UTA is one of those programs that look like they would be fun scheduling rather often across all sports.

(01-20-2023 04:13 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UTA is one of those programs that look like they would be fun scheduling rather often across all sports.

I believe this should happen. Gaucho sports all seem to be very solid

(01-20-2023 01:34 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 12:20 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Not remove the football schools, dingleberry. Tarleton spends more than $500,000 on football. UTA’s expenditures (or budget) was already higher that the Texans. So sport for sport, UTA spends more sport for comparable sport.

UTA is on par with SFA, Sam and ACU for non-football budget.

If you can’t see that football eats the biggest pie and that outside of football, UTA’s budget is middle of the pack, I don’t know what to tell you.

Are you 12? I think name calling is childish and I’m not 12 so I shall refrain.

If I understand where your numbers came from, as they have been used before, they consist of a running five year average. So the vast majority if not all of the Tarleton data you posted is when we were D2. I have been told by Tarleton folks our budget is somewhere around $20 million. Dr. Hurley said on a podcast I posted fairly recently from a radio station in St. George, Utah, we are one of the better funded universities in the WAC.

1) I don't view dingleberry as derogatory. Wrestlers use it in their over-the-top skits. Like silly goose or chowder head. No harm meant.

2) You brought up Scott Cross. That was 2006. Probably a little less accurate than a five-year average.

3) Of that $20 mil, how much goes to football? Also, if Tarleton is spending that much, the ROI is a little low. Beating only Utah Tech and Chicago State in the all-sports standings doesn't seem like fourth-place budget.

(01-21-2023 12:15 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 01:34 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 12:20 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Not remove the football schools, dingleberry. Tarleton spends more than $500,000 on football. UTA’s expenditures (or budget) was already higher that the Texans. So sport for sport, UTA spends more sport for comparable sport.

UTA is on par with SFA, Sam and ACU for non-football budget.

If you can’t see that football eats the biggest pie and that outside of football, UTA’s budget is middle of the pack, I don’t know what to tell you.

Are you 12? I think name calling is childish and I’m not 12 so I shall refrain.

If I understand where your numbers came from, as they have been used before, they consist of a running five year average. So the vast majority if not all of the Tarleton data you posted is when we were D2. I have been told by Tarleton folks our budget is somewhere around $20 million. Dr. Hurley said on a podcast I posted fairly recently from a radio station in St. George, Utah, we are one of the better funded universities in the WAC.

1) I don't view dingleberry as derogatory. Wrestlers use it in their over-the-top skits. Like silly goose or chowder head. No harm meant.

2) You brought up Scott Cross. That was 2006. Probably a little less accurate than a five-year average.

3) Of that $20 mil, how much goes to football? Also, if Tarleton is spending that much, the ROI is a little low. Beating only Utah Tech and Chicago State in the all-sports standings doesn't seem like fourth-place budget.

the UTA budget has not tripled since cross left..that was after 2018 season..I dont know what the athletic budget was then. I'm guessing not much less than it is now.

(01-21-2023 12:15 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 01:34 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 12:20 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Not remove the football schools, dingleberry. Tarleton spends more than $500,000 on football. UTA’s expenditures (or budget) was already higher that the Texans. So sport for sport, UTA spends more sport for comparable sport.

UTA is on par with SFA, Sam and ACU for non-football budget.

If you can’t see that football eats the biggest pie and that outside of football, UTA’s budget is middle of the pack, I don’t know what to tell you.

Are you 12? I think name calling is childish and I’m not 12 so I shall refrain.

If I understand where your numbers came from, as they have been used before, they consist of a running five year average. So the vast majority if not all of the Tarleton data you posted is when we were D2. I have been told by Tarleton folks our budget is somewhere around $20 million. Dr. Hurley said on a podcast I posted fairly recently from a radio station in St. George, Utah, we are one of the better funded universities in the WAC.

1) I don't view dingleberry as derogatory. Wrestlers use it in their over-the-top skits. Like silly goose or chowder head. No harm meant.

2) You brought up Scott Cross. That was 2006. Probably a little less accurate than a five-year average.

3) Of that $20 mil, how much goes to football? Also, if Tarleton is spending that much, the ROI is a little low. Beating only Utah Tech and Chicago State in the all-sports standings doesn't seem like fourth-place budget.

If our budget is where I think it is, we need to have better results in the very near future. It is so hard to recruit quality athletes during the stupid four year probation, especially the first two years. Our overall recruiting is getting better as football has the 8th ranked FCS class.

I can’t find any evidence of a 20 million dollar budget. 13 million is the highest I can see anywhere since 2021. And that’s not “averaging out” the D2 years. If we are even close to 20 million, we are way way underpeforming as an Athletic department, and some major changes need to happen yesterday!! Transition or no.
And please provide current football recruiting rankings. #8 was thrown out there by Bluebloods in December based on 1 three star recruit. We have no idea where we are now as Tarleton doesn’t report signings. At least where anyone can see them until Feb.
If we are 20 mil, there’s some D2 coaches we brought along that need to be updating their Résumé’s, along with some higher ups.

