So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

Who was the guy Pitt hired and beat up a woman? What is he up to?

Is Mark Mangino back in coaching?

Sounds like Briles since OU doesn't even want him hanging around with his son-in-law and grandchildren.

Larry Scott?

Jerry Sandusky?

(09-11-2023 07:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  Jerry Sandusky?

This is the right answer to the question I asked, I should have just excluded him by saying something like "the person must be living and not have been convicted of any crime".

I know Urban Meyer tried to hire former Iowa strength coach Chris Doyle as the new strength coach for the NFL Jaguars. That did not go over too well and Meyer had to take back the job offer after just one day.

Doyle technically never committed a crime while at Iowa. He just acted like a racist A-Hole and all around jerk around the Iowa players. Doyle was made the scapegoat for racist behavior by a number of Iowa coaches and left Iowa with a $1M buyout.

Although Doyle probably deserved to be fired at Iowa it does seem unfair he has not had the chance to re-hab his image.

All of the above.

(09-11-2023 02:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

Well I would have said Petrino, but .....the Aggies hired him.

I can tell you who it should be, Brian Harsin. He apparently refused to evaluate high school players and call on them on Friday nights. He was accused of leaving recruits at the airport without transportation. He scheduled a talent evaluation for the Phenix City / Columbus Georgia area and it was said that none of his coaches showed up to the event, nor did he. He did nothing literally for two years while at Auburn. Disgusting is one thing. Derelict in duty is another.

I feel like there is joke here somewhere about coaches touching things they shouldn't is what ultimately made them untouchable, but its a hard subject to joke about.

Art Briles. He's still radioactive. Several years after the Baylor scandals, he ended up resigning a class 3A high school job in east Texas after taking that school to the state semifinals. He's been coaching in Italy. He would win and win big if someone hired him, but the PR hit is too great.

He's a heck of a coach, but the price to be associated with him is way too high. His son Kendal will probably never get a head coaching job due to the events at Baylor. Same with Jeff Lebby, who will do well to keep his job as OC at OU after his father-in-law went on the field in Norman last Saturday night. Both have had to tread lightly to advance in the coaching profession.

I would not have recognized Art Briles if I passed him on the street.

Beyond Jerry Sandusky, none of those coaches is truly untouchable everywhere. Time heals all wounds…..

Each of the listed coaches will serve the usual coaching rehabilitation assignments: assistant coach, head coach at smaller school before returning to the spotlight.

With that being said, lets not assume Mel Tucker is guilty of anything except being accused. There’s always a knee jerk reaction to paint the man in any situation like this as guilty.

While it’s embarrassing that doesn’t make it illegal. How do you sexually assault someone thousands of miles away who could have simply ended the call.

If I’m Tucker I would push for a public hearing to face my accuser. Make her publicly answer why she didn’t just simply terminate the call.

MSU may be using this situation to rid themselves of a underperforming coach they may have overpaid for. Unless there is a moral turpitude clause in his contract, MSU is going to have a tough time not honoring the contract.

(09-12-2023 04:16 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  While it’s embarrassing that doesn’t make it illegal. How do you sexually assault someone thousands of miles away who could have simply ended the call.

Exactly. If this goes to a court and they rule that he illegally/criminally would ever be charged with sexual assault, or it implies that his zoom call from thousands of miles away constitutes sexual assault in any way shape or form, that's not good for society. What are we becoming?

Everyone should start carrying around consent forms for people to sign before every conversation. Or give everyone a DocuSign.

Slippery slope here.

(09-11-2023 09:48 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Art Briles. He's still radioactive. Several years after the Baylor scandals, he ended up resigning a class 3A high school job in east Texas after taking that school to the state semifinals. He's been coaching in Italy. He would win and win big if someone hired him, but the PR hit is too great.

He's a heck of a coach, but the price to be associated with him is way too high. His son Kendal will probably never get a head coaching job due to the events at Baylor. Same with Jeff Lebby, who will do well to keep his job as OC at OU after his father-in-law went on the field in Norman last Saturday night. Both have had to tread lightly to advance in the coaching profession.

Think about this with a little detachment. Art Briles was not charged with any crimes. He didn't do any of the bad stuff personally, just protected those who did. He did not coach at Oklahoma, so there is no association. And yet OU throws a fit and forces their coach to apologize because their coach let their Father-in-Law on the field with him after a win and somebody caught it on camera.

That is nutty level untouchable.

(09-11-2023 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 02:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

Well I would have said Petrino, but .....the Aggies hired him.

I can tell you who it should be, Brian Harsin. He apparently refused to evaluate high school players and call on them on Friday nights. He was accused of leaving recruits at the airport without transportation. He scheduled a talent evaluation for the Phenix City / Columbus Georgia area and it was said that none of his coaches showed up to the event, nor did he. He did nothing literally for two years while at Auburn. Disgusting is one thing. Derelict in duty is another.

