Fitting end to a massively disappointing season.


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I like playing for the win but since London did it i think it was a terrible coaching decision. I have to be consistent.

I like playing to win there too. 99% of teams/coaches/fans are going to say that's the right call. All the momentum, UR on their heels, not many "real" stakes to play for. But just like the rest of the season I was disappointed by the playcall, nervous with Wilson having the ball/game in his hands, and disappointed by the OLine.

Tough way to end the season, but you know what would have been tougher? If the guys had rolled over in the 4th and called it quits down by 10. Proud that they fought back and gave us an instant classic of a rivalry that never disappoints.

Beautiful day for a game. Really happy to take my family out to one at Zable this year. Super disappointing ending. Love being aggressive and going for 2 but then to end up with a completely broken play for the conversion is maddening.

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A tough lost to end a tough season.


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It was the right call to go for two. If nothing else, it made that Red Wave on the other side of the stadium poop in their pants for a moment thinking that there season was about to go into the toilet.

At least there is a bright side. At least we will not spend all night crying in our left over purple streamers!! Go Appy State!!

(11-18-2023 03:20 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  I can’t take it anymore. The most undisciplined team there is. And London nothing. It just keeps happening.

Right you are....year after year. The refs are on to us now and we're not ever going to get any breaks from the officials as long as London is head coach.

(11-18-2023 03:21 PM)TheRealTribe Wrote:  How do we get hosed by the refs at home?

Are you kidding? See comment immediately above.

(11-18-2023 03:27 PM)TheRealTribe Wrote:  

(11-18-2023 03:24 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  Spiking ball is a penalty. ...

...and slams the ball in celebration. ...And yeah, it is a weak call by the ref.

What's even more weak is that Richmond scored right after that and their receiver spiked the ball...but no call.

(11-18-2023 03:46 PM)TheRealTribe Wrote:  Not great timeout management by London, but also not great effort by the defense.

London apparently doesn't know that you generally don't burn your first timeout when the offense just got 6 on first down.

(11-18-2023 04:12 PM)Rocco Wrote:  I like playing for the win but since London did it i think it was a terrible coaching decision. I have to be consistent.

Hilarious! When UR went up by 10 and the UR fans were being jerks I joked to my seatmate that the Tribe would come back, go for 2, and win it. So after having said that, the team HAD to go for it. However, other than that, the right move was to kick it and win in overtime. When you go for 2 and fail...you lose. Go for 1 and you have a whole series to score and also a whole series to stop the other team. It doesn't rely on just one play. And like TheRealTribe said, we put the ball in Darius's hands. We should have done a little over-the-top pass just like we just did to score the TD. Anything but allow Darius to improvise and to allow time for the refs to call holding.

(11-18-2023 04:18 PM)TheRealTribe Wrote:  I like playing to win there too. 99% of teams/coaches/fans are going to say that's the right call. All the momentum, UR on their heels ...

I disagree about the momentum. The momentum would have applied more over several plays (series) in overtime than for just one play. We had no reason to go for the win there. You do that when you are overmatched and you think that the one play is absolutely your best chance to win. We were at least equal and WE had the momentum. I remember last year Rhode Island went for 2 on the last play against us and we stopped them. They also had all the momentum and wasted it. That loss was probably what kept them out of the playoffs last year.

(11-18-2023 06:34 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  It was the right call to go for two. If nothing else, it made that Red Wave on the other side of the stadium poop in their pants for a moment thinking that there season was about to go into the toilet.

Man, I really wanted to win just to shut those guys up!! Yes, they got really quiet there at the end. Then after the last play their players ran all the way up the field and looked like they were going to run up our tunnel. What was that chant the UR fans were shouting? It sounded like "Ee-lon".

To me, the last play of the season was our entire season in a microcosm. We had a blown play (instead of keeping it fast and simple), we had a penalty, and we had the receiver catch the ball ON THE ONE YARD LINE (after the QB didn't see him wide open for an eternity). The receiver could have at least caught it in the end zone. Then UR would have had to accept the holding penalty...the ball would have been moved 10 yards back....and presumably (that's a big presumption) London would have been smart enough there to then kick the tying extra point.

Darius Wilson was way too slow making his reads. I saw open Tribe receivers on practically every play that Wilson wound up tucking it and running for 2 yards (or less). He only looked decent near the end when he HAD to throw and didn't have time to overthink it (which was another reason I hated the call on the last play....don't give Darius time to overthink anything). Lastly, I am more disappointed in this season than I have been in seasons where the Tribe went 2-9 or 3-8. So much talent just wasted. With all that talent, 6-5 is just not acceptable.

(11-18-2023 07:44 PM)Zorch Wrote:  When you go for 2 and fail...you lose. Go for 1 and you have a whole series to score and also a whole series to stop the other team.

