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RE: G5 Conference Power Ratings Post Realignment
(01-29-2023 07:23 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(01-29-2023 06:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  It’s a new day, in essentially a new conference, made stronger and more dynamic under the reorganization that jettisoned non-FB schools and the addition of the 4 new institutions.

This is what probably runs some of the other SBC schools wrong. I see it as the additions strengthen what was already working in the SBC, not recreating the conference. The four new schools are great adds but don’t substantially alter what the SBC was. It is a stronger conference, not a new conference.

Fair enough.

Still, the people objecting (being “rubbed the wrong way” perhaps?) by my advancing the idea that the current 14 member SBC is now a “new” and more mature conference are free to grumble all they want.

The reality is the pre-2022 SBC was not functioning in a way that optimized its strengths. The “old” SBC was flawed in ways many other G5 conferences are flawed. Flaws like membership that was too geographically dispersed, or athletic missions that were too broad, institutional educational missions and student enrollments that was too disparate, or institutional financial support for athletics too weak, etc. Thankfully the correct decisions were made in focusing the mission of the “new” SBC.

Note here, I’m not saying the pre-2022 SBC members were flawed, or that the pre-2022 membership hadn’t been working hard to improve their athletic programs and promote the “old” SBC. The problem was with the conference structure, not its football members.

Indeed, the “new” 2022 SBC had to be ready for the changes to come, just as the 4 new members had to be ready. This is such an obvious point I shouldn’t have to be hammering it home.

The creation of the pre-2022 SBC was the result hard work, principally undertaken by the football schools. Let’s all honor that effort, but let’s not forget that while the “old” SBC was undergoing changes, the hard work of improving varsity athletics and clarifying priorities at the 4 new members was also ongoing. In essence, the “old” SBC and the 4 new members were growing closer, towards each other and the day they would merge.

When the Texas/OU move to the SEC was announced, the SBC and the 4 new schools were able to come together in an act of enlightened self-interest. The timing was right. All parties were ready for change.

SoMiss wanted out of CUSA, and was ready to move to the SBC on its own, Marshall, ODU and JMU, however, wanted to stick together. The SBC presidents, ADs, Commissioner Gill, and their counterparts at the 4 new schools all worked together to explore the possibilities. From that collaboration was born a new SBC and two regional divisions.

Today’s “new and improved” SBC, as envisioned and made possible through the addition of the 4 new schools, was not possible before last year. That reality doesn’t make JMU more important to the expanded SBC than any other member, but JMU was an integral part of the equation that helped shape the two regional divisions that included new members Marshall and ODU.

As I wrote in an earlier post people who argue that JMU, or any of the other new members, should have joined the SBC earlier could just as well argue penicillin should have been discovered or created earlier. That might have been nice, if doable, but it didn’t happen earlier because the circumstances or timing wasn’t right. The timing for JMU to join the SBC when App St. did wasn’t right for JMU, Marshall, ODU or SoMiss. In 2022 it was the right time, and now we can all be thankful that a new and stronger SBC has emerged.
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Reading these posts are exhausting.
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Longhorn commenting on others egos is peak Longhorn. Go find a mirror and argue with someone as ignorant.
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(01-30-2023 11:11 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Longhorn commenting on others egos is peak Longhorn. Go find a mirror and argue with someone as ignorant.

A long-ass comment that says nothing at 3AM? Yeah, that's LH.
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(01-29-2023 09:21 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
(01-29-2023 08:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Good post Rok. It comes down to Longhorn wanting more credit than his team deserves and refuses to give credit for the foundation built by those that came before them. The ones that didn’t wait for the perfect setup for them. Those programs were willing to put in the time and move the last placed FBS conference up the ladder.

We pushed for all four new members to join and were instrumental in bringing in JMU. Welcome to the conference, we look forward to getting even better together.

Yep. To follow his logic, the SBC was a nothing conference that the coosa3 just couldn’t wait to jump into. If they were so great, why didn’t they stay in C-ICU and just add teams there?

Louisiana Tech mainly. We did think about it.
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(01-30-2023 11:29 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-30-2023 11:11 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Longhorn commenting on others egos is peak Longhorn. Go find a mirror and argue with someone as ignorant.

