(09-12-2023 11:55 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Regarding Petrino, what he did at the time seemed like it was unforgivable and was a career-ender. However, we've seen much worse come down the pike lately, from institutional hazing at Northwestern, coaches masturbating on calls with sexual assault survivors, all the craziness at Baylor under Briles, etc etc etc. Looking back on it, all Petrino really did was cheat on his wife with a hotter/younger staffer. Heck, Louisville hired him back a couple of years later, he was rehabilitated by 2014. He got fired in 2018, not for personal issues, but for the boring old reason of "not enough W's".

Petrino had already been coaching again at Western Kentucky when Louisville brought him back. Bobby is working his way back into The SEC. If he’s successful at A&M as the OC, I would expect him to end up back at an SEC school as head coach.

(09-12-2023 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:55 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 02:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

Well I would have said Petrino, but .....the Aggies hired him.

I can tell you who it should be, Brian Harsin. He apparently refused to evaluate high school players and call on them on Friday nights. He was accused of leaving recruits at the airport without transportation. He scheduled a talent evaluation for the Phenix City / Columbus Georgia area and it was said that none of his coaches showed up to the event, nor did he. He did nothing literally for two years while at Auburn. Disgusting is one thing. Derelict in duty is another.

Harsin did a very poor job at Auburn, no arguments here. However, he's not going to be treated like he has leprosy if he wanders onto a Boise field after a game ends. CFB is littered with people like Harsin. I'm looking more for people who have been blackballed for non-football reasons.

On an interesting note, I was listening to ESPN radio in SA earlier today, and the hosts of the show were saying that they think Briles should get another shot somewhere (just not somewhere that's only 4 hrs from Waco).

Regarding Petrino, what he did at the time seemed like it was unforgivable and was a career-ender. However, we've seen much worse come down the pike lately, from institutional hazing at Northwestern, coaches masturbating on calls with sexual assault survivors, all the craziness at Baylor under Briles, etc etc etc. Looking back on it, all Petrino really did was cheat on his wife with a hotter/younger staffer. Heck, Louisville hired him back a couple of years later, he was rehabilitated by 2014. He got fired in 2018, not for personal issues, but for the boring old reason of "not enough W's".

Well what Petrino also did was get his girlfriend a job in the AD. That is where his actions crossed the line from personal to borderline criminal misuse of university funds.

Yeah bc no head coach anywhere has ever done that before. It would have been an open secret and nobody would have cared, but for the motorcycle wreck.

I’m not excusing what he did, he very much deserved to be fired, but claiming it was “borderline criminal” is absurd. He had another job within a couple of years and the protests were minimal.

(09-12-2023 05:15 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:55 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 02:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

Well I would have said Petrino, but .....the Aggies hired him.

I can tell you who it should be, Brian Harsin. He apparently refused to evaluate high school players and call on them on Friday nights. He was accused of leaving recruits at the airport without transportation. He scheduled a talent evaluation for the Phenix City / Columbus Georgia area and it was said that none of his coaches showed up to the event, nor did he. He did nothing literally for two years while at Auburn. Disgusting is one thing. Derelict in duty is another.

Harsin did a very poor job at Auburn, no arguments here. However, he's not going to be treated like he has leprosy if he wanders onto a Boise field after a game ends. CFB is littered with people like Harsin. I'm looking more for people who have been blackballed for non-football reasons.

On an interesting note, I was listening to ESPN radio in SA earlier today, and the hosts of the show were saying that they think Briles should get another shot somewhere (just not somewhere that's only 4 hrs from Waco).

Regarding Petrino, what he did at the time seemed like it was unforgivable and was a career-ender. However, we've seen much worse come down the pike lately, from institutional hazing at Northwestern, coaches masturbating on calls with sexual assault survivors, all the craziness at Baylor under Briles, etc etc etc. Looking back on it, all Petrino really did was cheat on his wife with a hotter/younger staffer. Heck, Louisville hired him back a couple of years later, he was rehabilitated by 2014. He got fired in 2018, not for personal issues, but for the boring old reason of "not enough W's".

Well what Petrino also did was get his girlfriend a job in the AD. That is where his actions crossed the line from personal to borderline criminal misuse of university funds.

Yeah bc no head coach anywhere has ever done that before. It would have been an open secret and nobody would have cared, but for the motorcycle wreck.

I’m not excusing what he did, he very much deserved to be fired, but claiming it was “borderline criminal” is absurd. He had another job within a couple of years and the protests were minimal.

