(01-16-2023 06:57 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Nice to wait to insert your walkons with 2 minutes left and still not take the air out of the ball. Karma is a b**** and will come back to haunt Kelsey.

Hate to think what the score may have been, if Anders had not done an admirable defensive job on Larson.

Chuck Williams deserves more time. Period. Ben is just not strong enough and quick enough offensively around the basket which is a little surprising at this stage of his career. Williams ability to hit mid-range shots is of great value to this offense, even if he gives ground compared to Ben on the defensive end.

Funny that you mention Karma as it pertains to this particular college. I know that you cannot take one season’s results and extrapolate results for this season, but in February 2014, what would wind up being a very good Tribe team got wiped out in Charleston 87-54 in a game that probably was not any closer than the final score. Charleston was not nearly as deep that year as this year’s team is but their coach played his regulars almost the entire game. I remember fuming and talking about Karma. 2 1/2 weeks later, we played those guys again in the quarterfinals in Baltimore and walked off the floor with a 70-59 victory.

Charleston is an extremely well coached bunch of tough minded kids who play incredibly hard for 40 minutes. I would certainly love to pull for a team like that if they were my team. But not so much if they are not your team and happen to be beating the crap out of your team . There were some displays of showmanship that I hope that our players remember if we happen to catch these guys in DC on a neutral court. Karma is indeed a @#@#$, and some team just might get it against them in DC.

(01-16-2023 06:53 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  We were 0-12 from 3. They were 16-45. Not sure I’ve ever seen that kind of disparity before.

45 3-point shots??!!


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The record disparity is 24-1: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/box...itute.html

The record in a D-1 regulation game is 58 3PA. Although D-3 Grinnell made some history earlier this year with all 111 FGAs being from deep.

Thank goodness we don’t play them in Williamsburg. Charleston is BY FAR the best team this conference has seen in years. Barring a string of injuries, they are probably going to end the regular season with only one loss and a record of 30-1. Pretty sure that gets you an at large bid…even with a CAA tourney loss. Time to take one for the team A10 style. Have the refs rig it if you have to. CAA could use the two teams in the Dance money.

(01-16-2023 10:05 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Thank goodness we don’t play them in Williamsburg. Charleston is BY FAR the best team this conference has seen in years. Barring a string of injuries, they are probably going to end the regular season with only one loss and a record of 30-1. Pretty sure that gets you an at large bid…even with a CAA tourney loss. Time to take one for the team A10 style. Have the refs rig it if you have to. CAA could use the two teams in the Dance money.

UNCW already played them close, so it's not even that big a stretch.

Although I'd like to see them in Williamsburg. It's a really good team and I like watching really good teams.

(01-16-2023 04:48 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:33 PM)billymac Wrote:  With Wednesday's victory, Charleston is off to the best 18-game start in men's CAA Hoops history. Now ranked #18 nationally.

Does CoC have bigger dreams, like maybe a slot in the A10? Currently, they're at 15 teams.

Pat Kelsey probably ends up in the A10, or ACC for that matter, before CoC does. The hire was brilliant. If CoC is able to keep him, that will be amazing.

(01-17-2023 07:36 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:48 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:33 PM)billymac Wrote:  With Wednesday's victory, Charleston is off to the best 18-game start in men's CAA Hoops history. Now ranked #18 nationally.

Does CoC have bigger dreams, like maybe a slot in the A10? Currently, they're at 15 teams.

Pat Kelsey probably ends up in the A10, or ACC for that matter, before CoC does. The hire was brilliant. If CoC is able to keep him, that will be amazing.

An excellent point, which is also obvious to the potential higher leagues. So why should they absorb CofC after a few good seasons (under Kelsey) when the Cougars might slip back into mid-major slightly-better-than-mediocrity as soon as he leaves?

(01-17-2023 08:01 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 07:36 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:48 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:33 PM)billymac Wrote:  With Wednesday's victory, Charleston is off to the best 18-game start in men's CAA Hoops history. Now ranked #18 nationally.

Does CoC have bigger dreams, like maybe a slot in the A10? Currently, they're at 15 teams.

