(12-29-2023 08:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 08:04 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 01:22 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 08:11 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 06:15 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Come on.

These bowl game are complete crapshoot.

Between coaching changes, portal, guys opting out, 3 weeks off, travel.

These are made for tv exhibition games. You never know what you are going to get in each one.

It has been and always be complete randomness in bowl games and is no reflection on the seasons the full teams had at all.

I wonder IF you’d describe them as “… made for TV exhibition games.” IF you’d won yours . . . And IF you really believe that they’re just “made for TV exhibition games,” why all that crying this season for an NY6 (or any other bowl game for that matter)?

Hypocrisy Much?

This is classic behavior of a front runner. Big deal while winning and downgrade any loss to ease the pain.

Except I’ve been calling them made for tv exhibitions all year, heck for the last decade.

But of course, you equate every comment from every jmu fan as if it’s coming from the same person all the time.
I expect that from an app fan who is so salty the school up north passed them in 2 years.

But the bobcat fan who has such a bone to pick with jmu is just weird. Must be mad about the Withers stink. Or that most people acrosss the country think of Texas State as a made up school in movies and not a real program.
Who knows, but his obseession with JMU is odd.

Don’t flatter yourself, there is no obsession. There is however distain for a Fanbase of Blowhards. A Fanbase that breaks its own arm patting itself on the back after a win, acting like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread ….

But after a loss, runs to “The Big Book of Excuses.”

Your team might be pretty good. But your Fanbase is small, petty, and classless.

Guess I’ll sit back now and wait for y’all to sic your State’s AG on me.

Ever met Charlotte or FAU fans? Half the actual on field results and 100 times the best team that ever existed attitude. Over the years I have seen many, many fans bases way worse than JMU.

I can actually only think of one time where a JMU fan said they were the best addition ever to the conference. That's the closest I can think of that they have come to being what you say. And it was exactly one fan....

Bobcat - come to JMU some time / for a game! We will buy all your beers until you repent a have a blast!

(12-29-2023 03:04 PM)MUther Wrote:  Bottom line is bowl games are not played with the same teams that played during the season and are not played with the teams that will be fielded the following season. They are a snapshot of a bastardized team for that bowl game, only. It is what it is. If people want to brag on or lament their conference's bowl season then that's fine, but to try to carry the results outside of that moment in time is futile. They just don't matter.

We've been to and won more bowl games than most in the last 25 years. We fired a coach who made a bowl every year except 2 for 11 years and won 8 of them because bowl games are not enough. Rankings and conference championships are what matter at this level. And for those hanging their hat on the desire for the access bowl, that is only sought after because it means you had the best overall G5 season and it comes with a lot of money and usually features a P5 opponent on a neutral field, which does not happen very often. So it's a special game and not one of those little crap bowls with a crap payout against another crap team, that barely breaks even on expenses and often is in the red.

Amen MUther.
With portal and top 3 round NFL picks sitting out, it has decimated most teams for bowl season.

What we should be excited about is that every post season bowl adds exposure and a little bit of money to the conference. Exciting games also help in our negotiations with sports networks. For the SBC to get 10 teams in bowls, it says 2 things; 1) we are competitive in our OOC schedule and 2) we are a talented, competitive and deep conference in regular season play.

(12-30-2023 12:09 PM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:04 PM)MUther Wrote:  Bottom line is bowl games are not played with the same teams that played during the season and are not played with the teams that will be fielded the following season. They are a snapshot of a bastardized team for that bowl game, only. It is what it is. If people want to brag on or lament their conference's bowl season then that's fine, but to try to carry the results outside of that moment in time is futile. They just don't matter.

We've been to and won more bowl games than most in the last 25 years. We fired a coach who made a bowl every year except 2 for 11 years and won 8 of them because bowl games are not enough. Rankings and conference championships are what matter at this level. And for those hanging their hat on the desire for the access bowl, that is only sought after because it means you had the best overall G5 season and it comes with a lot of money and usually features a P5 opponent on a neutral field, which does not happen very often. So it's a special game and not one of those little crap bowls with a crap payout against another crap team, that barely breaks even on expenses and often is in the red.

Amen MUther.
With portal and top 3 round NFL picks sitting out, it has decimated most teams for bowl season.

What we should be excited about is that every post season bowl adds exposure and a little bit of money to the conference. Exciting games also help in our negotiations with sports networks. For the SBC to get 10 teams in bowls, it says 2 things; 1) we are competitive in our OOC schedule and 2) we are a talented, competitive and deep conference in regular season play.

SBC had 12 teams in a bowl.

So
CUSA is probably 2-2 in bowls, most likely Liberty succumbs to Oregon but could be 3-1
MAC is 2-4
MWC is 3-4
AAC is 3-3

and of course we're 5-7 and we played in about 1/3 of the G5 bowls allotted for 5 conferences and had at least twice as many bowl teams as everyone but the MWC. No G5 conference set the world on fire, unless Liberty pulls off the miracle. We flip one of those OT games with CUSA and we're tied at 50% for best bowl win % in the G5. Just that close.