(01-20-2023 04:13 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UTA is one of those programs that look like they would be fun scheduling rather often across all sports.

Thank you.

We seem to schedule UC schools in men's basketball with some degree of regularity. For instance, I remember watching Irvine and Davis at College Park Center not too long ago. Pretty sure we played at Santa Barbara recently, and, of course, we were able to help Berkeley out this year by offering ourselves as their first win of the season.

(01-21-2023 02:03 PM)Oscar P Wrote:  I can’t find any evidence of a 20 million dollar budget. 13 million is the highest I can see anywhere since 2021. And that’s not “averaging out” the D2 years. If we are even close to 20 million, we are way way underpeforming as an Athletic department, and some major changes need to happen yesterday!! Transition or no.
And please provide current football recruiting rankings. #8 was thrown out there by Bluebloods in December based on 1 three star recruit. We have no idea where we are now as Tarleton doesn’t report signings. At least where anyone can see them until Feb.
If we are 20 mil, there’s some D2 coaches we brought along that need to be updating their Résumé’s, along with some higher ups.

The only ranking so far is the one you and I referenced. It came out at the early signing period. February 1 is the next signing day so the rankings could change. My point with the ranking is showing recruiting is getting better the farther along we are are proceeding thru the four year probation period.

Again, I’m stating the budget number is from some folks at Tarleton and I’m assuming it’s accurate. Maybe it’s not. Recruiting during the move-up probation period is extremely difficult. I don’t think we should hold our coaches accountable for wins during this time. However, with only one year remaining on probation, it is time for all teams to step up recruiting and increase wins. One of the athletic goals in the master plan is to be continually ranked in the top five of the Western Athletic Conference’s Commissioner’s Cup by 2025.

And I have hijacked this thread and I am sorry. No more Tarleton on the UTA thread.

(01-21-2023 09:38 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 12:15 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 01:34 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 12:20 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Not remove the football schools, dingleberry. Tarleton spends more than $500,000 on football. UTA’s expenditures (or budget) was already higher that the Texans. So sport for sport, UTA spends more sport for comparable sport.

UTA is on par with SFA, Sam and ACU for non-football budget.

If you can’t see that football eats the biggest pie and that outside of football, UTA’s budget is middle of the pack, I don’t know what to tell you.

Are you 12? I think name calling is childish and I’m not 12 so I shall refrain.

If I understand where your numbers came from, as they have been used before, they consist of a running five year average. So the vast majority if not all of the Tarleton data you posted is when we were D2. I have been told by Tarleton folks our budget is somewhere around $20 million. Dr. Hurley said on a podcast I posted fairly recently from a radio station in St. George, Utah, we are one of the better funded universities in the WAC.

1) I don't view dingleberry as derogatory. Wrestlers use it in their over-the-top skits. Like silly goose or chowder head. No harm meant.

2) You brought up Scott Cross. That was 2006. Probably a little less accurate than a five-year average.

3) Of that $20 mil, how much goes to football? Also, if Tarleton is spending that much, the ROI is a little low. Beating only Utah Tech and Chicago State in the all-sports standings doesn't seem like fourth-place budget.

the UTA budget has not tripled since cross left..that was after 2018 season..I dont know what the athletic budget was then. I'm guessing not much less than it is now.

The original post said when Scott Cross was hired. That was 2006. Our budget was approximately $4.5 million. Now it’s approximately $13.5 million. That near a triple. Overall, the budget has increased about $2 million since Cross left. Now that’s spread out over all sports, but we (usually) do more with less.

Here’s the original post I referenced:

(01-17-2023 10:46 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  Also, I think UTA needs to fund what they have. When UTA was hiring several years ago, Tarleton’s Lonn Reisman was one of the three finalists. He was HC mens basketball and AD at a D2 school, but he would have to take a pay cut for the UTA job. He withdrew and Scott Cross was hired.

My point with the story is, if UTA isn’t going to fund football, then don’t start football. IMO, Athletic funding needs to be their number one priority then worry about adding programs.

(01-22-2023 11:44 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 09:38 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 12:15 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 01:34 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 12:20 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Not remove the football schools, dingleberry. Tarleton spends more than $500,000 on football. UTA’s expenditures (or budget) was already higher that the Texans. So sport for sport, UTA spends more sport for comparable sport.

UTA is on par with SFA, Sam and ACU for non-football budget.

If you can’t see that football eats the biggest pie and that outside of football, UTA’s budget is middle of the pack, I don’t know what to tell you.

Are you 12? I think name calling is childish and I’m not 12 so I shall refrain.

If I understand where your numbers came from, as they have been used before, they consist of a running five year average. So the vast majority if not all of the Tarleton data you posted is when we were D2. I have been told by Tarleton folks our budget is somewhere around $20 million. Dr. Hurley said on a podcast I posted fairly recently from a radio station in St. George, Utah, we are one of the better funded universities in the WAC.

1) I don't view dingleberry as derogatory. Wrestlers use it in their over-the-top skits. Like silly goose or chowder head. No harm meant.