Pat Kelsey probably ends up in the A10, or ACC for that matter, before CoC does. The hire was brilliant. If CoC is able to keep him, that will be amazing.

An excellent point, which is also obvious to the potential higher leagues. So why should they absorb CofC after a few good seasons (under Kelsey) when the Cougars might slip back into mid-major slightly-better-than-mediocrity as soon as he leaves?

For the A10, CoC brings them to Charleston, an awesome city, with a half-decent media market (89th in USA) and a rabid fan base. As for slipping back to mediocrity, you could have said the same thing about Richmond when they moved up.

(01-17-2023 08:26 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 08:01 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 07:36 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:48 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:33 PM)billymac Wrote:  With Wednesday's victory, Charleston is off to the best 18-game start in men's CAA Hoops history. Now ranked #18 nationally.

Does CoC have bigger dreams, like maybe a slot in the A10? Currently, they're at 15 teams.

Pat Kelsey probably ends up in the A10, or ACC for that matter, before CoC does. The hire was brilliant. If CoC is able to keep him, that will be amazing.

An excellent point, which is also obvious to the potential higher leagues. So why should they absorb CofC after a few good seasons (under Kelsey) when the Cougars might slip back into mid-major slightly-better-than-mediocrity as soon as he leaves?

For the A10, CoC brings them to Charleston, an awesome city, with a half-decent media market (89th in USA) and a rabid fan base. As for slipping back to mediocrity, you could have said the same thing about Richmond when they moved up.

Richmond has been mediocre since they moved up. Only 2-3 NCAA bids since they moved up…which I submit is about as many as they would have had if they had stayed in the CAA (a few years winning the CAAT vs a couple of at-larges in the A10).

(01-17-2023 09:27 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 08:26 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 08:01 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 07:36 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:48 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  Does CoC have bigger dreams, like maybe a slot in the A10? Currently, they're at 15 teams.

Pat Kelsey probably ends up in the A10, or ACC for that matter, before CoC does. The hire was brilliant. If CoC is able to keep him, that will be amazing.

An excellent point, which is also obvious to the potential higher leagues. So why should they absorb CofC after a few good seasons (under Kelsey) when the Cougars might slip back into mid-major slightly-better-than-mediocrity as soon as he leaves?

For the A10, CoC brings them to Charleston, an awesome city, with a half-decent media market (89th in USA) and a rabid fan base. As for slipping back to mediocrity, you could have said the same thing about Richmond when they moved up.

Richmond has been mediocre since they moved up. Only 2-3 NCAA bids since they moved up…which I submit is about as many as they would have had if they had stayed in the CAA (a few years winning the CAAT vs a couple of at-larges in the A10).

I agree, but if CoC makes a decent run in March Madness, the A10 will offer them, just like they did with Loy Chi. CoC would be foolish not to accept.

(01-17-2023 09:40 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 09:27 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 08:26 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 08:01 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 07:36 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  Pat Kelsey probably ends up in the A10, or ACC for that matter, before CoC does. The hire was brilliant. If CoC is able to keep him, that will be amazing.

An excellent point, which is also obvious to the potential higher leagues. So why should they absorb CofC after a few good seasons (under Kelsey) when the Cougars might slip back into mid-major slightly-better-than-mediocrity as soon as he leaves?

For the A10, CoC brings them to Charleston, an awesome city, with a half-decent media market (89th in USA) and a rabid fan base. As for slipping back to mediocrity, you could have said the same thing about Richmond when they moved up.

Richmond has been mediocre since they moved up. Only 2-3 NCAA bids since they moved up…which I submit is about as many as they would have had if they had stayed in the CAA (a few years winning the CAAT vs a couple of at-larges in the A10).

I agree, but if CoC makes a decent run in March Madness, the A10 will offer them, just like they did with Loy Chi. CoC would be foolish not to accept.

Agreed about CofC accepting...but the question, to me, is why would the A-10 offer them (if they are destined to regress to mediocrity as soon as Kelsey leaves)? The only apparent reasons are that they want to move to 16 teams and that Charleston isn't the worst place to visit (better than going to St. Bonaventure).

