I think Mccloud is ok, not great, but in his defense, we need to run the ball better.

It’s not helping that the running game is below average. We either get a big gain, or 1 or 2 yards. That puts us behind the chains often and results in many 3rd and longs. Not ideal for a qb to shine. We need to find away to get good 5-6 yard carries, especially on first downs.

Not sure what is going on with the rush game, but with our entire O Line returning, you’d expect better. And it was poor before kidwell went out.

(10-12-2023 07:15 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I think Mccloud is ok, not great, but in his defense, we need to run the ball better.

It’s not helping that the running game is below average. We either get a big gain, or 1 or 2 yards. That puts us behind the chains often and results in many 3rd and longs. Not ideal for a qb to shine. We need to find away to get good 5-6 yard carries, especially on first downs.

Not sure what is going on with the rush game, but with our entire O Line returning, you’d expect better. And it was poor before kidwell went out.

Agree

While separation is not what's it's been by receivers this year, I notice Jordan misses some quick open passes to the flats, and some receivers that are wide open.

We've had good QBs since Withers.

Vad Lee
Brian Schor
Ben Dinucci
Cole Johnson
Todd Centeio

I would not rate Jordan over any of the prior 5.

Jordan has times he looks great, but other times you're afraid when he drops back to pass. I think Jordan does benefit by playing in this offense. His stats don't correspond with his second half play last week. Cig basically said in the postgame of the USA game he was afraid to pass in the second half.

(10-12-2023 08:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I would not rate Jordan over any of the prior 5.

Jordan has times he looks great, but other times you're afraid when he drops back to pass.

1) Apples/oranges - FCS vs FBS competition
2) I honestly never get that feeling with him. He's had so few costly decisions made, I feel pretty comfortable for a neutral to positive out come on a McCloud dropback.

(10-12-2023 11:51 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 08:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I would not rate Jordan over any of the prior 5.

Jordan has times he looks great, but other times you're afraid when he drops back to pass.

1) Apples/oranges - FCS vs FBS competition
2) I honestly never get that feeling with him. He's had so few costly decisions made, I feel pretty comfortable for a neutral to positive out come on a McCloud dropback.

IMHO: I can live with the passing, often it's near perfect. His misses can be way off. Again, that part of his game is acceptable. It's his decision making on RPO's is where I'm apprehensive. If it's wide open he takes it, but he needs to take it when it's not clear sailing to the end zone. Even a small gain or no gain to the outside keeps the box from being stacked which opens up running room for our RB's. I honestly believe he only keeps it when told to.

(10-12-2023 08:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 07:15 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I think Mccloud is ok, not great, but in his defense, we need to run the ball better.

It’s not helping that the running game is below average. We either get a big gain, or 1 or 2 yards. That puts us behind the chains often and results in many 3rd and longs. Not ideal for a qb to shine. We need to find away to get good 5-6 yard carries, especially on first downs.

Not sure what is going on with the rush game, but with our entire O Line returning, you’d expect better. And it was poor before kidwell went out.

Agree

While separation is not what's it's been by receivers this year, I notice Jordan misses some quick open passes to the flats, and some receivers that are wide open.

We've had good QBs since Withers.

Vad Lee
Brian Schor
Ben Dinucci
Cole Johnson
Todd Centeio

I would not rate Jordan over any of the prior 5.

Jordan has times he looks great, but other times you're afraid when he drops back to pass. I think Jordan does benefit by playing in this offense. His stats don't correspond with his second half play last week. Cig basically said in the postgame of the USA game he was afraid to pass in the second half.

I think most of us would agree that Cole was the weakest of the 5 but turned out alright by his final season, I'd wait to see what Jordan does next year on top of this year before I'd call him a bust against that list. I mean what if he get us to 12-0, 13-0 and a CFP game? He's near #1 with all that...

(10-12-2023 02:09 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 08:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 07:15 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I think Mccloud is ok, not great, but in his defense, we need to run the ball better.

It’s not helping that the running game is below average. We either get a big gain, or 1 or 2 yards. That puts us behind the chains often and results in many 3rd and longs. Not ideal for a qb to shine. We need to find away to get good 5-6 yard carries, especially on first downs.

Not sure what is going on with the rush game, but with our entire O Line returning, you’d expect better. And it was poor before kidwell went out.

Agree

While separation is not what's it's been by receivers this year, I notice Jordan misses some quick open passes to the flats, and some receivers that are wide open.

We've had good QBs since Withers.

Vad Lee
Brian Schor
Ben Dinucci
Cole Johnson
Todd Centeio

I would not rate Jordan over any of the prior 5.

Jordan has times he looks great, but other times you're afraid when he drops back to pass. I think Jordan does benefit by playing in this offense. His stats don't correspond with his second half play last week. Cig basically said in the postgame of the USA game he was afraid to pass in the second half.

