(02-22-2023 10:57 PM)JWBUC Wrote:  

(02-22-2023 10:32 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  I’m .afraid I don’t see a way that we win on Saturday. Hope I’m wrong.

It is s big task. The we lose, wofford lose combo seems like the more likely path if we get a tie breaker.

Normally home court would be an advantage, but that's not the case this season. If Smith's attitude and performance carries into Saturday, that would be a big plus. Getting Strothers back would help with depth. Taylor coming back is a plus. If Tipler can get back just a little offensive mojo, that's another plus. And I assume the situation with Haynes will not turn into a suspension. Conference games are such a crap shoot; I wouldn't assume a loss, but lots will have to come together for a win.

(02-22-2023 11:19 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  According to the JC Press recap article, it is also a concussion suffered in practice for Jancek.

“ETSU coach Desmond Oliver said Jancek suffered a concussion and Gregory would be “taking some time away from the team.” Amid reports that some kind of fight took place, Oliver said, “No comment on that.””

https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/sports/...382da.html

Ugh. This teams practices are its worst enemy

So this looks to me Gregory gave Jancek a concussion? We have more players hurt or step away from the team than anyone I know. Oliver needs to go.

(02-23-2023 06:06 AM)DaBuc Brass Wrote:  

(02-22-2023 11:19 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  According to the JC Press recap article, it is also a concussion suffered in practice for Jancek.

“ETSU coach Desmond Oliver said Jancek suffered a concussion and Gregory would be “taking some time away from the team.” Amid reports that some kind of fight took place, Oliver said, “No comment on that.””

https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/sports/...382da.html

Ugh. This teams practices are its worst enemy

So this looks to me Gregory gave Jancek a concussion? We have more players hurt or step away from the team than anyone I know. Oliver needs to go.

I read this as two distinct events. That would be bonkers if it happened though

(02-23-2023 08:22 AM)ThreedomHall Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 06:06 AM)DaBuc Brass Wrote:  

(02-22-2023 11:19 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  According to the JC Press recap article, it is also a concussion suffered in practice for Jancek.

“ETSU coach Desmond Oliver said Jancek suffered a concussion and Gregory would be “taking some time away from the team.” Amid reports that some kind of fight took place, Oliver said, “No comment on that.””

https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/sports/...382da.html

Ugh. This teams practices are its worst enemy

So this looks to me Gregory gave Jancek a concussion? We have more players hurt or step away from the team than anyone I know. Oliver needs to go.

I read this as two distinct events. That would be bonkers if it happened though

Hope you're right!

(02-23-2023 08:22 AM)DaBuc Brass Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 08:22 AM)ThreedomHall Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 06:06 AM)DaBuc Brass Wrote:  

(02-22-2023 11:19 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  According to the JC Press recap article, it is also a concussion suffered in practice for Jancek.

“ETSU coach Desmond Oliver said Jancek suffered a concussion and Gregory would be “taking some time away from the team.” Amid reports that some kind of fight took place, Oliver said, “No comment on that.””

https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/sports/...382da.html

Ugh. This teams practices are its worst enemy

So this looks to me Gregory gave Jancek a concussion? We have more players hurt or step away from the team than anyone I know. Oliver needs to go.

I read this as two distinct events. That would be bonkers if it happened though

Hope you're right!

Well, the more I read it, the more it seems like that’s exactly what the author is hinting. We have full beat down locker room fights in this team in February? Oliver what is u doing bb

Jay and Keith will be doing a podcast today to bring everything up to date on the seeding as it stands today. No way to know if they will touch on these other things but the podcasts are very good to listen to.

(02-23-2023 08:44 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Jay and Keith will be doing a podcast today to bring everything up to date on the seeding as it stands today. No way to know if they will touch on these other things but the podcasts are very good to listen to.

agreed on the podcasts!

(02-23-2023 05:38 AM)frankenheimer Wrote:  I saw a difference in offensive ball movement when King was out there and when he wasn't; it moved much better with King. The ball tended to stick in Smith and Tipler's hands when they were out there. It's too late for Tipler to change, but I hope Smith can get that out of his system next year. In spite of my criticism of Smith, I thought he had a super game; he really seemed to be engaged on both ends of the floor and not as "mopey" as earlier in the conference season. Tipler was just OK; didn't really hurt the team. Nothing he did was bad, but nothing he did last night really stands out in my mind.

Tipler more or less was a PG that last game when he did so well. King filled that role last night. Tipler only played 14 minutes. Don't know whether that was to make room for Taylor, or what. May have been mostly to keep Smith in the game because he was doing so well. Tipler only took (and missed) 1 shot, but got 2 assists. You're right, frankenheimer, that Smith dribbles too much. When he's got space, that's fine; but he continues to do that when he has no room.

