(12-01-2023 12:35 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:34 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:31 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:21 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Another name = Steve McAdoo

I know MT has spoken to him

Hard pass for me

Most likely a courtesy interview.

Love me some McAdoo though. Still lives in M'boro in the off-season.

I wouldn’t mind him on staff just not the HC.

Yeah, I didn't say I wanted him, but I do know through the coconut telegraph that they've spoken.

Worried about the UT guy not head-coaching for 6 years, and that was at a SWAC program (and yet another Carolina place-- we need to avoid Carolina like the plague).

Memphis roots is not Middle Tennessee. Might as well be in Arkansas.

Another name is Todd Bates out of Oklahoma. I don't know about his interest, but he knows the area well, and has some local folks pulling for him. Bates played for BAMA and is an author of a book about The Tide https://www.amazon.com/Bama-Way-Profiles...0794833020

Pete Garcia was our real problem. Cristobal was going to leave soon either way so it’s not really a big deal.

On MTSU, I’d lean toward Simmons.

(12-01-2023 12:09 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  It is worth noting Mack was a HC at NCCU in the FCS. He went 31-15 and won the MEAC championship 3 out of 4 years.

Any perceived success from a SWAC or MEAC school is fools gold. The only reason he’s even on the list is because of McPhee. And I say this is a UT alum. That should tell you all you need to know.

Moreover why are we even looking at a position coach? The goat toppers can hire a coordinator from Tennessee, but we have to go down to a position coach? Again, think about our McPhee problem. If Mac is the hire, we will be doing this again soon.

(12-01-2023 12:40 PM)2009panther Wrote:  Pete Garcia was our real problem. Cristobal was going to leave soon either way so it’s not really a big deal.

On MTSU, I’d lean toward Simmons.

True That.

Garcia was just horrid. He set you guys back ten years.

(12-01-2023 12:40 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:35 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:34 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:31 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:21 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Another name = Steve McAdoo

I know MT has spoken to him

Hard pass for me

Most likely a courtesy interview.

Love me some McAdoo though. Still lives in M'boro in the off-season.

I wouldn’t mind him on staff just not the HC.

Yeah, I didn't say I wanted him, but I do know through the coconut telegraph that they've spoken.

Worried about the UT guy not head-coaching for 6 years, and that was at a SWAC program (and yet another Carolina place-- we need to avoid Carolina like the plague).

Memphis roots is not Middle Tennessee. Might as well be in Arkansas.

Another name is Todd Bates out of Oklahoma. I don't know about his interest, but he knows the area well, and has some local folks pulling for him. Bates played for BAMA and is an author of a book about The Tide https://www.amazon.com/Bama-Way-Profiles...0794833020

Todd was at JSU for awhile and is a good guy.

(12-01-2023 12:50 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:09 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  It is worth noting Mack was a HC at NCCU in the FCS. He went 31-15 and won the MEAC championship 3 out of 4 years.

Any perceived success from a SWAC or MEAC school is fools gold. The only reason he’s even on the list is because of McPhee. And I say this is a UT alum. That should tell you all you need to know.

Moreover why are we even looking at a position coach? The goat toppers can hire a coordinator from Tennessee, but we have to go down to a position coach? Again, think about our McPhee problem. If Mac is the hire, we will be doing this again soon.

I don’t necessary disagree with you on the MEAC being weak but he did do well there. Tim Banks has been discussed but I’d rather have Mack. Banks does nothing for me even though he is a P5 DC.

You have to have a black guy in the candidate pool and to interview one guy. Mack is that guy. He is local. It is an easy interview.

If they actually hire him, it is because they think he can get them over the hump in recruiting and they might get a little help with the NCAA with the hire in some form or another.

It is basically just a token candidacy.

(12-02-2023 11:34 AM)R40 Wrote:  You have to have a black guy in the candidate pool and to interview one guy. Mack is that guy. He is local. It is an easy interview.

If they actually hire him, it is because they think he can get them over the hump in recruiting and they might get a little help with the NCAA with the hire in some form or another.

It is basically just a token candidacy.