I think most of us would agree that Cole was the weakest of the 5 but turned out alright by his final season, I'd wait to see what Jordan does next year on top of this year before I'd call him a bust against that list. I mean what if he get us to 12-0, 13-0 and a CFP game? He's near #1 with all that...

I don't think anyone is out here calling him a bust. He could be last on that list and still be considered a very good qb.

(10-12-2023 02:11 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 02:09 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 08:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 07:15 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I think Mccloud is ok, not great, but in his defense, we need to run the ball better.

It’s not helping that the running game is below average. We either get a big gain, or 1 or 2 yards. That puts us behind the chains often and results in many 3rd and longs. Not ideal for a qb to shine. We need to find away to get good 5-6 yard carries, especially on first downs.

Not sure what is going on with the rush game, but with our entire O Line returning, you’d expect better. And it was poor before kidwell went out.

Agree

While separation is not what's it's been by receivers this year, I notice Jordan misses some quick open passes to the flats, and some receivers that are wide open.

We've had good QBs since Withers.

Vad Lee
Brian Schor
Ben Dinucci
Cole Johnson
Todd Centeio

I would not rate Jordan over any of the prior 5.

Jordan has times he looks great, but other times you're afraid when he drops back to pass. I think Jordan does benefit by playing in this offense. His stats don't correspond with his second half play last week. Cig basically said in the postgame of the USA game he was afraid to pass in the second half.

I think most of us would agree that Cole was the weakest of the 5 but turned out alright by his final season, I'd wait to see what Jordan does next year on top of this year before I'd call him a bust against that list. I mean what if he get us to 12-0, 13-0 and a CFP game? He's near #1 with all that...

I don't think anyone is out here calling him a bust. He could be last on that list and still be considered a very good qb.

(10-12-2023 02:11 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 02:09 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 08:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-12-2023 07:15 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I think Mccloud is ok, not great, but in his defense, we need to run the ball better.

It’s not helping that the running game is below average. We either get a big gain, or 1 or 2 yards. That puts us behind the chains often and results in many 3rd and longs. Not ideal for a qb to shine. We need to find away to get good 5-6 yard carries, especially on first downs.

Not sure what is going on with the rush game, but with our entire O Line returning, you’d expect better. And it was poor before kidwell went out.

Agree

While separation is not what's it's been by receivers this year, I notice Jordan misses some quick open passes to the flats, and some receivers that are wide open.

We've had good QBs since Withers.

Vad Lee
Brian Schor
Ben Dinucci
Cole Johnson
Todd Centeio

I would not rate Jordan over any of the prior 5.

Jordan has times he looks great, but other times you're afraid when he drops back to pass. I think Jordan does benefit by playing in this offense. His stats don't correspond with his second half play last week. Cig basically said in the postgame of the USA game he was afraid to pass in the second half.

I think most of us would agree that Cole was the weakest of the 5 but turned out alright by his final season, I'd wait to see what Jordan does next year on top of this year before I'd call him a bust against that list. I mean what if he get us to 12-0, 13-0 and a CFP game? He's near #1 with all that...

I don't think anyone is out here calling him a bust. He could be last on that list and still be considered a very good qb.

Up to this point, it's way too early to rank McCloud. We're not even halfway into the season.
In my opinion, one of the things that isn't helping in our perception of where he is has been his exposure to the media. For the most part, he hasn't been put out there for interviews nearly as much as his predecessors. All it takes is one big game and all that changes.
He could also be a more quiet guy and that's not his thing. But the fact that the only big narrative out there is coming from Cignetti kind of hurts him right now at least with perception. Cignetti knows he can play better and is trying to get that out of him. CC has also said he's trying to get some bad habits out of him as well. That's not necessarily McCloud's fault, either.
A LOT can happen in one game. We saw that in week 1 with Barnett. We had anointed him before he took a snap.
That comeback win against UVA was a lot due to McCloud. I do believe the best is yet to come with him.

Just taking a look at Jordan's stats on the year, and I was a little surprised at how good they actually are.

64.5% completion rate
9.5 yards/attempt
11:3 TD:INT
164.8 QB rating

That rating would rank him 16th in FBS (if the stupid NCAA would allow transitioning team's stats to be included of course).

The Nooch had a pretty mediocre first year then an outstanding second year... if we do have McCloud next year, hopefully he can follow a similar trajectory and have a really special season

(10-12-2023 05:00 PM)s2dsayer Wrote:  Just taking a look at Jordan's stats on the year, and I was a little surprised at how good they actually are.

64.5% completion rate
9.5 yards/attempt
11:3 TD:INT
164.8 QB rating

That rating would rank him 16th in FBS (if the stupid NCAA would allow transitioning team's stats to be included of course).