Curious (shocking?) stat: despite all the fouls Haynes commits, and the foul trouble he's often in, last night was only the second time all season he's fouled out.

I thought I heard them say after the game that Tipler's knee was bothering him. They were also questioning whether Hayne's ejection will prohibit him from playing in the UNC-G game. I didn't hear an answer to that query.

Jordan King is playing like a warrior. Tremendous effort night in, and night out.

UNCG without Jancek is tough. Some may argue the same for Strothers, but I don’t see why Tipler can’t do a better job if he focuses on true PG play. Oliver may save his job (for now) if he pulls out a win and secures 5th place as the press describes. On senior day, to boot.

As nice as it is to see Taylor out, he really is playing 1-handed. Going very hard, nonetheless, and at risk of taking a hard fall on that wrist. Yikes.

No way Haynes is benched by staff. Without him, no chance against UNCG. Are there league rules in play?

(02-23-2023 11:00 AM)shampoo Wrote:  No way Haynes is benched by staff . . . Are there league rules in play?

That was the question the radio commentators were asking. I gather that some ejections (like for fighting) include an automatic suspension for the next game. They said something along the lines of "it will depend on how the officials write it up."

(02-23-2023 01:34 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 11:00 AM)shampoo Wrote:  No way Haynes is benched by staff . . . Are there league rules in play?

That was the question the radio commentators were asking. I gather that some ejections (like for fighting) include an automatic suspension for the next game. They said something along the lines of "it will depend on how the officials write it up."

NCAA standards require an automatic one game suspension for a Flagrant 2 foul only. The manual that I could find for the Southern Conference (2013-2014) offers only a number of high minded suggestions for proper conduct.
It seems unlikely that a coaching staff that would allow a player with a cast on his wrist to play in a live game with no practice during the preceding week would quibble about a simple ejection.

(02-23-2023 11:00 AM)shampoo Wrote:  UNCG without Jancek is tough. Some may argue the same for Strothers, but I don’t see why Tipler can’t do a better job if he focuses on true PG play. Oliver may save his job (for now) if he pulls out a win and secures 5th place as the press describes. On senior day, to boot.

As nice as it is to see Taylor out, he really is playing 1-handed. Going very hard, nonetheless, and at risk of taking a hard fall on that wrist. Yikes.

No way Haynes is benched by staff. Without him, no chance against UNCG. Are there league rules in play?

Strothers helps run the offense a little better and I believe him to be a better defender, but other teams have to take Tipler much more seriously as an offensive threat. No clear preferred option in my mind.

Taylor can contribute on defense. I wonder how much he can adapt with the cast in order to contribute a little on offense and secure rebounds. I really hope that him playing doesn't risk permanent damage to the wrist.

Although I don't really know to what degree Oliver's job is at risk, he may be pulling out whatever he can to finish strong.

(02-23-2023 04:13 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 01:34 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 11:00 AM)shampoo Wrote:  No way Haynes is benched by staff . . . Are there league rules in play?

That was the question the radio commentators were asking. I gather that some ejections (like for fighting) include an automatic suspension for the next game. They said something along the lines of "it will depend on how the officials write it up."

NCAA standards require an automatic one game suspension for a Flagrant 2 foul only. The manual that I could find for the Southern Conference (2013-2014) offers only a number of high minded suggestions for proper conduct.
It seems unlikely that a coaching staff that would allow a player with a cast on his wrist to play in a live game with no practice during the preceding week would quibble about a simple ejection.

Haynes was way out of line with his yelling at the refs, but as best I could tell he didn't call the refs' mother a name or the ref a name or get physical with a ref or the opposing players. An ejection was the appropriate discipline with perhaps a warning from the conference that a game suspension will result if he does it again.

I don't think that Oliver should hold him out of Saturday's game, but I believe he should keep him out of the starting lineup. For him personally and for the team, Haynes really needs to get his temper in control. His action legitimately put the game in jeopardy. I believe Oliver needs to make it explicitly clear that Oliver's job is to jump the refs and Haynes' job is to let the coaches complain to the refs (or the conference). Haynes is a heck of a player and I want him on the floor in the future.

(02-23-2023 06:22 PM)frankenheimer Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 04:13 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 01:34 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 11:00 AM)shampoo Wrote:  No way Haynes is benched by staff . . . Are there league rules in play?

That was the question the radio commentators were asking. I gather that some ejections (like for fighting) include an automatic suspension for the next game. They said something along the lines of "it will depend on how the officials write it up."

NCAA standards require an automatic one game suspension for a Flagrant 2 foul only. The manual that I could find for the Southern Conference (2013-2014) offers only a number of high minded suggestions for proper conduct.
It seems unlikely that a coaching staff that would allow a player with a cast on his wrist to play in a live game with no practice during the preceding week would quibble about a simple ejection.

