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I probably think Emory is the best option but I'm not sure I've seen anything to suggest that he has won the job outright for the season. I guess if neither Brady is ready to play this early that's fine, but what are we supposed to do if we start something like 2-4? 2-5? 3-6? Just would seem weird to be hell bent on starting a Munchie Legaux at QB so we can manage to eek out a bowl game. Would rather see the freshman have their feet to the fire for a year and sort things out later.

(09-25-2023 09:26 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 09:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 08:12 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Emory Jones is doing fine. Offense was basically thrown together this year. Not the QB's fault.

The incongruity of fan QB evaluation...

He makes Munchie look like a guy who worked through all of his progressions.

There are several reasons ASU lost 11 games last year. QB was one of em.

#FreeEvanPrater

You've been waiting all of season for this moment, haven't you?

Do you have an updated Ben Bryant poster over your bed in his Northwestern uniform or is it still the UC one?

You obviously don’t know Rath very well. The only poster he has is that “Hang In There” cat poster he took from his cubicle along with the Swingline stapler.

Bwahahah!

Absolutely.

(09-25-2023 07:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 09:59 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 03:25 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  IMO our goal is to be bowl eligible this year. The loss to Miami really hurt. IMO we played Oklahoma tough.

Until that goal is gone - Jones should be the QB.

If bowl eligibility is lost - time to move on.

Considering the roster devastation caused by Fickell leaving - I think we are surprisingly good.

Wanna blame a coach - blame Luke Fickell.

Having 13 red zone attempts and not scoring on over half of them can certainly be blamed on this coaching staff.

13 attempts with only 2 touchdowns and 4 fgs is pathetic no matter how you slice it.

Satt's play calling gets so predictable and simplified in the redzone. We throw away an early down or two every time. His offense just doesn't seem very innovative for 2023 football.

He may end up great. I better hope he ends up great. UC and Satt still feels to me like a forced fit of parts that don't fit properly.

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I realize that CSS wants to be a run first team but this line has not demonstrated the ability to dominate a line of scrimmage, especially in the red zone. UC doesn't have the horses up front to run the ball up the middle once or twice and then drop back on 3rd down when everyone in the stadium and on tv and with a 1/2 ounce of football sense knows what's coming... And then after a couple of quarters of that we just change the script and everything becomes a QB draw again up the middle. Try a jet sweep or a screen pass or a WR/TE middle screen or a wildcat look. Or even on a simpler level, help EJ with his reads a bit by sending someone in motion to make the defense have to move or give away their blitzers early. As I said multiple times on Saturday, this is not the ACC or even the AAC anymore and we are still a year or so away from recruiting the bigs to play that brand of ball.

Once again, not sure the point of Emory Jones, not good enough to be a place holder, and not getting someone experience for the future.

Uh... What's a "Quarterback"?

I can't disagree on the QB comments and with trying one of our younger, highly recruited guys. But I see dysfunction all over the field right now. It's the most discouraged I've been in years leaving a Bearcat home football game.

when's prater gonna get a look?

Why do other programs make freshman Qb's work but UC never does.....

(10-14-2023 03:46 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Why do other programs make freshman Qb's work but UC never does.....

We did with Dez... His sophomore year was tough.

I remain perplexed by the fact that the brain trust of the staff identified Jones out of all of he options in the portal as the guy. I'm not sure what they were looking at but this is exactly who that dude is in year 6...A guy who can run and who probably looks the part in a T-shirt and shorts, but who's wildly lacking as a passer, who can only lock onto one receiver and who makes bad decisions.

I said it when we picked him up that if he's the one year rent a starter we are probably in for a long season.

The whole offense is a disaster, not just QB. That said, the season is over so you may as well try the other guys. Just don’t jeopardize Drogosh’s red shirt.

(10-14-2023 05:13 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I remain perplexed by the fact that the brain trust of the staff identified Jones out of all of he options in the portal as the guy. I'm not sure what they were looking at but this is exactly who that dude is in year 6...A guy who can run and who probably looks the part in a T-shirt and shorts, but who's wildly lacking as a passer, who can only lock onto one receiver and who makes bad decisions.

I said it when we picked him up that if he's the one year rent a starter we are probably in for a long season.