Arranging to get his girlfriend hired who had no particular skills is borderline theft of university resources.

(09-12-2023 05:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 05:15 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:55 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well I would have said Petrino, but .....the Aggies hired him.

I can tell you who it should be, Brian Harsin. He apparently refused to evaluate high school players and call on them on Friday nights. He was accused of leaving recruits at the airport without transportation. He scheduled a talent evaluation for the Phenix City / Columbus Georgia area and it was said that none of his coaches showed up to the event, nor did he. He did nothing literally for two years while at Auburn. Disgusting is one thing. Derelict in duty is another.

Harsin did a very poor job at Auburn, no arguments here. However, he's not going to be treated like he has leprosy if he wanders onto a Boise field after a game ends. CFB is littered with people like Harsin. I'm looking more for people who have been blackballed for non-football reasons.

On an interesting note, I was listening to ESPN radio in SA earlier today, and the hosts of the show were saying that they think Briles should get another shot somewhere (just not somewhere that's only 4 hrs from Waco).

Regarding Petrino, what he did at the time seemed like it was unforgivable and was a career-ender. However, we've seen much worse come down the pike lately, from institutional hazing at Northwestern, coaches masturbating on calls with sexual assault survivors, all the craziness at Baylor under Briles, etc etc etc. Looking back on it, all Petrino really did was cheat on his wife with a hotter/younger staffer. Heck, Louisville hired him back a couple of years later, he was rehabilitated by 2014. He got fired in 2018, not for personal issues, but for the boring old reason of "not enough W's".

Well what Petrino also did was get his girlfriend a job in the AD. That is where his actions crossed the line from personal to borderline criminal misuse of university funds.

Yeah bc no head coach anywhere has ever done that before. It would have been an open secret and nobody would have cared, but for the motorcycle wreck.

I’m not excusing what he did, he very much deserved to be fired, but claiming it was “borderline criminal” is absurd. He had another job within a couple of years and the protests were minimal.

Arranging to get his girlfriend hired who had no particular skills is borderline theft of university resources.

Uh huh. That’s why Western Kentucky immediately hired him, and within 3 years he was back at Louisville.

Your statement is borderline ridiculous.

(09-11-2023 07:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 07:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  Jerry Sandusky?

This is the right answer to the question I asked, I should have just excluded him by saying something like "the person must be living and not have been convicted of any crime".

I wouldn't say he's in or around CFB today either..

(09-12-2023 09:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 05:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 05:15 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:55 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Harsin did a very poor job at Auburn, no arguments here. However, he's not going to be treated like he has leprosy if he wanders onto a Boise field after a game ends. CFB is littered with people like Harsin. I'm looking more for people who have been blackballed for non-football reasons.

On an interesting note, I was listening to ESPN radio in SA earlier today, and the hosts of the show were saying that they think Briles should get another shot somewhere (just not somewhere that's only 4 hrs from Waco).

Regarding Petrino, what he did at the time seemed like it was unforgivable and was a career-ender. However, we've seen much worse come down the pike lately, from institutional hazing at Northwestern, coaches masturbating on calls with sexual assault survivors, all the craziness at Baylor under Briles, etc etc etc. Looking back on it, all Petrino really did was cheat on his wife with a hotter/younger staffer. Heck, Louisville hired him back a couple of years later, he was rehabilitated by 2014. He got fired in 2018, not for personal issues, but for the boring old reason of "not enough W's".

Well what Petrino also did was get his girlfriend a job in the AD. That is where his actions crossed the line from personal to borderline criminal misuse of university funds.

Yeah bc no head coach anywhere has ever done that before. It would have been an open secret and nobody would have cared, but for the motorcycle wreck.

I’m not excusing what he did, he very much deserved to be fired, but claiming it was “borderline criminal” is absurd. He had another job within a couple of years and the protests were minimal.

Arranging to get his girlfriend hired who had no particular skills is borderline theft of university resources.

Uh huh. That’s why Western Kentucky immediately hired him, and within 3 years he was back at Louisville.

Your statement is borderline ridiculous.

Your statement is totally ridiculous. WKU and UL hired him because he won. And winning means money. That's what realignment is about. Its also why nobody who was already in the P5 hired him. They could attract good coaches without the baggage. UL was still in CUSA at the time.

(09-12-2023 10:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 05:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 05:15 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  Well what Petrino also did was get his girlfriend a job in the AD. That is where his actions crossed the line from personal to borderline criminal misuse of university funds.

Yeah bc no head coach anywhere has ever done that before. It would have been an open secret and nobody would have cared, but for the motorcycle wreck.

