(10-04-2023 05:41 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 08:21 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 08:15 PM)hburg Wrote:  

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Quote: “We feel like we’re getting a lot of bad habits coached out of Jordan,” Cignetti said. “Coming from two programs that didn’t win to a program that wins a lot. I don’t think it will be an issue going forward.”

The bye week is a good time for the Dukes, who can spend the upcoming days addressing internal issues rather than intensive game prep.

Cignetti and his staff have identified areas where they want McCloud to improve.

“It’s a little bit of everything,” Cignetti said. “He could prepare a little better during the week. Take care of his body a little better in the weight room and off the field, maybe. As the game gets going, maybe your self-talk. What’s going on here? Against Virginia, I thought maybe he was gassed because it was really hot. But the last two weeks, it’s not really heat related when you’re getting gassed. It’s just really general execution, like, what’s going on here? We’re aware of it and there’s no need to gloss over it. It is what it is and it is affecting our production.”

He’s been in college 5 years now, you’d think he’d know how to take better care of himself and hit the weight room some more. If he hasn’t grasped that yet he won’t get it done in time to help this season.

It’s a work in progress. Cig knows that, and his ability to address ways to improve Jordan’s QB play is a large part of why the Dukes are successful. Jordan will continue to improve if he accepts Cig’s coaching. Same held true for Nooch, for Cole, and for Toddy. JMU is very fortunate to have Cig and Tino helping develop our QBs.

Oh I get it and I trust HCCC, but the physical things he pointed out are not going to be fixed overnight and not this season.

We’re probably only disagreeing over minor details.

It’s a work in progress. We don’t have to wait to see Jordan’s play magically transform to be better next season. It’s an incremental process. There are 7 more games to be played this year. 8 weeks (with the bye) to study film, develop better habits (whatever Cig is trying to address)…in general get better this year.

Old habits die hard…and some never will. I’m of the opinion Jordan’s learning and applying what he’s learning right now, this season, and is getting better every week. Yes, next year Jordan should be even better…hopefully like Nooch and Cole…and hopefully JMU will better for it in the Dukes full “non-transitional” year in FBS.

This is the greatest quote ever:

“We feel like we’re getting a lot of bad habits coached out of Jordan,” Cignetti said. “Coming from two programs that didn’t win to a program that wins a lot. I don’t think it will be an issue going forward.”

(10-03-2023 08:21 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 08:15 PM)hburg Wrote:  

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Quote: “We feel like we’re getting a lot of bad habits coached out of Jordan,” Cignetti said. “Coming from two programs that didn’t win to a program that wins a lot. I don’t think it will be an issue going forward.”

The bye week is a good time for the Dukes, who can spend the upcoming days addressing internal issues rather than intensive game prep.

Cignetti and his staff have identified areas where they want McCloud to improve.

“It’s a little bit of everything,” Cignetti said. “He could prepare a little better during the week. Take care of his body a little better in the weight room and off the field, maybe. As the game gets going, maybe your self-talk. What’s going on here? Against Virginia, I thought maybe he was gassed because it was really hot. But the last two weeks, it’s not really heat related when you’re getting gassed. It’s just really general execution, like, what’s going on here? We’re aware of it and there’s no need to gloss over it. It is what it is and it is affecting our production.”

He’s been in college 5 years now, you’d think he’d know how to take better care of himself and hit the weight room some more. If he hasn’t grasped that yet he won’t get it done in time to help this season.

Probably several of the factors why he didn't win the job out of fall camp.

(10-04-2023 05:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  It’s a work in progress. Cig knows that, and his ability to address ways to improve Jordan’s QB play is a large part of why the Dukes are successful. Jordan will continue to improve if he accepts Cig’s coaching. Same held true for Nooch, for Cole, and for Toddy. JMU is very fortunate to have Cig and Tino helping develop our QBs.

You are certainly entitled to lump Toddy in with the others, from my perspective he came out firing on all cylinders from the beginning of the season against MTSU until the end against Coastal Carolina. Probably the easiest guy to ever coach who had the opportunity to wear JMU colors. In addition, he suffers from lupus (my sister has the disease, I know what it does to your body), the man had no weaknesses from the moment he stepped on campus.

(10-04-2023 04:49 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  It’s a work in progress. Cig knows that, and his ability to address ways to improve Jordan’s QB play is a large part of why the Dukes are successful. Jordan will continue to improve if he accepts Cig’s coaching. Same held true for Nooch, for Cole, and for Toddy. JMU is very fortunate to have Cig and Tino helping develop our QBs.

You are certainly entitled to lump Toddy in with the others, from my perspective he came out firing on all cylinders from the beginning of the season against MTSU until the end against Coastal Carolina. Probably the easiest guy to ever coach who had the opportunity to wear JMU colors. In addition, he suffers from lupus (my sister has the disease, I know what it does to your body), the man had no weaknesses from the moment he stepped on campus.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but if he had no weaknesses Toddy would have been more successful at his earlier stops at Temple and CSU.

