(12-13-2023 03:12 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 02:21 PM)inutech Wrote:  If it is eliminated.

I don't think we'd play a 22 game regular season, but the Big East and Big West seem to play round robin with 11 teams (as did CUSA last season with 11 and I assume once we're back to 11 again).

By the way, quite a few more conferences with 11 teams than I would have assumed. It's such a silly number, but I guess it works well for basketball.

With 12, the trend seems to be 18 games (which we could have had if we had stayed at 10, I feel obligated to point out). So you wouldn't have the longer trip every year, but most years you would. And some years you'd get the NMSU/UTEP swing plus the UMass/Del swing. Over years, overall travel costs go up. They have to.

If you want to wave this away as "it's not that much money" that's fine - but less money is worse than more money. So what's coming in return? Is it financial? How much? Is it some vague "vibes" thing? Is it a tangible benefit? What cancels that "minimal" cost out? If it's so low, it shouldn't take much. But there ought to be something. I admit that none of us will have the information to put a number on any of this, so there isn't an answer in either direction. We just don't know.

Agree that cost for travel will go up. Feel the real difference in travel cost is between busing and flying. Yes, airfares could be higher and acknowledge your point. Idk, if divisional or pod scheduling can minimize the increased costs, compared to possible media contracts etc. As the MTSU/WKU were valued for the MAC, think Del/UMass has some media value.

We are going to invest and already beat NMSU, healthy. Our basketball net is under 100, so conference wise, we'd pull our weight as will Delaware. That is the tyin to this thread of adding Delaware and acknowledging the travel cost and how it would increase with UMass.

PS. Kind of sorry I posted this, and we started rehashing this stuff, apologies.

Just read that the A10 is getting a 40% increase in media money. Is that enough to keep UMass football indy?

(12-14-2023 02:41 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 03:12 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 02:21 PM)inutech Wrote:  If it is eliminated.

I don't think we'd play a 22 game regular season, but the Big East and Big West seem to play round robin with 11 teams (as did CUSA last season with 11 and I assume once we're back to 11 again).

By the way, quite a few more conferences with 11 teams than I would have assumed. It's such a silly number, but I guess it works well for basketball.

With 12, the trend seems to be 18 games (which we could have had if we had stayed at 10, I feel obligated to point out). So you wouldn't have the longer trip every year, but most years you would. And some years you'd get the NMSU/UTEP swing plus the UMass/Del swing. Over years, overall travel costs go up. They have to.

If you want to wave this away as "it's not that much money" that's fine - but less money is worse than more money. So what's coming in return? Is it financial? How much? Is it some vague "vibes" thing? Is it a tangible benefit? What cancels that "minimal" cost out? If it's so low, it shouldn't take much. But there ought to be something. I admit that none of us will have the information to put a number on any of this, so there isn't an answer in either direction. We just don't know.

Agree that cost for travel will go up. Feel the real difference in travel cost is between busing and flying. Yes, airfares could be higher and acknowledge your point. Idk, if divisional or pod scheduling can minimize the increased costs, compared to possible media contracts etc. As the MTSU/WKU were valued for the MAC, think Del/UMass has some media value.

We are going to invest and already beat NMSU, healthy. Our basketball net is under 100, so conference wise, we'd pull our weight as will Delaware. That is the tyin to this thread of adding Delaware and acknowledging the travel cost and how it would increase with UMass.

PS. Kind of sorry I posted this, and we started rehashing this stuff, apologies.

Just read that the A10 is getting a 40% increase in media money. Is that enough to keep UMass football indy?

The strategic plan is about the future of UMass athletics. No and you mis-read things. https://atlantic10.com/news/2023/12/13/a...ports.aspx

Quote:Terms

• Five-year agreement
• 2024-25 athletic season through 2028-29 athletic season
Finances

• Not Disclosed
• Provides a significant increase in the Conference’s television rights fees

The right fees went up 40% but from what and what is the contract worth. Ah, some spin.

UMass makes about $5 million on basketball so add another couple of million. A million here. A million there. No biggie.

Wrong again R40. The men's basketball program is losing 3M a year. Matt Brown got the figures from the NCAA for 2022 and then the conference money, 25% share for the men's divided by close to 15 teams. The women's are at 75% share as had a NCAA bid for 2022.

(12-15-2023 12:01 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Wrong again R40. The men's basketball program is losing 3M a year. Matt Brown got the figures from the NCAA for 2022 and then the conference money, 25% share for the men's divided by close to 15 teams. The women's are at 75% share as had a NCAA bid for 2022.

R40 acting like he knows your school better than the people that actually follow it. Classic

(12-15-2023 12:01 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Wrong again R40. The men's basketball program is losing 3M a year. Matt Brown got the figures from the NCAA for 2022 and then the conference money, 25% share for the men's divided by close to 15 teams. The women's are at 75% share as had a NCAA bid for 2022.

Nobody is losing 3M per year playing college basketball with a television contract. How much do you think they are going to lose in CUSA going from 7 million to 1 million.

Yeah, nobody here knows one damn thing about their program.

(12-15-2023 10:57 AM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 12:01 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Wrong again R40. The men's basketball program is losing 3M a year. Matt Brown got the figures from the NCAA for 2022 and then the conference money, 25% share for the men's divided by close to 15 teams. The women's are at 75% share as had a NCAA bid for 2022.

Nobody is losing 3M per year playing college basketball with a television contract. How much do you think they are going to lose in CUSA going from 7 million to 1 million.

Yeah, nobody here knows one damn thing about their program.

OK, yeah, I will take my first loss here. The whole contract is worth $5 million so they have a terrible deal. So basically, they will make 500K on this deal and 500K in CUSA more or less.

No way they are losing 3M though. They have been playing basketball since 1900. I don't think they just started losing money.

They make $8 million per year in donations.

I can see why this is a pretty tough negotiation. The CUSA deal is basically for football. So UMass is kind of giving away its basketball deal if they move over. Obviously, they should try to get the football share and play basketball in the A10. But this is something donors can easily fund if they want to.

The bigger problem for UMass is they can make a lot more money with their present schedules in football so it is a lose-lose situation. They cannot do anything but lose money on the deal. They should just focus on playing independent football and improving their NIL.

The wildcard in all of this is the CFP payout which is what UMass is really interested in. That is the game changer. Apparently it is going to be about $5 million per school every year. That is a lot of money to be missing out on forever.

But they are probably going to lose a couple of million chasing it and how much is ruining all of your other sports worth for a few million when you already get $8 million from your donors.