A long-ass comment that says nothing at 3AM? Yeah, that's LH.

there's no question his Yankee wannabe arse loves himself....
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Longhorn - making stinkfist, 017, FrankyP, and myself look rational and sane since 2022. Keep up the good work!
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JMU fans on here ....... smh
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(01-30-2023 11:41 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Longhorn - making stinkfist, 017, FrankyP, and myself look rational and sane since 2022. Keep up the good work!

It’s going to take a lot more than my common sense posts to make your contributions look rational and sane. 07-coffee3
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(01-30-2023 11:41 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Longhorn - making stinkfist, 017, FrankyP, and myself look rational and sane since 2022. Keep up the good work!

Hey…I resemble that remark!
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(01-30-2023 03:07 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-30-2023 11:41 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Longhorn - making stinkfist, 017, FrankyP, and myself look rational and sane since 2022. Keep up the good work!

It’s going to take a lot more than my common sense posts to make your contributions look rational and sane. 07-coffee3

Nah buddy you’re setting the bar so low, appreciate it!
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(01-30-2023 12:53 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-29-2023 08:37 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(01-29-2023 06:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-27-2023 07:04 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(01-26-2023 02:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Paraphrase away. SBC FB didn’t really make a splash as the top G5 until the 4 new members joined this season.

Your hurt feelings aside, you know it’s true.

GS enters the Sun Belt with an FCS roster and goes undefeated. Two win season since that time. 2022 GS goes 2 and 1 with the additions. WTF are you talking about?

I’m talking about the entire SBC accomplishments in FB in its first season, as reconfigured with the 4 new schools. No one is talking about or concerned with GS history. Tuck your insecurities away.

It’s a new day, in essentially a new conference, made stronger and more dynamic under the reorganization that jettisoned non-FB schools and the addition of the 4 new institutions.

Yea it appears you’ve stumbled on the answer. Need to package that projection a little better but your on the right track.

I haven’t “stumbled” upon anything. I’ve been consistently saying the same thing since the beginning. Apparently some egos (cough cough Saint) are so dainty they can’t accept the fact that all parties had to grow before the new SBC 2022-23 configuration with the 4 newcomers could become a reality. The operative concept is synergy….the sum of the new 14 member SBC is greater than the individual pieces.

We're thankful that the Sun Belt grew so that JMU would accept an invitation to move up. It is admirable to wait and there is no shame in waiting for others to make your way. If JMU had jumped when App jumped we would be in no better place at this time. You better?
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(01-30-2023 04:02 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(01-30-2023 03:07 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-30-2023 11:41 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Longhorn - making stinkfist, 017, FrankyP, and myself look rational and sane since 2022. Keep up the good work!

It’s going to take a lot more than my common sense posts to make your contributions look rational and sane. 07-coffee3

Nah buddy you’re setting the bar so low, appreciate it!

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(01-30-2023 02:51 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  The reality is the pre-2022 SBC was not functioning in a way that optimized its strengths. The “old” SBC was flawed in ways many other G5 conferences are flawed. Flaws like membership that was too geographically dispersed, or athletic missions that were too broad, institutional educational missions and student enrollments that was too disparate, or institutional financial support for athletics too weak, etc. Thankfully the correct decisions were made in focusing the mission of the “new” SBC.

This is where you understandably lose everyone and where I've really gotta disagree. The SBC mission was the same as it is now and it was functioning very well, that's why when all hell broke loose the SBC was one of a handful of conferences that didn't need to do anything. Also why it was one of the few conferences positioned to make moves on its own terms and in ways that were universally praised by everyone besides some very delusional fans of non-SBC teams.

(01-30-2023 02:51 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  In essence, the “old” SBC and the 4 new members were growing closer, towards each other and the day they would merge.

Now this part is very true and ties right in to everything I said above. The reason this was the case was because before we arrived the SBC had made so much improvement and had become such a strong and stable G5 conference. They didn't need to do anything. We could still be playing in the CAA while Marshall/ODU/Southern Miss get ready to welcome teams like Soft Houston State and the Fightin Falwells, and the SBC would still be just fine right now. But we were the right four to give a good conference the opportunity to become even better.

It wasn't some situation where we all saved each other, some weak conference became respectable and things worked out that they were just the best option available to some strong programs looking for a new home. A strong conference became stronger and they had options for how they wanted to do so. WKU, Liberty, Missouri State, and probably others wanted in just as badly as we did.
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