Haynes was way out of line with his yelling at the refs, but as best I could tell he didn't call the refs' mother a name or the ref a name or get physical with a ref or the opposing players. An ejection was the appropriate discipline with perhaps a warning from the conference that a game suspension will result if he does it again.

I don't think that Oliver should hold him out of Saturday's game, but I believe he should keep him out of the starting lineup. For him personally and for the team, Haynes really needs to get his temper in control. His action legitimately put the game in jeopardy. I believe Oliver needs to make it explicitly clear that Oliver's job is to jump the refs and Haynes' job is to let the coaches complain to the refs (or the conference). Haynes is a heck of a player and I want him on the floor in the future.

Totally agree. Jalen is just too good and too important to the team to let his emotions go like that. He got a very bad, bum call but it was Oliver that should have done the complaining. Coaches are in a position to state their case more than the players. I do not know the rules but could Oliver have asked for a video review of the play?

(02-23-2023 07:07 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 06:22 PM)frankenheimer Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 04:13 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 01:34 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 11:00 AM)shampoo Wrote:  No way Haynes is benched by staff . . . Are there league rules in play?

That was the question the radio commentators were asking. I gather that some ejections (like for fighting) include an automatic suspension for the next game. They said something along the lines of "it will depend on how the officials write it up."

NCAA standards require an automatic one game suspension for a Flagrant 2 foul only. The manual that I could find for the Southern Conference (2013-2014) offers only a number of high minded suggestions for proper conduct.
It seems unlikely that a coaching staff that would allow a player with a cast on his wrist to play in a live game with no practice during the preceding week would quibble about a simple ejection.

Haynes was way out of line with his yelling at the refs, but as best I could tell he didn't call the refs' mother a name or the ref a name or get physical with a ref or the opposing players. An ejection was the appropriate discipline with perhaps a warning from the conference that a game suspension will result if he does it again.

I don't think that Oliver should hold him out of Saturday's game, but I believe he should keep him out of the starting lineup. For him personally and for the team, Haynes really needs to get his temper in control. His action legitimately put the game in jeopardy. I believe Oliver needs to make it explicitly clear that Oliver's job is to jump the refs and Haynes' job is to let the coaches complain to the refs (or the conference). Haynes is a heck of a player and I want him on the floor in the future.

Totally agree. Jalen is just too good and too important to the team to let his emotions go like that. He got a very bad, bum call but it was Oliver that should have done the complaining. Coaches are in a position to state their case more than the players. I do not know the rules but could Oliver have asked for a video review of the play?

From the NCAA Rule Book "Rule 11; Section 1: Art. 4. The officials shall not use such available equipment for judgment calls such as:
a. Determine whether a foul occurred. (Exception: A flagrant foul.)"

(02-24-2023 03:31 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 07:07 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 06:22 PM)frankenheimer Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 04:13 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  

(02-23-2023 01:34 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  That was the question the radio commentators were asking. I gather that some ejections (like for fighting) include an automatic suspension for the next game. They said something along the lines of "it will depend on how the officials write it up."

NCAA standards require an automatic one game suspension for a Flagrant 2 foul only. The manual that I could find for the Southern Conference (2013-2014) offers only a number of high minded suggestions for proper conduct.
It seems unlikely that a coaching staff that would allow a player with a cast on his wrist to play in a live game with no practice during the preceding week would quibble about a simple ejection.

Haynes was way out of line with his yelling at the refs, but as best I could tell he didn't call the refs' mother a name or the ref a name or get physical with a ref or the opposing players. An ejection was the appropriate discipline with perhaps a warning from the conference that a game suspension will result if he does it again.

I don't think that Oliver should hold him out of Saturday's game, but I believe he should keep him out of the starting lineup. For him personally and for the team, Haynes really needs to get his temper in control. His action legitimately put the game in jeopardy. I believe Oliver needs to make it explicitly clear that Oliver's job is to jump the refs and Haynes' job is to let the coaches complain to the refs (or the conference). Haynes is a heck of a player and I want him on the floor in the future.

Totally agree. Jalen is just too good and too important to the team to let his emotions go like that. He got a very bad, bum call but it was Oliver that should have done the complaining. Coaches are in a position to state their case more than the players. I do not know the rules but could Oliver have asked for a video review of the play?

From the NCAA Rule Book "Rule 11; Section 1: Art. 4. The officials shall not use such available equipment for judgment calls such as:
a. Determine whether a foul occurred. (Exception: A flagrant foul.)"

Thanks.

I think Don Helman is going to have both men's and women's coaches on his show this morning on 640 AM starting at 10:00.