They're going to posture all they can but at the end of the day, there is really only one route where they can come out as far ahead as possibe:

-Reverse merger with the entire MWC joining the PAC ensuring OSU and Wazzu keep as much of the assets as possible.

-Get a new TV deal, work on schedules and get Gonzaga to join the Conference in 2024. Gonzaga would give the Conference 14 Full time and 14 Football members.

-The media deal should be better then the current AAC one, that will enable the new PAC to poach UTSA and UNT (ONLY IF they add value) to get to Gloria's/MWC Comissioners idea number of 16 Full time and Football members.

(09-01-2023 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  PAC 12: If none of the MWC and AAC schools will move.
UC-Davis
Cal Poly
Sacramento State
Montana
Montana State
Weber State
Northern Arizona
UTEP
OSU
WSU

Then try your best to lure MWC schools.

Gloria should try and build to be the third best FBS conference better than Big 12 and ACC by trying to grab the best strong schools they can get with OSU and WSU.

Let's pump the breaks a little. The PAC/MWC if it happens is in no way going to be 3rd best. 5th best maybe, even probably.

(09-01-2023 11:50 PM)surrealpirate Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  PAC 12: If none of the MWC and AAC schools will move.
UC-Davis
Cal Poly
Sacramento State
Montana
Montana State
Weber State
Northern Arizona
UTEP
OSU
WSU

Then try your best to lure MWC schools.

Gloria should try and build to be the third best FBS conference better than Big 12 and ACC by trying to grab the best strong schools they can get with OSU and WSU.

Let's pump the breaks a little. The PAC/MWC if it happens is in no way going to be 3rd best. 5th best maybe, even probably.

It’ll be the MWC under the Pac-12 banner.

Oregon State and Washington State will have other Western flagship/land grant schools such as Wyoming, New Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada, Utah State, Colorado State and the Cal State flagship……San Diego State. It won’t be the third best FBS conference but it’ll definitely be the best G5 which does not mean much these days.

Anyone remember this old tweet:

??????

because this is what I believe is happening behind the scenes. Could be wrong though, but would explain OSU's & WSU's reluctance to join the MWC. Plus, they hired Oliver Luck, who is quite familiar with the Big XII. It all adds up, IMO.

(09-01-2023 11:57 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:50 PM)surrealpirate Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  PAC 12: If none of the MWC and AAC schools will move.
UC-Davis
Cal Poly
Sacramento State
Montana
Montana State
Weber State
Northern Arizona
UTEP
OSU
WSU

Then try your best to lure MWC schools.

Gloria should try and build to be the third best FBS conference better than Big 12 and ACC by trying to grab the best strong schools they can get with OSU and WSU.

Let's pump the breaks a little. The PAC/MWC if it happens is in no way going to be 3rd best. 5th best maybe, even probably.

It’ll be the MWC under the Pac-12 banner.

Oregon State and Washington State will have other Western flagship/land grant schools such as Wyoming, New Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada, Utah State, Colorado State and the Cal State flagship……San Diego State. It won’t be the third best FBS conference but it’ll definitely be the best G5 which does not mean much these days.

AKA 5th best as I mentioned, and thats best case scenario. I'm not sold that OSU and WSU all of the sudden make the MWC that much better competitively.

What a weird world. Apparently Oregon State and Washington State are now desirable..... I felt like throwing up in my mouth every time we had to travel to Oregon State. And the same goes for Washington State. Neither one of those programs had any right to be supposed power programs to begin with.

(09-02-2023 12:02 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Anyone remember this old tweet:

??????

because this is what I believe is happening behind the scenes. Could be wrong though, but would explain OSU's & WSU's reluctance to join the MWC. Plus, they hired Oliver Luck, who is quite familiar with the Big XII. It all adds up, IMO.

Well they didn't know until the last 24 hours that Cal and Stanford weren't with them. And Yormack has said the Big 12 is done for now. No UConn, no Gonzaga, not anyone else.

(09-02-2023 12:02 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  ... ??????

because this is what I believe is happening behind the scenes. Could be wrong though, but would explain OSU's & WSU's reluctance to join the MWC. ...

What is there to explain? Stanford and Cal's move to the ACC wasn't a done deal until last Friday. So long as Stanford and Cal might remain in the PAC4, Oregon State and Wazzou are not going to be able to just invite the entire MWC to join the PAC. There are schools in the MWC that Stanford and Cal simply would not contemplate inviting to join a conference they are in.

From D1.ticker:

The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel writes on where Oregon State & Washington State go from here, wonders if the Beavers & Cougars could proceed with a two-member Pac-12 given significant revenues still owed to the conference (though it’s also a party on a number of notable lawsuits): “NCAA bylaws require a conference to have at least eight members — but there is a two-year grace period to get back to that number. Silly as it sounds, the Pac-12 could theoretically operate as a two-team conference in 2024-25 and 2025-26, with Oregon State and Washington State largely making their own schedules. In other words: Stall. [...] But if nothing else, 2026 is also when the Mountain West’s current deals with Fox and CBS expire, at which point all those schools become free agents.”

(09-02-2023 11:58 AM)unalions Wrote:  From D1.ticker:

The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel writes on where Oregon State & Washington State go from here, wonders if the Beavers & Cougars could proceed with a two-member Pac-12 given significant revenues still owed to the conference (though it’s also a party on a number of notable lawsuits): “NCAA bylaws require a conference to have at least eight members — but there is a two-year grace period to get back to that number. Silly as it sounds, the Pac-12 could theoretically operate as a two-team conference in 2024-25 and 2025-26, with Oregon State and Washington State largely making their own schedules. In other words: Stall. [...] But if nothing else, 2026 is also when the Mountain West’s current deals with Fox and CBS expire, at which point all those schools become free agents.”

