(05-23-2023 05:11 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-23-2023 04:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(05-23-2023 04:54 PM)Huan Wrote:  Would losing CU decreases the pac market value?

People say it wouldn't, but I don't see how it is survivable. There isn't a flagship brand like Colorado that can replace its markets. I think if just Arizona left (not that they would go alone) then you could plug in SDSU and soldier on, but Colorado doesn't really have an inplace replacement. Not even CSU.

Typically, any time a conference *loses* a school it is not good for the value of the league. Whether it is a Colorado, a UConn, a Texas, a Cincinnati, a Marshall, etc., it means that a conference needs to somehow find replacement value to maintain the current evaluation of the league (and if there is even replacement value to be had, it is often in terms of quantity, not necessarily quality).

Would losing Colorado kill the PAC? By itself no, but it would no doubt lead to other defections (which surely would harm the overall health/survivability of the league).

History will be the ultimate narrator, but the PAC's demise won't be because of Colorado leaving (if it does happen) or the defections of UCLA/USC, but rather the financial and business decisions made by PAC Leadership over time. You had a conference centered around one of the largest demographic states in America (California), had really strong brands (USC/UCLA/Washington/Oregon), strong media markets (LA, SF, Phoenix, Seattle, etc.), and should have been free from raiding because of your location (the West Coast was historically off-limits from the Big 12/Big 8/SWC/etc., until it wasn't). If Realignment was a game of Risk, as some have wisely compared, the PAC was the player that refused to collect cards and seek to expand land (while everyone else did). It'll be no surprise if they are the first P5 eliminated.

Ironically, the Big 8 and SWC hybrid lives on, while a potential PAC/B1G phagocytosis mirrors what happened in the early 90s with the SWC, albeit some orders of magnitude in scale (a single state versus the two left time zones).

Just kill this thing cleanly so we can all move on with our lives. I need a break.

(05-23-2023 04:56 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  If this indeed true, Colorado 1st, followed quickly by Arizona, and then the flood gates open with Washington and Oregon go to the B1G. Absolute chaos and in short order

Does the B1G need or want more western schools? We know more schools are hoping for an invite.

(05-23-2023 04:26 PM)cc22 Wrote:  https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/c...247928007/

Quote:Colorado joined the Big Seven Conference in 1948 and stayed through its various itinerations for 62 years. Could the Buffaloes be coming back?

A Big 12 source told me last week that Colorado is ready to commit to joining the Big 12 “soon.”

Thought this was worth a new thread as Tramel has connections, though if people disagree it can be folded into another thread. I'll still believe it when it happens, but who even knows anymore. Hope everyone's enjoying some nice late spring weather!

Trammell didn't report anything new or breaking.

(05-23-2023 04:26 PM)cc22 Wrote:  https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/c...247928007/

Quote:Colorado joined the Big Seven Conference in 1948 and stayed through its various itinerations for 62 years. Could the Buffaloes be coming back?

A Big 12 source told me last week that Colorado is ready to commit to joining the Big 12 “soon.”

Thought this was worth a new thread as Tramel has connections, though if people disagree it can be folded into another thread. I'll still believe it when it happens, but who even knows anymore. Hope everyone's enjoying some nice late spring weather!

Interesting.

I know the urge is to just say "and the other PAC schools will follow".

But let's look at it if that doesn't happen.

The PAC can just backfill with SDSU, who - per other reporting - have been waiting on deck.

So they would lose the state of Colorado, but gain Southern California.

Does the PAC add 2 more now or just stay at 10?

I think they stay at 10 in this situation and just go for a deal that's slightly shorter in length than the Big10's.

And the Big12?

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/15/co...onferences

Well, if the PAC takes SDSU, the next 3 listed are:

UConn, UNLV, amd Memphis.

Those 3 plus Colorado make 16.

Of course, all this presumes that AZ and AZ State, and SDSU aren't the next three that make 16.

Either way, it looks like a Colorado move may push a few more dominoes.

(05-23-2023 05:29 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2023 04:56 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  If this indeed true, Colorado 1st, followed quickly by Arizona, and then the flood gates open with Washington and Oregon go to the B1G. Absolute chaos and in short order

Does the B1G need or want more western schools? We know more schools are hoping for an invite.

Yeah… they do. NWU president said he’s not a fan of this island in Hollywood. We got ESPN throwing grenades at the B1G TV deal “being in shambles”. They want NBC to throw more money at them… or less money, which could allow ESPN to grab a 4th window B1G game (that’s a ways off though).

Once they get the 4C , they are set with a weekly 10:15pm ET game. The thing is, you don’t want NBC/CBS to get these major PNW brands at bargain basement prices, so expect a lot of deliberation.

(05-23-2023 04:39 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  Tramel is obviously part of the 12anon cabal

... 12anon ...

< golf clap >

(05-23-2023 05:34 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Interesting.

I know the urge is to just say "and the other PAC schools will follow".

But let's look at it if that doesn't happen.

The PAC can just backfill with SDSU, who - per other reporting - have been waiting on deck.

So they would lose the state of Colorado, but gain Southern California.

