With a lot of these people in this conference, unless you go undefeated in your transaction year and only lose like 3 games in your first 5 years in FBS, the program is seen as unsuccessful and was not ready to move up from FCS. It is just ridiculous stupid. I feel like there are a lot of fans of these teams whom will not be happy with anything. They have the Tennessee problem. You better win the SEC Championship within your first 2 years of taking over the team or your fired.

A successful record in FCS is different than FBS. Three loses will keep you out of the playoffs in FCS while 3 losses in FBS would get you a decent bowl. Being a fan of a recent move up it will take some time to readjust the brain.

Kennessaw St worse add than UNCC few years back. Play in a high school gym and will bring nothing to CUSA>

(10-08-2023 09:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I’d love for EKU to be in CUSA!

Never to UK East.

(10-09-2023 08:09 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 09:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I’d love for EKU to be in CUSA!

Never to UK East.

But it’s not even UK East. At best it would be UK South Campus.
That’s the thing about universities in the commonwealth of Kentucky, only three of them are named correctly. University of Kentucky, which is basically centrally located, University of Louisville, which is in fact in the city of Louisville, and Northern Kentucky, which truly is on the northern border of the state.
The rest of the schools have their geography mixed up.
-WKU should actually be Southern Kentucky University.
-Murray St. should be WKU.
-EKU should be Central (Middle) Kentucky University.
-Morehead St. should be EKU.
-Truth be told, UPike should be EKU. I didn’t know till this year UPike wasn’t a state school, but rather a private.
-Oh yeah, Kentucky State University is named correctly, since it’s in the state capitol.

(10-09-2023 08:24 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 08:09 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 09:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I’d love for EKU to be in CUSA!

Never to UK East.

But it’s not even UK East. At best it would be UK South Campus.
That’s the thing about universities in the commonwealth of Kentucky, only three of them are named correctly. University of Kentucky, which is basically centrally located, University of Louisville, which is in fact in the city of Louisville, and Northern Kentucky, which truly is on the northern border of the state.
The rest of the schools have their geography mixed up.
-WKU should actually be Southern Kentucky University.
-Murray St. should be WKU.
-EKU should be Central (Middle) Kentucky University.
-Morehead St. should be EKU.
-Truth be told, UPike should be EKU. I didn’t know till this year UPike wasn’t a state school, but rather a private.
-Oh yeah, Kentucky State University is named correctly, since it’s in the state capitol.

WKU would be South Central Kentucky University.

(10-08-2023 03:42 PM)bigbelly Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 03:01 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-07-2023 11:41 PM)JSU02 Wrote:  You're saying it didn't work well for Western, it doesn't appear to have worked for Sam, and I suspect it won't work for Kennesaw. Has this method ever worked for anyone?

App State and Marshall were off to the races immediately after FCS transition.

I think you just made my point: App State and Marshall were strong teams before they transitioned; Kennesaw State was not. If the Owls have a coach who thinks he can win by retaining his best players from a 5-6 FCS team, then you may have a coach who's not ready to recruit at the FBS level.

App Redshirted a whole swath of players during transition to FBS. The 2013 season (last FCS scheduling year) was App's worst record in decades at 4-8. Then 2014 (the first FBS scheduling year) it was a little better at 7-5 (but still with a lose to FCS Liberty in OT). It wasn't all fireworks.


KSU's current season doesn't mean they're DOA.

Been pondering this “question”. It’s really, like, 3-4 questions but that’s okay.

How bad is this KSU team? Probably the worst since the early years of the program. I haven’t seen KSU this down since before 2017.

Certainly have more doubts than confirmations about the redshirting method right now. So for KSU, who hasn’t had elite-level FCS teams over the past couple of years, and is undergoing a complete offensive overhaul, I think concerns about their abilities to compete within the first couple of years is valid. How might that impact their abilities to build a successful program in the FBS? To draw more than 4,000 fans at games and get more attention in GA? To improve facilities? Who knows.

CUSA is inviting Kennesaw State, the school in north ATL with 40,000 students. NOT KSU, the 2023 football team. The roster building methods they employ during transition does not define their success as an FBS program. That’ll take a few years to determine. They need to develop.