I believe if you’d step back from your personal feelings about his dealing with Lupus, you’d find that Toddy gave credit where credit was due to the JMU coaching that helped him maximize his considerable talents.

(10-04-2023 05:47 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 04:49 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  It’s a work in progress. Cig knows that, and his ability to address ways to improve Jordan’s QB play is a large part of why the Dukes are successful. Jordan will continue to improve if he accepts Cig’s coaching. Same held true for Nooch, for Cole, and for Toddy. JMU is very fortunate to have Cig and Tino helping develop our QBs.

You are certainly entitled to lump Toddy in with the others, from my perspective he came out firing on all cylinders from the beginning of the season against MTSU until the end against Coastal Carolina. Probably the easiest guy to ever coach who had the opportunity to wear JMU colors. In addition, he suffers from lupus (my sister has the disease, I know what it does to your body), the man had no weaknesses from the moment he stepped on campus.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but if he had no weaknesses Toddy would have been more successful at his earlier stops at Temple and CSU.

I believe if you’d step back from your personal feelings about his dealing with Lupus, you’d find that Toddy gave credit where credit was due to the JMU coaching that helped him maximize his considerable talents.

A QB has to have a cast in order to be successful. I've never seen either of those two schools as winners. Enough said about that.

With regard to the second bold, that statement further solidifies my point.

(10-04-2023 08:32 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:47 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 04:49 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  It’s a work in progress. Cig knows that, and his ability to address ways to improve Jordan’s QB play is a large part of why the Dukes are successful. Jordan will continue to improve if he accepts Cig’s coaching. Same held true for Nooch, for Cole, and for Toddy. JMU is very fortunate to have Cig and Tino helping develop our QBs.

You are certainly entitled to lump Toddy in with the others, from my perspective he came out firing on all cylinders from the beginning of the season against MTSU until the end against Coastal Carolina. Probably the easiest guy to ever coach who had the opportunity to wear JMU colors. In addition, he suffers from lupus (my sister has the disease, I know what it does to your body), the man had no weaknesses from the moment he stepped on campus.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but if he had no weaknesses Toddy would have been more successful at his earlier stops at Temple and CSU.

I believe if you’d step back from your personal feelings about his dealing with Lupus, you’d find that Toddy gave credit where credit was due to the JMU coaching that helped him maximize his considerable talents.

A QB has to have a cast in order to be successful. I've never seen either of those two schools as winners. Enough said about that.

With regard to the second bold, that statement further solidifies my point.

A “successful cast” includes coaching. I rest my case.

(10-05-2023 03:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:32 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:47 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 04:49 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  It’s a work in progress. Cig knows that, and his ability to address ways to improve Jordan’s QB play is a large part of why the Dukes are successful. Jordan will continue to improve if he accepts Cig’s coaching. Same held true for Nooch, for Cole, and for Toddy. JMU is very fortunate to have Cig and Tino helping develop our QBs.

You are certainly entitled to lump Toddy in with the others, from my perspective he came out firing on all cylinders from the beginning of the season against MTSU until the end against Coastal Carolina. Probably the easiest guy to ever coach who had the opportunity to wear JMU colors. In addition, he suffers from lupus (my sister has the disease, I know what it does to your body), the man had no weaknesses from the moment he stepped on campus.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but if he had no weaknesses Toddy would have been more successful at his earlier stops at Temple and CSU.

I believe if you’d step back from your personal feelings about his dealing with Lupus, you’d find that Toddy gave credit where credit was due to the JMU coaching that helped him maximize his considerable talents.

A QB has to have a cast in order to be successful. I've never seen either of those two schools as winners. Enough said about that.

With regard to the second bold, that statement further solidifies my point.

A “successful cast” includes coaching. I rest my case.

A bit fragile today, are we. Maybe tomorrow we'll have something to get you out of the funk.

Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

(10-10-2023 09:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

That's quite a stat. McCloud's adding 0.6 points to our expected point total per play. Much better than some folks on this board are concluding with their eye tests.

(10-10-2023 09:30 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

That's quite a stat. McCloud's adding 0.6 points to our expected point total per play. Much better than some folks on this board are concluding with their eye tests.

True, but I'd like to see first half vs second half. I bet Jordan's getting "gassed" as the game goes on has a good bit as to why we crush it out of the gates but hit a will in the second half. Much rather one of his biggest issues be conditioning and focus vs talent. I think Jordan might be just scratching the surface, if he buys in to Cig's recommendations it'll help both his confidence and his play.

(10-05-2023 12:06 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 03:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:32 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:47 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 04:49 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  You are certainly entitled to lump Toddy in with the others, from my perspective he came out firing on all cylinders from the beginning of the season against MTSU until the end against Coastal Carolina. Probably the easiest guy to ever coach who had the opportunity to wear JMU colors. In addition, he suffers from lupus (my sister has the disease, I know what it does to your body), the man had no weaknesses from the moment he stepped on campus.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but if he had no weaknesses Toddy would have been more successful at his earlier stops at Temple and CSU.