I’m not excusing what he did, he very much deserved to be fired, but claiming it was “borderline criminal” is absurd. He had another job within a couple of years and the protests were minimal.

Arranging to get his girlfriend hired who had no particular skills is borderline theft of university resources.

Uh huh. That’s why Western Kentucky immediately hired him, and within 3 years he was back at Louisville.

Your statement is borderline ridiculous.

Your statement is totally ridiculous. WKU and UL hired him because he won. And winning means money. That's what realignment is about. Its also why nobody who was already in the P5 hired him. They could attract good coaches without the baggage. UL was still in CUSA at the time.

Art Briles won, too. A LOT.

(09-12-2023 04:16 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Beyond Jerry Sandusky, none of those coaches is truly untouchable everywhere. Time heals all wounds…..

Each of the listed coaches will serve the usual coaching rehabilitation assignments: assistant coach, head coach at smaller school before returning to the spotlight.

With that being said, lets not assume Mel Tucker is guilty of anything except being accused. There’s always a knee jerk reaction to paint the man in any situation like this as guilty.

While it’s embarrassing that doesn’t make it illegal. How do you sexually assault someone thousands of miles away who could have simply ended the call.

Mel Tucker has already admitted to having phone sex with an athletic department vendor, a conflict of interest that would get almost anybody fired, even if it was consensual, given the business interests at play. The hearing is important for other reasons, but based purely on what he has already admitted, Michigan State has grounds to (very justifiably) terminate his contract.

The answer is pretty easily Briles, and part of that is because he's been so damn unapologetic behind the scenes...and given how many other people who were directly involved with the Baylor scandals have more or less skated off into the sunset, I understand why he feels the way that he does.

(09-11-2023 09:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would not have recognized Art Briles if I passed him on the street.

Yeah. Hey, I think Billy Bob Thornton could play him.

(09-12-2023 11:43 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would not have recognized Art Briles if I passed him on the street.

Yeah. Hey, I think Billy Bob Thornton could play him.

Nah, Billy Bob would honor him by his portrayal. Kevin Spacey on the other hand would get under his skin!

One untouchable should play another.

(09-12-2023 12:05 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:48 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Art Briles. He's still radioactive. Several years after the Baylor scandals, he ended up resigning a class 3A high school job in east Texas after taking that school to the state semifinals. He's been coaching in Italy. He would win and win big if someone hired him, but the PR hit is too great.

He's a heck of a coach, but the price to be associated with him is way too high. His son Kendal will probably never get a head coaching job due to the events at Baylor. Same with Jeff Lebby, who will do well to keep his job as OC at OU after his father-in-law went on the field in Norman last Saturday night. Both have had to tread lightly to advance in the coaching profession.

Think about this with a little detachment. Art Briles was not charged with any crimes. He didn't do any of the bad stuff personally, just protected those who did. He did not coach at Oklahoma, so there is no association. And yet OU throws a fit and forces their coach to apologize because their coach let their Father-in-Law on the field with him after a win and somebody caught it on camera.

That is nutty level untouchable.

It's interesting what turns someone so radioactive that they can't ever get a job again. I mean, Schiano was so radioactive that Tennessee students forced the school to rescind a coaching offer to him. tOSU had no such qualms, but then Bill Bellicheck of all people ended up rescinding an offer to him in 2019. And Schiano was accused in sworn testimony of knowing about Sandusky and doing nothing. How is that not worse than Art Briles covering up misdeeds by extremely athletic young men? I literally cannot imagine a scenario in which I saw something like that and didn't either kill the person on the spot, or at least report it to the Police. However, could I imagine sticking by a player I personally recruited who has had a troubled past and is being accused of a misdeed by an ex girlfriend with a grudge? Yes, yes I could. Briles' transgression was a matter of degree, he covered up too much and looked the other way too much while really bad things were happening all around him, and he got fired for it. But all these years later, he's still so radioactive that he can't even step on the field to talk to his son-in-law after a game, while Schiano knew about Sandusky raping young boys and did NOTHING ABOUT IT and he's been hired by tOSU and now Rutgers since that information came to light. It's just very surprising to me.

It's surprising because it's irrational (not to mention that so many take these accusations as proven).

We haven't even started talking about how schools such as Oklahoma, who are embarassed by his presence on the sideline, will put a uniform on people of far lower character.