You basically just made the entire argument for why you should go for it there. You can either win the game by winning on one play, or win the game by winning on 8 straight plays. Ask JMU about how that goes, even when you're the better team.

We would have been a different team this season if Mathis would have been a WR starting last spring practice through the beginning of the season. Having Kendrick would have made a huge difference too, but he missed the last seven games just like Yoder.

(11-19-2023 07:50 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(11-18-2023 07:44 PM)Zorch Wrote:  When you go for 2 and fail...you lose. Go for 1 and you have a whole series to score and also a whole series to stop the other team.

You basically just made the entire argument for why you should go for it there. You can either win the game by winning on one play, or win the game by winning on 8 straight plays. Ask JMU about how that goes, even when you're the better team.

I don’t know any details about the JMU game except that they lost in OT. I’ll assume that they went for 1 to go to overtime? Anyway, your premise about having to win on 8 straight plays is where you are off. You don’t have to win every play…you can even lose yardage on a play(s)…just as long as you win the series. Even if you are on defense first and screw up by giving up a TD you still have a chance to recover. By going for 2 you have no margin for error. With W&M, this year, we needed a margin for error.

(11-19-2023 08:57 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  We would have been a different team this season if Mathis would have been a WR starting last spring practice through the beginning of the season. Having Kendrick would have made a huge difference too, but he missed the last seven games just like Yoder.

Yeah, Mathis was definitely the best Tribe player on the field yesterday.

(11-19-2023 09:08 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 07:50 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(11-18-2023 07:44 PM)Zorch Wrote:  When you go for 2 and fail...you lose. Go for 1 and you have a whole series to score and also a whole series to stop the other team.

You basically just made the entire argument for why you should go for it there. You can either win the game by winning on one play, or win the game by winning on 8 straight plays. Ask JMU about how that goes, even when you're the better team.

I don’t know any details about the JMU game except that they lost in OT. I’ll assume that they went for 1 to go to overtime? Anyway, your premise about having to win on 8 straight plays is where you are off. You don’t have to win every play…you can even lose yardage on a play(s)…just as long as you win the series. Even if you are on defense first and screw up by giving up a TD you still have a chance to recover. By going for 2 you have no margin for error. With W&M, this year, we needed a margin for error.

JMU was down 8 on their final drive. They had to go for two to tie it in regulation.

(11-19-2023 09:08 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 07:50 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(11-18-2023 07:44 PM)Zorch Wrote:  When you go for 2 and fail...you lose. Go for 1 and you have a whole series to score and also a whole series to stop the other team.

You basically just made the entire argument for why you should go for it there. You can either win the game by winning on one play, or win the game by winning on 8 straight plays. Ask JMU about how that goes, even when you're the better team.

I don’t know any details about the JMU game except that they lost in OT. I’ll assume that they went for 1 to go to overtime? Anyway, your premise about having to win on 8 straight plays is where you are off. You don’t have to win every play…you can even lose yardage on a play(s)…just as long as you win the series. Even if you are on defense first and screw up by giving up a TD you still have a chance to recover. By going for 2 you have no margin for error. With W&M, this year, we needed a margin for error.

JMU lost in OT despite being at home, the better team, and having momentum, because none of that matters in OT. It's a coin toss.

The number of plays in OT is irrelevant so long as you agree it's more than one play. What's more likely- being better on one play, or being better on more than one play? Is the goal to win the game, or is the goal to lose slower than your opponent in the hope he loses first?

(11-19-2023 12:49 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 09:08 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 07:50 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(11-18-2023 07:44 PM)Zorch Wrote:  When you go for 2 and fail...you lose. Go for 1 and you have a whole series to score and also a whole series to stop the other team.

You basically just made the entire argument for why you should go for it there. You can either win the game by winning on one play, or win the game by winning on 8 straight plays. Ask JMU about how that goes, even when you're the better team.

I don’t know any details about the JMU game except that they lost in OT. I’ll assume that they went for 1 to go to overtime? Anyway, your premise about having to win on 8 straight plays is where you are off. You don’t have to win every play…you can even lose yardage on a play(s)…just as long as you win the series. Even if you are on defense first and screw up by giving up a TD you still have a chance to recover. By going for 2 you have no margin for error. With W&M, this year, we needed a margin for error.

JMU lost in OT despite being at home, the better team, and having momentum, because none of that matters in OT. It's a coin toss.

The number of plays in OT is irrelevant so long as you agree it's more than one play. What's more likely- being better on one play, or being better on more than one play? Is the goal to win the game, or is the goal to lose slower than your opponent in the hope he loses first?

I understand your logic. I guess another way of looking at it is: would you rather the Tribe have just one chance at getting lucky or have at least four chances? To your last point: never underestimate your opponent’s chances to screw up and lose in a protracted contest.

Re JMU: it sounds like they had every variable going in their favor. They probably felt very confident going into OT…but sometimes the other team just plays better in OT.