(07-28-2023 08:17 PM)tigerlands Wrote: "The object was about the size of Fravor's F/A-18F, with no markings, no wings and no exhaust plumes, he said. When Fravor tried to cut off the UAP, it accelerated so quickly that it seemed to disappear. He said it was detected roughly 60 miles away less than a minute later."
So 60 miles in one minute. That's roughly Mach 4 or 5. Nothing un-earthly about that. The U.S. has had aircraft that can do that for decades.
I have to call foul on your assessment. Highly maneuverable aircraft able to operate continuously for hours, after descending rapidly from 80,000 feet, with the ability to instantaneously accelerate to Mach 5 (actually much faster as he testifies it was roughly 60 miles away in less than one minute), is without question "un-earthly." Note that he describes zero visible control surfaces. Don't take my word for it. Watch him say it for yourself:
Are you a pilot? How many hours have you logged and what's your type rating? We're talking about a senior fighter pilot testifying to Congress under oath here, clearly a subject matter expert in regards to the capabilities of advanced aircraft, and someone providing a first-person account.
What about the report from the other pilot who described a dark grey cube encircled by a clear sphere, hovering motionless against the wind? What could that have been?
without bringing too much theology into it...for years..I had not believed in aliens..because I had one mindset.
How many times would Jesus have to die...because someone on another planet out there sinned?
(07-28-2023 11:57 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: without bringing too much theology into it...for years..I had not believed in aliens..because I had one mindset.
How many times would Jesus have to die...because someone on another planet out there sinned?
I've also had similar thoughts in the past, but I'm not sure that the existence of alien civilizations would be incompatible with Christian beliefs.
(07-28-2023 11:57 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: without bringing too much theology into it...for years..I had not believed in aliens..because I had one mindset.
How many times would Jesus have to die...because someone on another planet out there sinned?
This is what bothers me as well and I have thought about it A LOT. I believe in Christ and I believe in the Word of God so he would have to die more than once OR there could be God's only begotten daughter.
I used to study Revelation in the original Greek and we dove into some of the New Testament. There was one specific line that I found that was very interesting in regards to life on other planets but I have long forgotten. I'll try to find that from old notes.
(07-28-2023 04:00 PM)msu35 Wrote: I have no idea what's going on and am uncertain what the explanation is for this phenomena. I do have an open mind, but it could be any number of things. With that said, here's a link for one of the pilots who was the commanding officer of the squadron at the time of the incident:
Ah, yes, I have seen these interviews. And there are many more.
My problem with the guy testifying this past week is that he said "We have many alien space craft and organics". Then asked directly if he saw them, his answer was "No, but I was told we have them".
Honestly until they actually show one sitting there with a crew or our military standing by, it's hard for me to believe. What they see in the air could still be military aircraft. Supposedly the SR-72 is a drone air craft so you don't have to worry about the pilot but could fly that thing crazy fast and in stop on a dime.
(07-26-2023 09:56 AM)Guitarman Wrote: I'm old enough to remember all the reports of UFOs back in the late 70's. They were triangle shaped and captured the nation's attention.
Fast forward to 1990 and behold, the F-117 NightHawk was introduced to the world. It was being talked about in the 60's, designed after the Vietnam War and started test flying in 1975.
I'm not saying there aren't aliens, but am willing to bet money what we see and what is being discussed is all military. After all, the public is always 20 years behind what we are actually capable of.
You’re right. We were using iPhone & tablet technology back in the 90’s while I was serving, to communicate in field ops.
(07-26-2023 09:56 AM)Guitarman Wrote: I'm old enough to remember all the reports of UFOs back in the late 70's. They were triangle shaped and captured the nation's attention.
Fast forward to 1990 and behold, the F-117 NightHawk was introduced to the world. It was being talked about in the 60's, designed after the Vietnam War and started test flying in 1975.
I'm not saying there aren't aliens, but am willing to bet money what we see and what is being discussed is all military. After all, the public is always 20 years behind what we are actually capable of.
You’re right. We were using iPhone & tablet technology back in the 90’s while I was serving, to communicate in field ops.
Those devices were rudimentary and quite basic compared to what we have today, and not as advanced as you think. The first tablets were available to the public in the late 80's so you know, and anyone could buy a Palm pilot handheld in the 90's. Not even comparable.
Furthermore, it certainly isn't analogous to the technology disparity described by the Navy pilots in their testimony to Congress. Could the sightings be attributed to advanced military technology? Perhaps. I'm not against the idea of this being a result of military tests or a psyop, but it's not like the equipment in general use by our troops is light years ahead. That kind of tech is in limited distribution, heavily compartmentalized, and while advanced, history has shown it isn't that far beyond what we have at any given moment. Per the testimony, what was witness is far beyond what we had then, what we have today, and what we could potentially have in the near future.
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The world is full people who want to believe all kinds of crazy things. Like aliens flying in ships that somehow all world governments seem to be able to keep secret. The same governments that can't keep any secrets, ever, about anything. So supposedly we have had possible alien UFO's around the globe for a very long time but nobody on the entire planet has any proof or evidence? I'm a doubting Thomas on this subject.
(08-10-2023 08:18 AM)tigerlands Wrote: The world is full people who want to believe all kinds of crazy things. Like aliens flying in ships that somehow all world governments seem to be able to keep secret. The same governments that can't keep any secrets, ever, about anything. So supposedly we have had possible alien UFO's around the globe for a very long time but nobody on the entire planet has any proof or evidence? I'm a doubting Thomas on this subject.
Show me the proof and let me decide if I believe my own lying eyes or not. While I find it inconceivable that in the vastness of our universe we are the only life forms, until I see at least one I remain doubtful that we have evidence of other life. If we do, show it.
(08-10-2023 08:18 AM)tigerlands Wrote: The world is full people who want to believe all kinds of crazy things. Like aliens flying in ships that somehow all world governments seem to be able to keep secret. The same governments that can't keep any secrets, ever, about anything. So supposedly we have had possible alien UFO's around the globe for a very long time but nobody on the entire planet has any proof or evidence? I'm a doubting Thomas on this subject.
Show me the proof and let me decide if I believe my own lying eyes or not. While I find it inconceivable that in the vastness of our universe we are the only life forms, until I see at least one I remain doubtful that we have evidence of other life. If we do, show it.
That's the crux and I agree with your sentiments. It's highly unlikely that the Earth is unique in so far as hosting life, but we need evidence.
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UFOs are real