The Nooch had a pretty mediocre first year then an outstanding second year... if we do have McCloud next year, hopefully he can follow a similar trajectory and have a really special season

These stats don't address the concerns. With that said, I simply want to see progress in his weaknesses, the same thing Curt is wanting.

McCloud is going to take us to the Clouds Saturday and Thursday. 7-0 here we come baby. Book it.

(10-12-2023 05:00 PM)s2dsayer Wrote:  Just taking a look at Jordan's stats on the year, and I was a little surprised at how good they actually are.

64.5% completion rate
9.5 yards/attempt
11:3 TD:INT
164.8 QB rating

That rating would rank him 16th in FBS (if the stupid NCAA would allow transitioning team's stats to be included of course).

JMU fans are spoiled. I’m not surprised by his stats. McCloud has played very well.

Yes, his play has not been perfect, but the team is 5-0 under his direction.
If he continues to lead the team to victories how long will it be before JMU fans praise his play? Should McCloud return next year, I would expect his play in the 2024 season will be even better.

(10-12-2023 05:00 PM)s2dsayer Wrote:  Just taking a look at Jordan's stats on the year, and I was a little surprised at how good they actually are.

I am too, even though I’ve been happy with his play so far. I think we’ve just been spoiled by a string of good QBs/good QB coaching. I feel like McCloud has a lot of potential and that he hasn’t maxed out what he can do.

(10-12-2023 05:00 PM)s2dsayer Wrote:  Just taking a look at Jordan's stats on the year, and I was a little surprised at how good they actually are.

64.5% completion rate
9.5 yards/attempt
11:3 TD:INT
164.8 QB rating

That rating would rank him 16th in FBS (if the stupid NCAA would allow transitioning team's stats to be included of course).

The Nooch had a pretty mediocre first year then an outstanding second year... if we do have McCloud next year, hopefully he can follow a similar trajectory and have a really special season

Almost posted this exact thought on the previous page. Glad I kept reading. I see it similarly.

(10-12-2023 05:00 PM)s2dsayer Wrote:  Just taking a look at Jordan's stats on the year, and I was a little surprised at how good they actually are.

64.5% completion rate
9.5 yards/attempt
11:3 TD:INT
164.8 QB rating

That rating would rank him 16th in FBS (if the stupid NCAA would allow transitioning team's stats to be included of course).

The Nooch had a pretty mediocre first year then an outstanding second year... if we do have McCloud next year, hopefully he can follow a similar trajectory and have a really special season

"Mediocre?" Most on this board were screaming for Nooch to be benched. It wasn't his fault, Houston and Donnie K sucked something awful (which is coming to haunt them in Greenville, NC right now).

Nooch was great. So is McCloud. He is still just settling in. He is going to be incredible this year. Next year he is going to be All-World!

Did anyone catch during the broadcast on saturday the camera planned to the offensive group on the sideline and Barnett and Griffis were holding the clip boards while Atkins was involved in the huddle. Wonder if that means hes QB2 now?

With a tough road game I hope we see McCloud double his rushing attempts in a mix of pass play scrambles and read option keepers.

Marshall’s pass defense is good and their pass rush is good. QB running becomes the X-factor.
You could say the same for Fancher, but he isn’t quite as talented with his feet.

Marshall is good and probably better than their 4-2 record as they are battle tested.
Beat Notre Dame on the road last year
Beat Va Tech at home
Very close loss to NC State in the road despite outgaining them

JMU has to play well to pull off this conference road victory.

McCloud did his job with critical QB runs that ate up Marshall. Passing is still inconsistent on his decisions, but only one pick against a good pass defense is probably good enough against any team left on the schedule.
Cig is more than halfway to performing his QB whisperer magic 4 straight years.

Yuck on Billy Atkins coming in for a series. Cig needs to be asked how his QB #1 Barnett coming out of Fall camp is now 3rd or 4th string. I’ve seen enough of Atkins to know I don’t want him as the backup this year. He is still robotic in the pocket and can’t be relied upon.

We saw McCloud get banged up tonight and it would be foolish to think he won’t get dinged again with his slight frame.

(10-16-2023 08:33 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Did anyone catch during the broadcast on saturday the camera planned to the offensive group on the sideline and Barnett and Griffis were holding the clip boards while Atkins was involved in the huddle. Wonder if that means hes QB2 now?

That question was answered tonight. He may not have been all world on that series, but he looked a lot more composed and serviceable as a backup tonight. Give him another year or two, and he could be a good starter come 2025. Too many people lost their minds because of last year when he was put in a tough spot. He's improving. It was evident in Spring and tonight also.

legendary stuff from mccloud tonight