Kennesaw is likely the most unprepared FBS call-up of all time, although SHSU isn’t far behind. Both would’ve benefited from more time in the FCS. But you have to take the invite when you get it, I guess. KSU has shown the ability to field a strong team in the FCS. Adding both schools were big swings by CUSA. Give it a few years. We’ll know if they hit or struck out soon enough.

(10-09-2023 11:31 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Been pondering this “question”. It’s really, like, 3-4 questions but that’s okay.

How bad is this KSU team? Probably the worst since the early years of the program. I haven’t seen KSU this down since before.

Certainly have more doubts than confirmations about the redshirting method right now. So for KSU, who hasn’t had elite-level FCS teams over the past couple of years, and is undergoing a complete offensive overhaul, I think concerns about their abilities to compete within the first couple of years is valid. How might that impact their abilities to build a successful program in the FBS? To draw more than 4,000 fans at games and get more attention in GA? To improve facilities? Who knows.

CUSA is inviting Kennesaw State, the school in north ATL with 40,000 students. NOT KSU, the 2023 football team. The roster building methods they employ during transition does not define their success as an FBS program. That’ll take a few years to determine. They need to develop.

Kennesaw is likely the most unprepared FBS call-up of all time, although SHSU isn’t far behind. Both would’ve benefited from more time in the FCS. But you have to take the invite when you get it, I guess. KSU has shown the ability to field a strong team in the FCS. Adding both schools were big swings by CUSA. Give it a few years. We’ll know if they hit or struck out soon enough.

Doesnt matter if you have 60k students like FIU, doesnt matter. You would think Judy and presidents would know this. Hell Furman would have been a better add..

(10-09-2023 08:24 AM)army56mike Wrote:  ...Northern Kentucky, which truly is on the northern border of the state.

Otherwise known as the University of Southern Cincinnati.

(10-08-2023 11:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  The constant bashing of KSU is silly and getting old. Discuss…

Nonsense. Bashing KSU never gets old.

In all seriousness, though... I do think they got their FBS invitation just a couple years too early. This is not to say they'll be a permanent slog on CUSA -- they won't be -- but they're way behind on facilities at the moment.

It probably would've made more sense (short term) to add EKU now and KSU later rather than the reverse.

But KSU has the better market (on paper) and provided a travel partner for JSU, so I can see why the decision was made.

Long term, KSU will be an asset. Basketball should be decent-to-solid right away. They're usually strong in diamond sports. Football? No one knows. Not even Owl fans. It all depends how quickly they can install the T.O.-replacement offense. One need only look to a certain SBC school a few hours southeast of Kennesaw to see how tough it can be to do that. Maybe the Portal will help shave a decade or two off the Owls' transition time.

(10-09-2023 08:06 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Kennessaw St worse add than UNCC few years back. Play in a high school gym and will bring nothing to CUSA>

They bring sixth largest media market in the US and a metro area with 6 million people.

Yeah, they’re another “market” add. But would Tarleton or EKU have been better additions? I guess that’s for others to determine, but my answer would be no. Judy clearly needed to get another school for the current media contract to work. They’re better than the alternatives.

(10-09-2023 11:35 AM)whupemall Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 08:24 AM)army56mike Wrote:  ...Northern Kentucky, which truly is on the northern border of the state.

Otherwise known as the University of Southern Cincinnati.

(10-08-2023 11:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  The constant bashing of KSU is silly and getting old. Discuss…

Nonsense. Bashing KSU never gets old.

In all seriousness, though... I do think they got their FBS invitation just a couple years too early. This is not to say they'll be a permanent slog on CUSA -- they won't be -- but they're way behind on facilities at the moment.

It probably would've made more sense (short term) to add EKU now and KSU later rather than the reverse.

But KSU has the better market (on paper) and provided a travel partner for JSU, so I can see why the decision was made.

Long term, KSU will be an asset. Basketball should be decent-to-solid right away. They're usually strong in diamond sports. Football? No one knows. Not even Owl fans. It all depends how quickly they can install the T.O.-replacement offense. One need only look to a certain SBC school a few hours southeast of Kennesaw to see how tough it can be to do that. Maybe the Portal will help shave a decade or two off the Owls' transition time.