(09-13-2023 04:55 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 12:05 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:48 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Art Briles. He's still radioactive. Several years after the Baylor scandals, he ended up resigning a class 3A high school job in east Texas after taking that school to the state semifinals. He's been coaching in Italy. He would win and win big if someone hired him, but the PR hit is too great.

He's a heck of a coach, but the price to be associated with him is way too high. His son Kendal will probably never get a head coaching job due to the events at Baylor. Same with Jeff Lebby, who will do well to keep his job as OC at OU after his father-in-law went on the field in Norman last Saturday night. Both have had to tread lightly to advance in the coaching profession.

Think about this with a little detachment. Art Briles was not charged with any crimes. He didn't do any of the bad stuff personally, just protected those who did. He did not coach at Oklahoma, so there is no association. And yet OU throws a fit and forces their coach to apologize because their coach let their Father-in-Law on the field with him after a win and somebody caught it on camera.

That is nutty level untouchable.

It's interesting what turns someone so radioactive that they can't ever get a job again. I mean, Schiano was so radioactive that Tennessee students forced the school to rescind a coaching offer to him. tOSU had no such qualms, but then Bill Bellicheck of all people ended up rescinding an offer to him in 2019. And Schiano was accused in sworn testimony of knowing about Sandusky and doing nothing. How is that not worse than Art Briles covering up misdeeds by extremely athletic young men? I literally cannot imagine a scenario in which I saw something like that and didn't either kill the person on the spot, or at least report it to the Police. However, could I imagine sticking by a player I personally recruited who has had a troubled past and is being accused of a misdeed by an ex girlfriend with a grudge? Yes, yes I could. Briles' transgression was a matter of degree, he covered up too much and looked the other way too much while really bad things were happening all around him, and he got fired for it. But all these years later, he's still so radioactive that he can't even step on the field to talk to his son-in-law after a game, while Schiano knew about Sandusky raping young boys and did NOTHING ABOUT IT and he's been hired by tOSU and now Rutgers since that information came to light. It's just very surprising to me.

It's surprising because it's irrational (not to mention that so many take these accusations as proven).

We haven't even started talking about how schools such as Oklahoma, who are embarassed by his presence on the sideline, will put a uniform on people of far lower character.

Yeah, it's weird. I don't care at all about Baylor, or Briles, Rutgers, Schiano, Tucker, etc etc etc, but sometimes these things happen and nobody is quite sure why one guy was permanently blacklisted while most others were eventually able to rehabilitate their public images.

(09-11-2023 02:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

At first sight I understood the heading's 'untouchable' the opposite way. Who is someone universally revered? Someone about whom people refuse to tolerate any bad news?

There are not many of those in sport, I guess. Some historical figures, perhaps.

(09-11-2023 09:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would not have recognized Art Briles if I passed him on the street.

That's the point. He changed his look as did Gregg Williams after the Saints "Bountygate" scandal a decade ago.

Old look: Saints
New look: Rams

(09-13-2023 06:05 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 02:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  So, I saw this whole brouhaha about Lebby talking to his father-in-law after the OU game on the field the other day. Why was it dramatic? B/c his father-in-law is Art Briles. It got me to thinkin', who's the most "untouchable" or "unwanted anywhere near my program" person in CFB today?

At first sight I understood the heading's 'untouchable' the opposite way. Who is someone universally revered? Someone about whom people refuse to tolerate any bad news?

There are not many of those in sport, I guess. Some historical figures, perhaps.

Once upon a time, Paterno would have been on that list...yet, he was clearly not above reproach. I think that it's very difficult to say that any living person is because there may be skeletons that have not been exposed yet. Is there a single person alive today whose reputation would remain intact after it came to light that he buried evidence of child molestation? Any person, any country? I think not. Even someone like, say, Mother Theresa or George Washington could have his or her reputation tarnished if past wrongdoing were to come to light in the future.

(09-13-2023 07:31 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would not have recognized Art Briles if I passed him on the street.

That's the point. He changed his look as did Gregg Williams after the Saints "Bountygate" scandal a decade ago.

Old look: Saints
New look: Rams

Yeah, bountygate was a pretty nasty scandal. I wonder how many teams quietly stopped doing that after seeing what happened to New Orleans over it? Heck, back in the old days, you'd probably get fired if you DIDN'T put bounties on opposing players.

(09-11-2023 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Who was the guy Pitt hired and beat up a woman? What is he up to?

Michael Haywood. Reached a plea deal, took six years off coaching, and was hired as HC at Texas Southern (resigned/fired after three bad seasons). His last tweet was from 2019 and couldn’t find any assistant jobs so looks like he fell off the map.