I believe if you’d step back from your personal feelings about his dealing with Lupus, you’d find that Toddy gave credit where credit was due to the JMU coaching that helped him maximize his considerable talents.

A QB has to have a cast in order to be successful. I've never seen either of those two schools as winners. Enough said about that.

With regard to the second bold, that statement further solidifies my point.

A “successful cast” includes coaching. I rest my case.

A bit fragile today, are we. Maybe tomorrow we'll have something to get you out of the funk.

For sure, something's wrong. I don't think I've ever seen longhorn go so many posts before breaking out the drinking coffee emoji.

(10-10-2023 09:30 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

That's quite a stat. McCloud's adding 0.6 points to our expected point total per play. Much better than some folks on this board are concluding with their eye tests.

Yeah, I have wondered why so many criticize McCloud. While I am a big fan and believe he belongs on this list, I think his upside is even greater. He can become a great one. Lots of room to grow yet. And, we have him next year too, right?

(10-10-2023 02:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:30 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

That's quite a stat. McCloud's adding 0.6 points to our expected point total per play. Much better than some folks on this board are concluding with their eye tests.

Yeah, I have wondered why so many criticize McCloud. While I am a big fan and believe he belongs on this list, I think his upside is even greater. He can become a great one. Lots of room to grow yet. And, we have him next year too, right?

IMHO, he's a heck of a good second guy, not the guy to rally the team around.

(10-10-2023 02:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:30 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

That's quite a stat. McCloud's adding 0.6 points to our expected point total per play. Much better than some folks on this board are concluding with their eye tests.

Yeah, I have wondered why so many criticize McCloud. While I am a big fan and believe he belongs on this list, I think his upside is even greater. He can become a great one. Lots of room to grow yet. And, we have him next year too, right?

I agree McCloud has been playing well and getting better each week.

No, we just have him for this year i am pretty sure.

(10-11-2023 11:38 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 02:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:30 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

That's quite a stat. McCloud's adding 0.6 points to our expected point total per play. Much better than some folks on this board are concluding with their eye tests.

Yeah, I have wondered why so many criticize McCloud. While I am a big fan and believe he belongs on this list, I think his upside is even greater. He can become a great one. Lots of room to grow yet. And, we have him next year too, right?

I agree McCloud has been playing well and getting better each week.

No, we just have him for this year i am pretty sure.

Pretty sure all the media outlets said 2 years eligibility.

I think McCloud gets criticism because the obvious fact that his play is the tale of two halves. His stats don't really represent the whole story because the coaches take him out of the gameplan when he struggles. If he starts putting together complete games though, he could be a real difference maker.

(10-11-2023 12:23 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:38 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 02:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:30 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 09:16 AM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  Came across this on Twitter, very interesting to see Jordan’s placement in the Top 10.

That's quite a stat. McCloud's adding 0.6 points to our expected point total per play. Much better than some folks on this board are concluding with their eye tests.

Yeah, I have wondered why so many criticize McCloud. While I am a big fan and believe he belongs on this list, I think his upside is even greater. He can become a great one. Lots of room to grow yet. And, we have him next year too, right?

I agree McCloud has been playing well and getting better each week.

No, we just have him for this year i am pretty sure.

Pretty sure all the media outlets said 2 years eligibility.

I think McCloud gets criticism because the obvious fact that his play is the tale of two halves. His stats don't really represent the whole story because the coaches take him out of the gameplan when he struggles. If he starts putting together complete games though, he could be a real difference maker.

I'm guessing for him to have two years including this one, he's using a redshirt, medical redshirt, and a covid year. The kid got to be like 39. LoL

He's going to have to have quite the fall from grace to lose the job next year.

(10-11-2023 01:35 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

He's going to have to have quite the fall from grace to lose the job next year.

I believe there are two reasons that Mac is not playing up to his full potential, which I believe from the glimmers of brilliance I have seen, is way, way high.

1. He is still a bit rusty from not playing for two years.
2. He is still a little timid. He needs to shake that and seems to be gaining confidence, especially in his running, every game.

He has the potential to be a great one, I believe.

(10-11-2023 07:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 01:35 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

He's going to have to have quite the fall from grace to lose the job next year.

I believe there are two reasons that Mac is not playing up to his full potential, which I believe from the glimmers of brilliance I have seen, is way, way high.

1. He is still a bit rusty from not playing for two years.
2. He is still a little timid. He needs to shake that and seems to be gaining confidence, especially in his running, every game.

He has the potential to be a great one, I believe.

Nothing against McCloud but he has be at JMU through spring practices, summer workouts and fall camp plus 6 weeks of the games. This is after USF and Arizona. Maybe this is just who he is. I still think Cignetti having to call him out about his preparation on and off the field at this point is a huge red flag. Lets also not forgot that he got hurt at Arizona his first year which is why he didnt play but was healthy year 2 and didnt start before transferring.