What is wrong with our facilities? Our stadium is nice but under sized, we are about to build a new baseball stadium. We have a larger budget than JSU. Our budget is 10M more than JSU and 14M more than EKU's. We are also going to expand our stadium.

(10-09-2023 08:06 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Kennessaw St worse add than UNCC few years back. Play in a high school gym and will bring nothing to CUSA>

You need to look at KSU over football recored. We just went to the basketball tournament and the a baseball regional. WTF are you talking about?

(10-09-2023 11:34 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:31 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Been pondering this “question”. It’s really, like, 3-4 questions but that’s okay.

How bad is this KSU team? Probably the worst since the early years of the program. I haven’t seen KSU this down since before.

Certainly have more doubts than confirmations about the redshirting method right now. So for KSU, who hasn’t had elite-level FCS teams over the past couple of years, and is undergoing a complete offensive overhaul, I think concerns about their abilities to compete within the first couple of years is valid. How might that impact their abilities to build a successful program in the FBS? To draw more than 4,000 fans at games and get more attention in GA? To improve facilities? Who knows.

CUSA is inviting Kennesaw State, the school in north ATL with 40,000 students. NOT KSU, the 2023 football team. The roster building methods they employ during transition does not define their success as an FBS program. That’ll take a few years to determine. They need to develop.

Kennesaw is likely the most unprepared FBS call-up of all time, although SHSU isn’t far behind. Both would’ve benefited from more time in the FCS. But you have to take the invite when you get it, I guess. KSU has shown the ability to field a strong team in the FCS. Adding both schools were big swings by CUSA. Give it a few years. We’ll know if they hit or struck out soon enough.

Doesnt matter if you have 60k students like FIU, doesnt matter. You would think Judy and presidents would know this. Hell Furman would have been a better add..

No disagreements with either your statements. Just advocating for KSU to be given some time. Furman in CUSA would be funny. Think those Sun Belt fans hate us now?

I’m happy KSU joined since it is a road game I can make a day trip out of. Will probably do other sports than just football. I can get there in under two hours.

So adding them is a big benefit for me. And that’s all I really care about.

(10-09-2023 11:31 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Been pondering this “question”. It’s really, like, 3-4 questions but that’s okay.

How bad is this KSU team? Probably the worst since the early years of the program. I haven’t seen KSU this down since before 2017.

Certainly have more doubts than confirmations about the redshirting method right now. So for KSU, who hasn’t had elite-level FCS teams over the past couple of years, and is undergoing a complete offensive overhaul, I think concerns about their abilities to compete within the first couple of years is valid. How might that impact their abilities to build a successful program in the FBS? To draw more than 4,000 fans at games and get more attention in GA? To improve facilities? Who knows.

CUSA is inviting Kennesaw State, the school in north ATL with 40,000 students. NOT KSU, the 2023 football team. The roster building methods they employ during transition does not define their success as an FBS program. That’ll take a few years to determine. They need to develop.

Kennesaw is likely the most unprepared FBS call-up of all time, although SHSU isn’t far behind. Both would’ve benefited from more time in the FCS. But you have to take the invite when you get it, I guess. KSU has shown the ability to field a strong team in the FCS. Adding both schools were big swings by CUSA. Give it a few years. We’ll know if they hit or struck out soon enough.

That is not true. Our budget is almost double yours.

(10-09-2023 11:46 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:31 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Been pondering this “question”. It’s really, like, 3-4 questions but that’s okay.

How bad is this KSU team? Probably the worst since the early years of the program. I haven’t seen KSU this down since before 2017.

Certainly have more doubts than confirmations about the redshirting method right now. So for KSU, who hasn’t had elite-level FCS teams over the past couple of years, and is undergoing a complete offensive overhaul, I think concerns about their abilities to compete within the first couple of years is valid. How might that impact their abilities to build a successful program in the FBS? To draw more than 4,000 fans at games and get more attention in GA? To improve facilities? Who knows.