I don't think this is the case. I have very good sources that the Univ wants a black coach (and getting roasted for bringing it up on our board). I think he's going to be the guy and don't think it's token at all. He's well respected as an up and comer.

Even though he was head coach previously with NC Central, I would feel better about it he had a little more coordinator experience. His offenses at Rice only ranked 124th in '18 and 123rd in '19 and the only other year was the pandemic year, so not sure we can take much from that.

(12-02-2023 12:46 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 11:34 AM)R40 Wrote:  You have to have a black guy in the candidate pool and to interview one guy. Mack is that guy. He is local. It is an easy interview.

If they actually hire him, it is because they think he can get them over the hump in recruiting and they might get a little help with the NCAA with the hire in some form or another.

It is basically just a token candidacy.

I don't think this is the case. I have very good sources that the Univ wants a black coach (and getting roasted for bringing it up on our board). I think he's going to be the guy and don't think it's token at all. He's well respected as an up and comer.

Even though he was head coach previously with NC Central, I would feel better about it he had a little more coordinator experience. His offenses at Rice only ranked 123rd in '19 and the only other year was the pandemic year, so not sure we can take much from that.

It is a legit strategy and that is why I said it may be part of what they want to do. But it checks both boxes.

At this point, it is kind of something to try if you are MTSU to try to get an advantage when its getting tough.

(12-01-2023 01:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:40 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:35 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:34 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:31 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Hard pass for me

Most likely a courtesy interview.

Love me some McAdoo though. Still lives in M'boro in the off-season.

I wouldn’t mind him on staff just not the HC.

Yeah, I didn't say I wanted him, but I do know through the coconut telegraph that they've spoken.

Worried about the UT guy not head-coaching for 6 years, and that was at a SWAC program (and yet another Carolina place-- we need to avoid Carolina like the plague).

Memphis roots is not Middle Tennessee. Might as well be in Arkansas.

Another name is Todd Bates out of Oklahoma. I don't know about his interest, but he knows the area well, and has some local folks pulling for him. Bates played for BAMA and is an author of a book about The Tide https://www.amazon.com/Bama-Way-Profiles...0794833020

Todd was at JSU for awhile and is a good guy.

I would be so happy for them if they hired Bates. Fantastic guy.

(12-01-2023 12:50 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 12:09 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  It is worth noting Mack was a HC at NCCU in the FCS. He went 31-15 and won the MEAC championship 3 out of 4 years.

Any perceived success from a SWAC or MEAC school is fools gold. The only reason he’s even on the list is because of McPhee. And I say this is a UT alum. That should tell you all you need to know.

Moreover why are we even looking at a position coach? The goat toppers can hire a coordinator from Tennessee, but we have to go down to a position coach? Again, think about our McPhee problem. If Mac is the hire, we will be doing this again soon.

I agree regarding coaches from the SWAC, MEAC, or others at the lower half of FCS in competitiveness. I’ve seen many head coaches do well at programs from those conferences then struggle when making the jump to conferences at the FBS G5/D1 mid-major level. This applies to multiple sports.

With coaches from the weaker conferences (including Simmons at FAMU) I think it’s important to look at how their teams have performed, on average, against teams from tougher conferences. Simmons’ record is not good. Maybe he should try proving himself at a stronger FCS conference first.

(12-02-2023 12:46 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 11:34 AM)R40 Wrote:  You have to have a black guy in the candidate pool and to interview one guy. Mack is that guy. He is local. It is an easy interview.

If they actually hire him, it is because they think he can get them over the hump in recruiting and they might get a little help with the NCAA with the hire in some form or another.

It is basically just a token candidacy.

I don't think this is the case. I have very good sources that the Univ wants a black coach (and getting roasted for bringing it up on our board). I think he's going to be the guy and don't think it's token at all. He's well respected as an up and comer.

Even though he was head coach previously with NC Central, I would feel better about it he had a little more coordinator experience. His offenses at Rice only ranked 124th in '18 and 123rd in '19 and the only other year was the pandemic year, so not sure we can take much from that.

