left to help his friend at Texas
Cody left to go to LSU and is now coaching in the D-league.
Tony left because he wanted to coach his son and he took assistants and the DOB with him.
Mike Miller left to become an agent, maybe he left to be leaving.
Sam left because he didn't like the grind and to go back to NBA TV
Larry Brown is 83.
Rasheed wasn't going to follow COVID protocol.
Maybe Mike left to be leaving. But everyone else left to a P5 school or their own job.

Having a veteran former head coach on the bench helps.

But not if they're leaving as soon as they're hired.

And not moving on to better jobs, just leaving to be leaving.
[/quote]

This is not entirely accurate.....Frank Haith left to help his friend at Texas
Cody left to go to LSU and is now coaching in the D-league.
Tony left because he wanted to coach his son and he took assistants and the DOB with him.
Mike Miller left to become an agent, maybe he left to be leaving.
Sam left because he didn't like the grind and to go back to NBA TV
Larry Brown is 83.
Rasheed wasn't going to follow COVID protocol.
Maybe Mike left to be leaving. But everyone else left to a P5 school or their own job.
[/quote]

everyone at most a lateral move or step down,

(01-23-2024 08:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 07:04 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

Having a veteran former head coach on the bench helps.

But not if they're leaving as soon as they're hired.

And not moving on to better jobs, just leaving to be leaving.

This is not entirely accurate.....Frank Haith left to help his friend at Texas
Cody left to go to LSU and is now coaching in the D-league.
Tony left because he wanted to coach his son and he took assistants and the DOB with him.
Mike Miller left to become an agent, maybe he left to be leaving.
Sam left because he didn't like the grind and to go back to NBA TV
Larry Brown is 83.
Rasheed wasn't going to follow COVID protocol.
Maybe Mike left to be leaving. But everyone else left to a P5 school or their own job.
[/quote]

everyone at most a lateral move or step down,
[/quote]

Obviously you have never held a real job. That happens all the time in the real world and second you don't know if it they were lateral moves or not.

You just hate black coaches. That is a lot more obvious than you thank.

(01-24-2024 10:11 AM)Southaven Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 08:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 07:04 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

Having a veteran former head coach on the bench helps.

But not if they're leaving as soon as they're hired.

And not moving on to better jobs, just leaving to be leaving.

This is not entirely accurate.....Frank Haith left to help his friend at Texas
Cody left to go to LSU and is now coaching in the D-league.
Tony left because he wanted to coach his son and he took assistants and the DOB with him.
Mike Miller left to become an agent, maybe he left to be leaving.
Sam left because he didn't like the grind and to go back to NBA TV
Larry Brown is 83.
Rasheed wasn't going to follow COVID protocol.
Maybe Mike left to be leaving. But everyone else left to a P5 school or their own job.

everyone at most a lateral move or step down,
[/quote]

Obviously you have never held a real job. That happens all the time in the real world and second you don't know if it they were lateral moves or not.

You just hate black coaches. That is a lot more obvious than you thank.
[/quote]

There's a lot more behind the scenes with these departures. IYKYK

(01-24-2024 10:11 AM)Southaven Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 08:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 07:04 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

Having a veteran former head coach on the bench helps.

But not if they're leaving as soon as they're hired.

And not moving on to better jobs, just leaving to be leaving.

This is not entirely accurate.....Frank Haith left to help his friend at Texas
Cody left to go to LSU and is now coaching in the D-league.
Tony left because he wanted to coach his son and he took assistants and the DOB with him.
Mike Miller left to become an agent, maybe he left to be leaving.
Sam left because he didn't like the grind and to go back to NBA TV
Larry Brown is 83.
Rasheed wasn't going to follow COVID protocol.
Maybe Mike left to be leaving. But everyone else left to a P5 school or their own job.

everyone at most a lateral move or step down,
[/quote]

Obviously you have never held a real job. That happens all the time in the real world and second you don't know if it they were lateral moves or not.

You just hate black coaches. That is a lot more obvious than you thank.
[/quote]

Funny how he was ok with his hero Pastner having a revolving door and never hiring an experienced assistant. Yet he wants to call US cult members?