I watched the Toledo Wyo game. Three bad calls in the last two minutes cost Toledo the game. If Toledo wins the Sun Belt has the worst percentage of all the conferences in bowl games. We can sugarcoat that all we want, but this conference had some bad teams this year and Marshall was close to if not the worst. If we continue to toot our horn as the best, the bottom half needs to pick it up.[/font]

(12-30-2023 02:34 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 12:09 PM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:04 PM)MUther Wrote:  Bottom line is bowl games are not played with the same teams that played during the season and are not played with the teams that will be fielded the following season. They are a snapshot of a bastardized team for that bowl game, only. It is what it is. If people want to brag on or lament their conference's bowl season then that's fine, but to try to carry the results outside of that moment in time is futile. They just don't matter.

We've been to and won more bowl games than most in the last 25 years. We fired a coach who made a bowl every year except 2 for 11 years and won 8 of them because bowl games are not enough. Rankings and conference championships are what matter at this level. And for those hanging their hat on the desire for the access bowl, that is only sought after because it means you had the best overall G5 season and it comes with a lot of money and usually features a P5 opponent on a neutral field, which does not happen very often. So it's a special game and not one of those little crap bowls with a crap payout against another crap team, that barely breaks even on expenses and often is in the red.

Amen MUther.
With portal and top 3 round NFL picks sitting out, it has decimated most teams for bowl season.

What we should be excited about is that every post season bowl adds exposure and a little bit of money to the conference. Exciting games also help in our negotiations with sports networks. For the SBC to get 10 teams in bowls, it says 2 things; 1) we are competitive in our OOC schedule and 2) we are a talented, competitive and deep conference in regular season play.

SBC had 12 teams in a bowl.

Yeah. Sorry.

(12-31-2023 09:01 AM)herdfifteen Wrote:  I watched the Toledo Wyo game. Three bad calls in the last two minutes cost Toledo the game. If Toledo wins the Sun Belt has the worst percentage of all the conferences in bowl games. We can sugarcoat that all we want, but this conference had some bad teams this year and Marshall was close to if not the worst. If we continue to toot our horn as the best, the bottom half needs to pick it up.[/font]

We had some bad teams, but other conferences clearly had worse ones. It’s not all going be cream of the crop when you send 12 out of 14 out to play.

The telling part is how our bottom-half guys were playing their top-half guys in some of these bowl losses, and 2 of them went into OT.

(12-31-2023 01:09 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 09:01 AM)herdfifteen Wrote:  I watched the Toledo Wyo game. Three bad calls in the last two minutes cost Toledo the game. If Toledo wins the Sun Belt has the worst percentage of all the conferences in bowl games. We can sugarcoat that all we want, but this conference had some bad teams this year and Marshall was close to if not the worst. If we continue to toot our horn as the best, the bottom half needs to pick it up.[/font]

We had some bad teams, but other conferences clearly had worse ones. It’s not all going be cream of the crop when you send 12 out of 14 out to play.

The telling part is how our bottom-half guys were playing their top-half guys in some of these bowl losses, and 2 of them went into OT.

Well yeah, they didn't go deep enough into their conference to get to bad teams. That's the whole point. That's why we won before the bowl games were ever played. 12 out of 14 teams had at least break-even records. That's unheard of. It's also impossible without a dominating OOC showing. We'd already kicked all the a$$ we needed to before bowl season even started.

(12-31-2023 09:01 AM)herdfifteen Wrote:  I watched the Toledo Wyo game. Three bad calls in the last two minutes cost Toledo the game. If Toledo wins the Sun Belt has the worst percentage of all the conferences in bowl games. We can sugarcoat that all we want, but this conference had some bad teams this year and Marshall was close to if not the worst. If we continue to toot our horn as the best, the bottom half needs to pick it up.[/font]

We were the best by every measurement except bowl wins. No one else had a plethora of 6-6 teams for bowls because no one else had the OOC portion of their schedule go nearly as well. We had 6-6 teams vs 8 or better win teams with very few exceptions. And still, we almost broke even. That's not sugar-coating, it's just a fact. If we hadn't had those teams eligible other conferences would have dipped into their 5-7 teams to fill the bowls and their bowl records would have been crap. We prevented that from occurring by filling a quarter of all bowls with one conference. Start filling our worst eligible teams with their 5-7 teams and these bowl records look very different in deed.

Never in my time watching college football have I ever seen a non-power conference fill the most bowl slots. This may never happen again. Enjoy it. I'd rather see my team playing in a bowl that we're not worthy than to be sitting home at 8-4.

So, our 6-6 teams finished 1-5. Our teams with winning records finished 4-2.

Is it better that we only accept 6 bowls instead of 12? That way we can give up 18 extra weeks of practice and keep around 480 players at home instead of enjoying a post season experience.