CUSA is inviting Kennesaw State, the school in north ATL with 40,000 students. NOT KSU, the 2023 football team. The roster building methods they employ during transition does not define their success as an FBS program. That’ll take a few years to determine. They need to develop.

Kennesaw is likely the most unprepared FBS call-up of all time, although SHSU isn’t far behind. Both would’ve benefited from more time in the FCS. But you have to take the invite when you get it, I guess. KSU has shown the ability to field a strong team in the FCS. Adding both schools were big swings by CUSA. Give it a few years. We’ll know if they hit or struck out soon enough.

That is not true. Our budget is almost double yours.

Yes it is. As others have stated, you play in a high school gym and draw <2k fans to playoff games. You’re losing to OVC bottom feeders. KSU is unprepared, budget aside. That’s reality. Doesn’t mean they can’t be successful, especially in this conference.

(10-09-2023 11:37 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 08:06 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Kennessaw St worse add than UNCC few years back. Play in a high school gym and will bring nothing to CUSA>

They bring sixth largest media market in the US and a metro area with 6 million people.

Yeah, they’re another “market” add. But would Tarleton or EKU have been better additions? I guess that’s for others to determine, but my answer would be no. Judy clearly needed to get another school for the current media contract to work. They’re better than the alternatives.

Furman, Missouri St, North Dakota St, Illinois St. I can name 25 schools better adds than EKU aka UK, Tralteon TEch and Kensase Tech.

(10-09-2023 11:54 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:46 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:31 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Been pondering this “question”. It’s really, like, 3-4 questions but that’s okay.

How bad is this KSU team? Probably the worst since the early years of the program. I haven’t seen KSU this down since before 2017.

Certainly have more doubts than confirmations about the redshirting method right now. So for KSU, who hasn’t had elite-level FCS teams over the past couple of years, and is undergoing a complete offensive overhaul, I think concerns about their abilities to compete within the first couple of years is valid. How might that impact their abilities to build a successful program in the FBS? To draw more than 4,000 fans at games and get more attention in GA? To improve facilities? Who knows.

CUSA is inviting Kennesaw State, the school in north ATL with 40,000 students. NOT KSU, the 2023 football team. The roster building methods they employ during transition does not define their success as an FBS program. That’ll take a few years to determine. They need to develop.

Kennesaw is likely the most unprepared FBS call-up of all time, although SHSU isn’t far behind. Both would’ve benefited from more time in the FCS. But you have to take the invite when you get it, I guess. KSU has shown the ability to field a strong team in the FCS. Adding both schools were big swings by CUSA. Give it a few years. We’ll know if they hit or struck out soon enough.

That is not true. Our budget is almost double yours.

Yes it is. As others have stated, you play in a high school gym and draw <2k fans to playoff games. You’re losing to OVC bottom feeders. KSU is unprepared, budget aside. That’s reality. Doesn’t mean they can’t be successful, especially in this conference.

We drew 2K fans to a bad playoff team that know one wanted to play in the first place. We just sold out our stadium this week with almost 11K people, which is a new attendance record. We have beaten the best team in the OVC for years.

You’re losing to OVC bottom feeders: KSU has red shirted all of their players and we are moving away from the TO. Therefore, this season was shot from the beginning and most KSU fans knew that.

Have you seen a High school gym? Our gym does not look like a high school gym. I did not know high school gyms have VIP suite.

Our stadium looks nicer the SHSU. People pay millions of $ to use our stadium. We are also about to build the following.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7zQTh3XAAA_...name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7zQThyWMAAm...name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7zQTh2XQAAe...name=large

One of the MAIN advantages of adding KSU was GEOGRAPHY. I know it does not matter in some realignment circles-- but in this case it DID.

1.) Only 87 miles to JAX STATE, travel partner, rivalry to create interest, saves travel time and costs for EVERYBODY in the league.

2.) Atlanta airport--34 miles--several connecting flights to ANYWHERE

3.) Interstates I-75, 80, 20 nearby for easy travel

4.) Georgia--One of the top five FB recruiting states in the country
--Large alumni base for JSU, MT, WKU
-- 8th largest state (11 million)-new state added to CUSA; growing at an amazing 11% rate; Strong economy and future
-- Atlanta media mkt #6