Does the PAC add 2 more now or just stay at 10?

I think they stay at 10 in this situation and just go for a deal that's slightly shorter in length than the Big10's.

And the Big12?

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/15/co...onferences

Well, if the PAC takes SDSU, the next 3 listed are:

UConn, UNLV, amd Memphis.

Those 3 plus Colorado make 16.

Of course, all this presumes that AZ and AZ State, and SDSU aren't the next three that make 16.

Either way, it looks like a Colorado move may push a few more dominoes.

The thing is, Zona is also close to the edge, while ASU remains in love with their PAC friends. They can’t risk moving separately. They need to show some solidarity. While they can still play each other in football and BBall, it’s bad for optics. This isn’t a case of FSU UF or USC Clemson having decades of history being separate and still maintaining a healthy relationship. This is a sibling rivalry that can go completely sour.

If BY really has two feathers in the cap, you call ASU/Utah shortly after and say, “apply now, or you will not come in at full shares if you change your mind later. Or we may expand with others and take our chances.” While that may be an empty threat, you just can’t rebuild with only 8 or more likely six remaining PAC schools.

There is nothing new here. Another “Big 12 source” talking about an imminent move of a Pac 12 school to the Big 12. Rinse and repeat.

Unless the B1G are about to invite some NW Pac 12 schools very soon and Colorado got wind of it, then, maybe then they pack up the power wagon and make a move. That said, the B1G needs to do some major housekeeping before they invite any guests over.

Colorado can go to the Big 12 in two weeks, two months, two years. It’s their decision on their time, if they go at all. No hurry for them.

What would be really interesting is seeing Colorado or the like move while Oregon and Washington are standing at the Big Ten bus stop holding their lunch pails.

(05-23-2023 05:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  What would be really interesting is seeing Colorado or the like move while Oregon and Washington are standing at the Big Ten bus stop holding their lunch pails.

How long do Washington and/or Oregon wait out the Big 10? Are they willing to jump on the Big 12 lifeboat?

(05-23-2023 04:56 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  If this indeed true, Colorado 1st, followed quickly by Arizona, and then the flood gates open with Washington and Oregon go to the B1G. Absolute chaos and in short order

I concur, once one PAC10 school moves the conference is dead.

CU then U of A.

(05-23-2023 04:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If Colorado sparks a train reaction, Utah better make a 180 and warm up to the idea of being conference mates with BYU. honestly, having the AZ schools, Colorado, and BYU as annual opponents and Utah St OOC is a pretty nice set up for the Utes.

UTAH is ____.

Utah presidents and fans have really messed up.

I don't belive anything from any sources from the Big 12 worth a grain of salt.

So if we get Colorado and Utah to the XII and Memphis and UConn, could we do an East/West divide for divisions?

Utah, Colorado, BYU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston

UConn, UCF, West Virginia, Memphis, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

(05-23-2023 06:34 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  So if we get Colorado and Utah to the XII and Memphis and UConn, could we do an East/West divide for divisions?

Utah, Colorado, BYU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston

UConn, UCF, West Virginia, Memphis, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Nah… west is OP in FB, east OP in BBall. Everything imba to use the old gaming vernacular.

(05-23-2023 06:34 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  So if we get Colorado and Utah to the XII and Memphis and UConn, could we do an East/West divide for divisions?

Utah, Colorado, BYU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston

UConn, UCF, West Virginia, Memphis, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

I don't think Connecticut and Memphis are on the table as long as the Pac-12 has more than 2 to 4 teams. I also think the Big 12 is serious about getting in the Pacific Time Zone, which might make San Diego State the only realistic G5 candidate.

I doubt there would be divisions - maybe pods, but more than likely you would see an approach like the ACC where everyone has three designated rivals, and the other six games alternate between the other 12 schools. If the conference goes beyond 18 members then it loses the ability to play everyone home-and-away every four years.

Adding San Diego State and either Memphis or UConn would allow for more realistic pods in football:

West - Utah, Colorado, BYU, San Diego State
South - Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston
North - Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
East - UCF, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis/UConn

(05-23-2023 06:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I don't belive anything from any sources from the Big 12 worth a grain of salt.

Agreed. None of them said Marshall is a better candidate for the Big 12 than Colorado

The Big 12 should go ahead and invite Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona St. Utah can then weigh their options and decide where they want to go. If they Utes want to hang on to the PAC 7, then the Big 12 can add USF. This actually leads to nice scheduling pods:

Colorado, BYU, Arizona, Arizona St
TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston
Okla St, Kansas, K St, Iowa St
Cincy, WVU, USF, UCF

(05-23-2023 05:51 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  Colorado can go to the Big 12 in two weeks, two months, two years. It’s their decision on their time, if they go at all. No hurry for them.

On their time, but also on their bill.

In other words, what deal are they waiting on, and how much does it pay?

They perhaps can wait two years, but it may cost them $15 to $20 million. Waiting to just to wait for an unknown at the cost of $15 to $20 million is not exactly free will

And that’s assuming there is always a Big 12 or Big 12 offer