2) You brought up Scott Cross. That was 2006. Probably a little less accurate than a five-year average.

3) Of that $20 mil, how much goes to football? Also, if Tarleton is spending that much, the ROI is a little low. Beating only Utah Tech and Chicago State in the all-sports standings doesn't seem like fourth-place budget.

the UTA budget has not tripled since cross left..that was after 2018 season..I dont know what the athletic budget was then. I'm guessing not much less than it is now.

The original post said when Scott Cross was hired. That was 2006. Our budget was approximately $4.5 million. Now it’s approximately $13.5 million. That near a triple. Overall, the budget has increased about $2 million since Cross left. Now that’s spread out over all sports, but we (usually) do more with less.

Here’s the original post I referenced:

(01-17-2023 10:46 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  Also, I think UTA needs to fund what they have. When UTA was hiring several years ago, Tarleton’s Lonn Reisman was one of the three finalists. He was HC mens basketball and AD at a D2 school, but he would have to take a pay cut for the UTA job. He withdrew and Scott Cross was hired.

My point with the story is, if UTA isn’t going to fund football, then don’t start football. IMO, Athletic funding needs to be their number one priority then worry about adding programs.

UTA would have add one or two women's sports before football in order to comply with ncaa rules so not just as simple as hire a football coach and buy some gear.

Right…

If student congress’ plan comes to fruition, that’s all included….

(01-22-2023 01:27 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Right…

If student congress’ plan comes to fruition, that’s all included….

We've sure had plenty of time to consider all those factors, like which women's sports to add, where to play, who to play during transitional years, what facilities need to be upgraded or replaced, whether or not to include wheelchair sports in the athletics department, etc, etc, etc.

I remember having discussions 15-20 years ago about perhaps including some transitional games against Lone Star Conference D-II foes, some of which are now FBS members.

Again, it all comes down to student sentiment and administration leadership - or lack of same. The last time the student movement was nearing critical mass, the Spaniolo administration cleverly diverted that energy into the basketball arena project. This time, it may be more likekly that football and w soccer will happen.

Once the money starts pouring in, I hope we'll get swimming and women's gymnastics. But for now I'll be happy to see football come back, before all of us former season ticket holders die of old age.

Has the new UTA President given some sort of state of the university address? Has she mentioned anything about what her goals are?

Short answer is no. She's tapped danced around the topic when brought up.

we had swimming years ago. we had olympic swimmers and a very good team.
the elimination of that sport seemed to have come soon after we beat ut-austin in a packed natatorium of raucus fans. I remember sitting there next to mayor Vandergriff who was an avid promoter of all stuff uta and he remarked that this was fantastic. Doug Russel won several olympic gold medals in his time at uta. I believe the facilities still exist.

You were very strong indeed. I remember. I think it is great, and a part of your legacy, when a particular sport helps a school become better known and you guys were well known for the medals. Seemed like you had a dozen or more Olympians. Like you we had a history of Olympians but in Track and Field. You miss those glory days but they are an important part of your identity. There was another Texas team very well known for a sport. Remember the glory days of tennis at Trinity?

(01-23-2023 10:37 AM)RCI Wrote:  You were very strong indeed. I remember. I think it is great, and a part of your legacy, when a particular sport helps a school become better known and you guys were well known for the medals. Seemed like you had a dozen or more Olympians. Like you we had a history of Olympians but in Track and Field. You miss those glory days but they are an important part of your identity. There was another Texas team very well known for a sport. Remember the glory days of tennis at Trinity?

I had almost forgot..you guys always had a great track program. as for Trinity...a pricey school like smu, my sister went there a cpl. years on some kind of scholarship from usaa which is headquartered down there. they did have a "giant killer" tennis program. as good as our swimming program was back then..we could beat the name schools except for smu which was always ranked in those days.

I think we got at least 4 gold medals at the Olympics, maybe more. I just remember going to meets where ACU beat all the big boys.

I remember the tennis, having played at UTA. My soph year, we finished third in the Southland behind Lamar and Trinity. Oddly, Lamar won the conference tournament because some of Trinity's nationally ranked players were out of the country, playing at Wimbledon or maybe it was Davis Cup. We were proud to have finished third behind two such great powerhouse teams. In that era, a school didn't have to be Division One in all other sports in order to play D-1 tennis. I don't know why DBU isn't under a similar rule today regarding their baseball program. Does anybody know?

(01-25-2023 06:42 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  I remember the tennis, having played at UTA. My soph year, we finished third in the Southland behind Lamar and Trinity. Oddly, Lamar won the conference tournament because some of Trinity's nationally ranked players were out of the country, playing at Wimbledon or maybe it was Davis Cup. We were proud to have finished third behind two such great powerhouse teams. In that era, a school didn't have to be Division One in all other sports in order to play D-1 tennis. I don't know why DBU isn't under a similar rule today regarding their baseball program. Does anybody know?

DBU is a member of the Lone Star Conference in D2 for all sports other than baseball. I believe they are in CUSA for baseball.