(08-22-2023 11:31 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:06 AM)HCJag Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 08:39 AM)KRT8871 Wrote:  It makes sense that C-USA would clean up its bylaws after the SB3 made it abundantly clear they were full of holes. But I'm surprised the non-call ups in the conference would make it significantly harder to leave with the potential of the MWC and AAC needing to in fill.

Me too, but I don't think a 4-yr GOR in CUSA is going to keep LaTech, WKU and MTSU from doing whatever it is that they want to do. If something better comes along, dey gone.

Didnt MTSU just reject an offer from the MAC, which resulted in WKU being forced to stay in Judy-land too? MT had a chance for something better and didnt take it... screwing WKU in the process.

The MAC isn't better. If you look at basketball and baseball, they are worse than CUSA now. And if you look at where teams are projected in 2023, the average CUSA football team narrowly did better than the average MAC team. MAC has 9 of the worst 25 FBS stadiums, the lowest attendance of any conference, and cold weather games in November in Ohio and Michigan.

WKU wanted to take the deal for stability, plus being in a conference of schools that had been FBS for decades, versus multiple FCS call-ups. I don't think it was a good fit and the GOR (I remember 10 years, not 20, but also don't pretend it was that vital that I'd for sure remember) made it a bad long term deal.

(08-22-2023 12:31 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 12:21 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 12:07 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 11:31 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  Didnt MTSU just reject an offer from the MAC, which resulted in WKU being forced to stay in Judy-land too? MT had a chance for something better and didnt take it... screwing WKU in the process.

The MAC isn't better. If you look at basketball and baseball, they are worse than CUSA now. And if you look at where teams are projected in 2023, the average CUSA football team narrowly did better than the average MAC team. MAC has 9 of the worst 25 FBS stadiums, the lowest attendance of any conference, and cold weather games in November in Ohio and Michigan.

The MAC is head and shoulders above CUSA, not even close. The MAC is much more stable and has stronger leadership than CUSA. Every school in the MAC has an indoor training facility, which is not the case among current CUSA members.

You talk about baseball, yet Central Michigan knocked Liberty out of the Gainesville Regional last year.

No teams from the MAC ever get called to higher conferences. Many of the schools are near bankruptcy. Worst attendance and worst stadiums of any FBS conference. There's a lot more to sports overall than indoor training facilities in one sport.

Interesting, because two former MAC members (Cincinnati and UCF) just joined the Big 12 last month. Another former member, Temple, is now in the AAC.

Just curious, how many MAC football stadiums have you ever visited? I will take our facilities and our footprint over CUSA any day!

All of those moved to C-USA and then the AAC first.

(08-22-2023 02:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 11:31 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:06 AM)HCJag Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 08:39 AM)KRT8871 Wrote:  It makes sense that C-USA would clean up its bylaws after the SB3 made it abundantly clear they were full of holes. But I'm surprised the non-call ups in the conference would make it significantly harder to leave with the potential of the MWC and AAC needing to in fill.

Me too, but I don't think a 4-yr GOR in CUSA is going to keep LaTech, WKU and MTSU from doing whatever it is that they want to do. If something better comes along, dey gone.

Didnt MTSU just reject an offer from the MAC, which resulted in WKU being forced to stay in Judy-land too? MT had a chance for something better and didnt take it... screwing WKU in the process.

The MAC isn't better. If you look at basketball and baseball, they are worse than CUSA now. And if you look at where teams are projected in 2023, the average CUSA football team narrowly did better than the average MAC team. MAC has 9 of the worst 25 FBS stadiums, the lowest attendance of any conference, and cold weather games in November in Ohio and Michigan.

WKU wanted to take the deal for stability, plus being in a conference of schools that had been FBS for decades, versus multiple FCS call-ups. I don't think it was a good fit and the GOR (I remember 10 years, not 20, but also don't pretend it was that vital that I'd for sure remember) made it a bad long term deal.