This, the biggest mistake this staff has made thus far was placing all their eggs in the basket of a journeyman QB who has never shown the ability to pass the ball.

I don't know if it's the right move to change QB's or not. But I do feel like Jones is holding this team back a little. Not giving CSS a pass, but I feel like Jones' struggles are amplifying our feelings about CSS's play calling. These are deficiencies I see:

-Obviously struggles on hitting the deep balls. It looks like he doesn't put enough loft on his throws for the receiver to run under.
-He drives me crazy how often or quick he checks down to his outlet receiver.
-He seems to run when he shouldn't and doesn't when he should.
-Obviously turnover prone. This is nothing new. This was highlighted back when he was competing with Bryant for the starting job.

Again, not sure if making a change would be the right thing to do. Maybe go to Lichty instead of Drogosh to finish out the year? But, I am glad we only have Jones for one year.

(09-25-2023 08:12 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Emory Jones is doing fine. Offense was basically thrown together this year. Not the QB's fault.

I agree about the offense but man, he's been inconsistent with passes. Maybe things start clicking for him soon.

(10-14-2023 03:46 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Why do other programs make freshman Qb's work but UC never does.....

Because our freshmen QBs are typically guys with very obvious development areas and/or simply aren't physically developed. Drogosh is the first freshman QB we've had since Bennie Coney who looks like a D1 QB physically, and he has a ton of work to do on the processing side of the game.

There is 100% no reason to burn a RS this season, and Lichtenburg, while a good passer, doesn't have the mobility necessary to remain upright behind this OL.

(10-15-2023 08:06 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 03:46 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Why do other programs make freshman Qb's work but UC never does.....

Because our freshmen QBs are typically guys with very obvious development areas and/or simply aren't physically developed. Drogosh is the first freshman QB we've had since Bennie Coney who looks like a D1 QB physically, and he has a ton of work to do on the processing side of the game.

There is 100% no reason to burn a RS this season, and Lichtenburg, while a good passer, doesn't have the mobility necessary to remain upright behind this OL.

Let him get a bunch of snaps the last 3-4 games and he keeps his RS season intact.

(10-15-2023 09:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 08:06 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 03:46 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Why do other programs make freshman Qb's work but UC never does.....

Because our freshmen QBs are typically guys with very obvious development areas and/or simply aren't physically developed. Drogosh is the first freshman QB we've had since Bennie Coney who looks like a D1 QB physically, and he has a ton of work to do on the processing side of the game.

There is 100% no reason to burn a RS this season, and Lichtenburg, while a good passer, doesn't have the mobility necessary to remain upright behind this OL.

Let him get a bunch of snaps the last 3-4 games and he keeps his RS season intact.

Is that the current rule in college football? I know college basketball allows participation in several (five maybe?) games without burning a redshirt, but I thought football was much more limited participation, if any at all.

(10-15-2023 09:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 08:06 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 03:46 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Why do other programs make freshman Qb's work but UC never does.....

Because our freshmen QBs are typically guys with very obvious development areas and/or simply aren't physically developed. Drogosh is the first freshman QB we've had since Bennie Coney who looks like a D1 QB physically, and he has a ton of work to do on the processing side of the game.

There is 100% no reason to burn a RS this season, and Lichtenburg, while a good passer, doesn't have the mobility necessary to remain upright behind this OL.

Let him get a bunch of snaps the last 3-4 games and he keeps his RS season intact.

I'd be fine with that...but we have 6 games left.

(10-16-2023 07:34 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 09:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Let him get a bunch of snaps the last 3-4 games and he keeps his RS season intact.

Is that the current rule in college football? I know college basketball allows participation in several (five maybe?) games without burning a redshirt, but I thought football was much more limited participation, if any at all.

Football is the one that has actually had a concrete rule in place for awhile; you can play 4 games and keep your redshirt. Basketball has no such rule. Remember last year after we played Sage for a game I believe it was discussed that he couldn't just get the redshirt back and eventually would need to apply for it.

With having no inside knowledge of how the Bradys look in practice I'm all for giving them a look if they look decent in practice. I certainly don't see a reason to use Drogush's redshirt but if you're going to give him real time I think Saturday would make sense in a friendly environment against the weakest remaining opponent.