Basketball + Olympic sport scheduling would be difficult.

(09-02-2023 12:07 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:57 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:50 PM)surrealpirate Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  PAC 12: If none of the MWC and AAC schools will move.
UC-Davis
Cal Poly
Sacramento State
Montana
Montana State
Weber State
Northern Arizona
UTEP
OSU
WSU

Then try your best to lure MWC schools.

Gloria should try and build to be the third best FBS conference better than Big 12 and ACC by trying to grab the best strong schools they can get with OSU and WSU.

Let's pump the breaks a little. The PAC/MWC if it happens is in no way going to be 3rd best. 5th best maybe, even probably.

It’ll be the MWC under the Pac-12 banner.

Oregon State and Washington State will have other Western flagship/land grant schools such as Wyoming, New Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada, Utah State, Colorado State and the Cal State flagship……San Diego State. It won’t be the third best FBS conference but it’ll definitely be the best G5 which does not mean much these days.

AKA 5th best as I mentioned, and thats best case scenario. I'm not sold that OSU and WSU all of the sudden make the MWC that much better competitively.

Wazzu pulled above its weight in the Pac-10/12. Oregon State not so much but at least they have a BCS bowl victory. Can schools like Rutgers, Mississippi State and Texas Tech say the same?

Culturally they fit the flagship/land grant schools in the MWC. Will both contend for the G5 spot in the expanded CFP? Probably not but the same can be said of the vast majority of G5 schools.

Whether those two join the MWC or the MWC merges with the Pac-12, you’re correct that they’ll be at best the fifth best conference.

(09-02-2023 11:58 AM)unalions Wrote:  From D1.ticker:

The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel writes on where Oregon State & Washington State go from here, wonders if the Beavers & Cougars could proceed with a two-member Pac-12 given significant revenues still owed to the conference (though it’s also a party on a number of notable lawsuits): “NCAA bylaws require a conference to have at least eight members — but there is a two-year grace period to get back to that number. Silly as it sounds, the Pac-12 could theoretically operate as a two-team conference in 2024-25 and 2025-26, with Oregon State and Washington State largely making their own schedules. In other words: Stall. [...] But if nothing else, 2026 is also when the Mountain West’s current deals with Fox and CBS expire, at which point all those schools become free agents.”

Won’t work. Need 6 for bb bids

Only way WS/OS have a shot is a grab at AAC first. Even then the question is would AAC schools want to take the chance.
Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, and 2 tex schools likely need to be convinced to jump as a group.
That would give Pac 7 schools for 2024.

Then you need to pull off same thing in MWC for 2025
SD st, Fresno, Boise, Col St, AF
give you best of both Mwc/AAC, and new Pac 12 all sports schools.
Question would be can they get an 9 or 10 million deal?

Rebuild the PAC by convincing MWC to disband (9 votes). Add 6 of those schools to PAC. AFA/CSU/UNM head over to the AAC.

Then you’ve got three leagues (PAC/AAC/SBC) battling for the last two CFP spots in ‘25 and ‘26.

I can easily see 9 MWC schools dissolve the conference and I think SJSU, Hawaii and Wyoming holding an empty bag.

(09-02-2023 12:36 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Only way WS/OS have a shot is a grab at AAC first. Even then the question is would AAC schools want to take the chance.
Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, and 2 tex schools likely need to be convinced to jump as a group.
That would give Pac 7 schools for 2024.

Then you need to pull off same thing in MWC for 2025
SD st, Fresno, Boise, Col St, AF
give you best of both Mwc/AAC, and new Pac 12 all sports schools.
Question would be can they get an 9 or 10 million deal?

But what AAC schools what to pay a high exit fee to go from 7M to 9-10M? None of the MWC school will pay 34M to go from 4.5M to 9-10M.

(09-02-2023 12:02 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Anyone remember this old tweet:

??????

because this is what I believe is happening behind the scenes. Could be wrong though, but would explain OSU's & WSU's reluctance to join the MWC. Plus, they hired Oliver Luck, who is quite familiar with the Big XII. It all adds up, IMO.

I mean---it could potentially make sense if its a Cal/Stanford/SMU type 9 year buy in deal. ESPN would probably fund that themselves.

(09-02-2023 12:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 11:58 AM)unalions Wrote:  From D1.ticker:

The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel writes on where Oregon State & Washington State go from here, wonders if the Beavers & Cougars could proceed with a two-member Pac-12 given significant revenues still owed to the conference (though it’s also a party on a number of notable lawsuits): “NCAA bylaws require a conference to have at least eight members — but there is a two-year grace period to get back to that number. Silly as it sounds, the Pac-12 could theoretically operate as a two-team conference in 2024-25 and 2025-26, with Oregon State and Washington State largely making their own schedules. In other words: Stall. [...] But if nothing else, 2026 is also when the Mountain West’s current deals with Fox and CBS expire, at which point all those schools become free agents.”

Won’t work. Need 6 for bb bids

2 year grace period.

You can talk about 2 year grace period all you want. The NCAA isn’t going to hand out an auto bid for a 2 team conference. It won’t come to that because Oregon St and Washington St aren’t going to operate a 2 team conference. It would be embarrassing and do them more harm than good.

Even Mandell says “silly as it sounds” but goes on to say it’s a viable option. Then the MW schools will be available.