The MAC was and is more stable than CUSA. I think the GoR would have been for the duration of the MAC's media deal, which they were attempting to extend for 10 years with the additions of WKU/MTSU (based on message board rumors).

I am not too upset with how things have shook out. When the 9 initially announced their departures there were a lot of rumblings about CUSA adding every FCS in Texas. Luckily calmer heads prevailed and we took 2 FBS independents, called up 2 FCS programs with solid history and at least decent fan support, and then added KSU to make media partners happy (both from a market and inventory standpoint).

I am not happy we apparently signed a 5 year GoR, but I understand why it had to be done and I also expect it wouldn't stop us from leaving for greener pastures if it came to it.

A GOR isn't going to stop the top CUSA schools from leaving. Liberty and WKU could both pretty quickly pays those fees, and Tech would turn over all the couches in their Athletic facilities looking for loose change if the AAC called.

It makes it less likely that Jackonsville State, Sam Houston, or Kennesaw bolted though.

(08-22-2023 09:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:06 AM)HCJag Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 08:39 AM)KRT8871 Wrote:  It makes sense that C-USA would clean up its bylaws after the SB3 made it abundantly clear they were full of holes. But I'm surprised the non-call ups in the conference would make it significantly harder to leave with the potential of the MWC and AAC needing to in fill.

Me too, but I don't think a 4-yr GOR in CUSA is going to keep LaTech, WKU and MTSU from doing whatever it is that they want to do. If something better comes along, dey gone.

Didnt MTSU just reject an offer from the MAC, which resulted in WKU being forced to stay in Judy-land too? MT had a chance for something better and didnt take it... screwing WKU in the process.

One interesting tidbit buried in the CUSA filing is they distributed $8M to MTSU (and only MTSU). Appears they leveraged the exit fees to pay MTSU to stick around a bit longer.

What’s that Rice lawyers handle? Get him back on here, I’m bored and need someone to make fun of.

Imagine a GOR for a stick of gum and a moon pie.

I’ll never financially recover from this.

(08-22-2023 09:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At C-USA's TV value you could buy out of that GOR for a ham sandwich. What's actually more interesting in regards to this is will we get to see in the near future what happens if you try to break a GOR? No one at the "Power" level has had the guts to legally challenge a GOR, not because it's a guarantee that it will legally hold but because the downside risk of it happening is so large. I highly doubt any court would actually hold that a conference owns your TV rights for the entire life of the GOR, in almost all cases if you can assign a monetary value to something that's what they do. So what would they assign the monetary value of a GOR? The full share of the departing member for the life of the contract? Some lesser number based upon the economic loss of the departing member? That's going to be fascinating to watch, and I'm sure FSU is hoping to see some GOR precedent get set.

Not challenging is not the same as already knowing. I would guarantee that more then P5 team has already paid for the legal viability of the clause to be thoroughly vetted.

(08-22-2023 01:43 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Man I've seen it all..

Pissing matches of the SBC and CUSA on the CUSA board... Pissing matches of the SBC and CUSA on the SBC board.. Pissing matches of the SBC and AAC on the SBC board.. Pissing matches of the SBC and AAC on the AAC board.. Pissing matches about MTSU vs a number of SBC schools on the SBC board.. Same with La Tech.. But never have I seen a pissing match on the SBC board between a MAC school and an incoming CUSA school.

We are living in exciting times.

Good point! We are living in exciting times!!!!!!!

(08-22-2023 12:21 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  No teams from the MAC ever get called to higher conferences. Many of the schools are near bankruptcy. Worst attendance and worst stadiums of any FBS conference. There's a lot more to sports overall than indoor training facilities in one sport.

A Liberty fan wants to talk smack!?!?!? Let's see your attendance(or any other school for that matter) if you had to play those November Weeknight Games. Your attendance would suck too!

(08-22-2023 04:48 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 12:21 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  No teams from the MAC ever get called to higher conferences. Many of the schools are near bankruptcy. Worst attendance and worst stadiums of any FBS conference. There's a lot more to sports overall than indoor training facilities in one sport.