Harsin did a very poor job at Auburn, no arguments here. However, he's not going to be treated like he has leprosy if he wanders onto a Boise field after a game ends. CFB is littered with people like Harsin. I'm looking more for people who have been blackballed for non-football reasons.

On an interesting note, I was listening to ESPN radio in SA earlier today, and the hosts of the show were saying that they think Briles should get another shot somewhere (just not somewhere that's only 4 hrs from Waco).

Regarding Petrino, what he did at the time seemed like it was unforgivable and was a career-ender. However, we've seen much worse come down the pike lately, from institutional hazing at Northwestern, coaches masturbating on calls with sexual assault survivors, all the craziness at Baylor under Briles, etc etc etc. Looking back on it, all Petrino really did was cheat on his wife with a hotter/younger staffer. Heck, Louisville hired him back a couple of years later, he was rehabilitated by 2014. He got fired in 2018, not for personal issues, but for the boring old reason of "not enough W's".

(09-12-2023 11:55 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 02:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

Well I would have said Petrino, but .....the Aggies hired him.

I can tell you who it should be, Brian Harsin. He apparently refused to evaluate high school players and call on them on Friday nights. He was accused of leaving recruits at the airport without transportation. He scheduled a talent evaluation for the Phenix City / Columbus Georgia area and it was said that none of his coaches showed up to the event, nor did he. He did nothing literally for two years while at Auburn. Disgusting is one thing. Derelict in duty is another.

Harsin did a very poor job at Auburn, no arguments here. However, he's not going to be treated like he has leprosy if he wanders onto a Boise field after a game ends. CFB is littered with people like Harsin. I'm looking more for people who have been blackballed for non-football reasons.

On an interesting note, I was listening to ESPN radio in SA earlier today, and the hosts of the show were saying that they think Briles should get another shot somewhere (just not somewhere that's only 4 hrs from Waco).

Regarding Petrino, what he did at the time seemed like it was unforgivable and was a career-ender. However, we've seen much worse come down the pike lately, from institutional hazing at Northwestern, coaches masturbating on calls with sexual assault survivors, all the craziness at Baylor under Briles, etc etc etc. Looking back on it, all Petrino really did was cheat on his wife with a hotter/younger staffer. Heck, Louisville hired him back a couple of years later, he was rehabilitated by 2014. He got fired in 2018, not for personal issues, but for the boring old reason of "not enough W's".

Well what Petrino also did was get his girlfriend a job in the AD. That is where his actions crossed the line from personal to borderline criminal misuse of university funds.

Definitely appears to be Briles after that incident at OU...

(09-12-2023 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:48 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Art Briles. He's still radioactive. Several years after the Baylor scandals, he ended up resigning a class 3A high school job in east Texas after taking that school to the state semifinals. He's been coaching in Italy. He would win and win big if someone hired him, but the PR hit is too great.

He's a heck of a coach, but the price to be associated with him is way too high. His son Kendal will probably never get a head coaching job due to the events at Baylor. Same with Jeff Lebby, who will do well to keep his job as OC at OU after his father-in-law went on the field in Norman last Saturday night. Both have had to tread lightly to advance in the coaching profession.

Think about this with a little detachment. Art Briles was not charged with any crimes. He didn't do any of the bad stuff personally, just protected those who did. He did not coach at Oklahoma, so there is no association. And yet OU throws a fit and forces their coach to apologize because their coach let their Father-in-Law on the field with him after a win and somebody caught it on camera.

That is nutty level untouchable.

It's interesting what turns someone so radioactive that they can't ever get a job again. I mean, Schiano was so radioactive that Tennessee students forced the school to rescind a coaching offer to him. tOSU had no such qualms, but then Bill Bellicheck of all people ended up rescinding an offer to him in 2019. And Schiano was accused in sworn testimony of knowing about Sandusky and doing nothing. How is that not worse than Art Briles covering up misdeeds by extremely athletic young men? I literally cannot imagine a scenario in which I saw something like that and didn't either kill the person on the spot, or at least report it to the Police. However, could I imagine sticking by a player I personally recruited who has had a troubled past and is being accused of a misdeed by an ex girlfriend with a grudge? Yes, yes I could. Briles' transgression was a matter of degree, he covered up too much and looked the other way too much while really bad things were happening all around him, and he got fired for it. But all these years later, he's still so radioactive that he can't even step on the field to talk to his son-in-law after a game, while Schiano knew about Sandusky raping young boys and did NOTHING ABOUT IT and he's been hired by tOSU and now Rutgers since that information came to light. It's just very surprising to me.