You don't need coordinator experience if you are willing to hire good coordinators and let them do their thing...and hold them accountable. CEO coaches can win at a high level.

(12-02-2023 12:46 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 11:34 AM)R40 Wrote:  You have to have a black guy in the candidate pool and to interview one guy. Mack is that guy. He is local. It is an easy interview.

If they actually hire him, it is because they think he can get them over the hump in recruiting and they might get a little help with the NCAA with the hire in some form or another.

It is basically just a token candidacy.

I don't think this is the case. I have very good sources that the Univ wants a black coach (and getting roasted for bringing it up on our board). I think he's going to be the guy and don't think it's token at all. He's well respected as an up and comer.

Even though he was head coach previously with NC Central, I would feel better about it he had a little more coordinator experience. His offenses at Rice only ranked 124th in '18 and 123rd in '19 and the only other year was the pandemic year, so not sure we can take much from that.

I wouldn’t necessarily hold those 2018/19 results against him. The perception was that he was really under direction to implement the HC’s offensive system/philosophy.

The new OC brought his own system (with better results) and now the HC at Rice has taken on more of that executive role.

I don't care if our new HC is the color Green. Just hire one who:

1. Inspires alumni base & 300,000 folks who live in Rutherford County.
2. Knows how to hold a press conference without looking miserable.
3. Meets /Greets all High School FB coaches in-state & recruits some of the great local talent.
4. works Transfer Portal & JC Route.
5. Can recruit a working and energetic staff & holds all assistant coaches accountable.
6. knows how to coach ball.

(12-04-2023 09:41 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I don't care if our new HC is the color Green. Just hire one who:

1. Inspires alumni base & 300,000 folks who live in Rutherford County.
2. Knows how to hold a press conference without looking miserable.
3. Meets /Greets all High School FB coaches in-state & recruits some of the great local talent.
4. works Transfer Portal & JC Route.
5. Can recruit a working and energetic staff & holds all assistant coaches accountable.
6. knows how to coach ball.

7. Gets out in the community and is not a hermit (I guess that falls under #1)

(12-04-2023 09:41 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I don't care if our new HC is the color Green. Just hire one who:

1. Inspires alumni base & 300,000 folks who live in Rutherford County.
2. Knows how to hold a press conference without looking miserable.
3. Meets /Greets all High School FB coaches in-state & recruits some of the great local talent.
4. works Transfer Portal & JC Route.
5. Can recruit a working and energetic staff & holds all assistant coaches accountable.
6. knows how to coach ball.

I think effective use of the portal is very important in this day and age of college football. That is something Stockstill did not do very well; I can't remember nabbing a high quality prospect transferring from a P5 team, I may be missing some though.

(12-04-2023 10:07 AM)tyler90wm Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 09:41 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I don't care if our new HC is the color Green. Just hire one who:

1. Inspires alumni base & 300,000 folks who live in Rutherford County.
2. Knows how to hold a press conference without looking miserable.
3. Meets /Greets all High School FB coaches in-state & recruits some of the great local talent.
4. works Transfer Portal & JC Route.
5. Can recruit a working and energetic staff & holds all assistant coaches accountable.
6. knows how to coach ball.

I think effective use of the portal is very important in this day and age of college football. That is something Stockstill did not do very well; I can't remember nabbing a high quality prospect transferring from a P5 team, I may be missing some though.

I’Tavius Mathers from Ole Miss

Not an expert in all of those areas, but Todd Bates should be seriously considered. My bet he would be able to handle that list.

Good recruiter doesn't always travel when you are recruiting to a upper P5 school compared to the G5. The most important TOOL for the new head coach to have is being around and KNOWING a proven fast pace system and running that. Could be passing or running but stick to a proven system....

knowing and being able to SPOT the type of talent that works best with that system. Might not be the most talented player but perfect for the system you are running.

Then hiring asst coaches that can spot talent to that system...

should be #1, #2, #3

Screw he's a "good guy" if you want to win its all about SYSTEM and knowing the talent it takes to run it. Then go out and actually run that system.

Any updates? Rumors?