A Liberty fan wants to talk smack!?!?!? Let's see your attendance(or any other school for that matter) if you had to play those November Weeknight Games. Your attendance would suck too!

Their version of MACtion is going to be in October. We will find out what their attendance will be like.

I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

(08-22-2023 07:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

That's not true at all. If the MWC gets poached, UTEP and New Mexico State could be in play. If the AAC got poached, Liberty, MTSU, and others could. La. Tech or Sam Houston could be in play for either conference. This move totally prevents MTSU and WKU from even thinking about the MAC.

(08-22-2023 07:36 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

That's not true at all. If the MWC gets poached, UTEP and New Mexico State could be in play. If the AAC got poached, Liberty, MTSU, and others could. La. Tech or Sam Houston could be in play for either conference. This move totally prevents MTSU and WKU from even thinking about the MAC.

You are confusing "need for survival" and "wanting". The only way the MWC or the AAC consider any of those teams would be the need to survive after being poached; not because either of those conferences actually want those teams.

(08-22-2023 07:36 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

That's not true at all. If the MWC gets poached, UTEP and New Mexico State could be in play. If the AAC got poached, Liberty, MTSU, and others could. La. Tech or Sam Houston could be in play for either conference. This move totally prevents MTSU and WKU from even thinking about the MAC.

No just poached but decimated.

Did you already forget it took CUSA losing 9 schools for Liberty to receive an invite? Sure if any of those conferences get decimated to that severity you'll have a good shot.

(08-22-2023 07:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

To keep the Southland from poaching them.

(08-22-2023 07:55 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

To keep the Southland from poaching them.

(08-22-2023 07:54 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:36 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

That's not true at all. If the MWC gets poached, UTEP and New Mexico State could be in play. If the AAC got poached, Liberty, MTSU, and others could. La. Tech or Sam Houston could be in play for either conference. This move totally prevents MTSU and WKU from even thinking about the MAC.

No just poached but decimated.

Did you already forget it took CUSA losing 9 schools for Liberty to receive an invite? Sure if any of those conferences get decimated to that severity you'll have a good shot.

If the alternatives are much worse, then they may have to consider Liberty out of desperation, just like CUSA did. Also, Jerry Falwell Jr. is gone and Liberty has a new stable President. Liberty's more qualified for the AAC than virtually anyone left if we are looking at winning, facilities, athletic budget....even their market isn't too bad. But I'm fine being in CUSA.

(08-22-2023 07:59 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:54 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:36 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:09 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  I have a feeling that it's already been stated somewhere in this thread but.....why would anyone care about CUSA locking up teams that nobody really wants.

That's not true at all. If the MWC gets poached, UTEP and New Mexico State could be in play. If the AAC got poached, Liberty, MTSU, and others could. La. Tech or Sam Houston could be in play for either conference. This move totally prevents MTSU and WKU from even thinking about the MAC.

No just poached but decimated.

Did you already forget it took CUSA losing 9 schools for Liberty to receive an invite? Sure if any of those conferences get decimated to that severity you'll have a good shot.

If the alternatives are much worse, then they may have to consider Liberty out of desperation, just like CUSA did. Also, Jerry Falwell Jr. is gone and Liberty has a new stable President. Liberty's more qualified for the AAC than virtually anyone left if we are looking at winning, facilities, athletic budget....even their market isn't too bad. But I'm fine being in CUSA.

FWIW, I believe you're right. At that point, I doubt you'd have to worry too much about any inflated qualifications. You might as well bring that new CUSA logo with you as well.

Why would a GOR for CUSA prevent anyone from jumping ship? It's still peanuts to get out.

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(08-22-2023 07:36 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  If the MWC gets poached, UTEP and New Mexico State could be in play. If the AAC got poached, Liberty, MTSU, and others could. La. Tech or Sam Houston could be in play for either conference. This move totally prevents MTSU and WKU from even thinking about the MAC.

Are you high?