There's a much bigger picture to Charleston you can't ignore. Look at the state of South Carolina and tell me who the top four universities are? Charleston has a legitimate chance to become the basketball school in the entire state of South Carolina. UNCW has no chance in a state loaded with a
bunch of universities and top level basketball. Virginia has the same scenario to a certain extent, but the A10 took a pretty good size school like VCU that was basketball only. I think Charleston is a no-brainer for the A10 Dr

I thought CofC would be the obvious choice if they had a good year, however I am beginning to think the target is Delaware. Delaware has an established fan base, a lacrosse program, and is a more natural geographic fit.

The question for UD is what about football? Well, they can leave their team in the CAA like Richmond did, which seems like a good option. Or they could try to be a part of the WAC/ASUN, knowing that if their petition fails they can still play in the CAA (probably?). I imagine Delaware considers itself worthy of major conference consideration if future realignment happens, and A10 success will help make that leap more attainable. They are less of a wildcard then CofC too with a more established winning program.

(01-17-2023 11:36 AM)W+M4TW Wrote:  I thought CofC would be the obvious choice if they had a good year, however I am beginning to think the target is Delaware. Delaware has an established fan base, a lacrosse program, and is a more natural geographic fit.

The question for UD is what about football? Well, they can leave their team in the CAA like Richmond did, which seems like a good option. Or they could try to be a part of the WAC/ASUN, knowing that if their petition fails they can still play in the CAA (probably?). I imagine Delaware considers itself worthy of major conference consideration if future realignment happens, and A10 success will help make that leap more attainable. They are less of a wildcard then CofC too with a more established winning program.

Delaware would be below W&M as an A10 target in my opinion. We have a larger following, higher basketball attendance, established rivalries and we also sit in a metro area, Hampton Roads, that has no A10 visibility.

And I don’t see that happening anyway. W&M and UD are the pillars of the conference that has been largely shaped for their shared priorities. I believe both are looking to possibly have CAA football elevated into the new G5 format (basically the best FCS conferences with the MAC, Sun Belt and WAC/CUSA) once the P5 breakaway inevitably happens.

Charleston would appear a good target though you (they) have to consider the costs and benefits. Their costs would go up substantially as all sports, not just basketball, would have to pickup extensive new travel. If they are a consistent winner in the CAA and a probable mid tier team in the A10, not sure it would be worth it. Plus the CAA just expanded dramatically in the Carolinas to help Charleston and UNCW with travel. Neither are floating in excess money.

The CAA should tie a tighter knot and send the men’s tourney back to Charleston after this final (I think) year in DC.

(01-17-2023 10:46 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 09:40 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 09:27 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 08:26 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 08:01 AM)Zorch Wrote:  An excellent point, which is also obvious to the potential higher leagues. So why should they absorb CofC after a few good seasons (under Kelsey) when the Cougars might slip back into mid-major slightly-better-than-mediocrity as soon as he leaves?

For the A10, CoC brings them to Charleston, an awesome city, with a half-decent media market (89th in USA) and a rabid fan base. As for slipping back to mediocrity, you could have said the same thing about Richmond when they moved up.

Richmond has been mediocre since they moved up. Only 2-3 NCAA bids since they moved up…which I submit is about as many as they would have had if they had stayed in the CAA (a few years winning the CAAT vs a couple of at-larges in the A10).

I agree, but if CoC makes a decent run in March Madness, the A10 will offer them, just like they did with Loy Chi. CoC would be foolish not to accept.

Agreed about CofC accepting...but the question, to me, is why would the A-10 offer them (if they are destined to regress to mediocrity as soon as Kelsey leaves)? The only apparent reasons are that they want to move to 16 teams and that Charleston isn't the worst place to visit (better than going to St. Bonaventure).

Good point about St. Bonaventure. I'm not sure why they're still in the A10. With only 1,800 students and a campus in the middle of nowhere, it seems they'd be a better fit in America East.

Money.

(01-17-2023 03:58 PM)billymac Wrote:  Money.

Maybe, but it's gotta be expensive for the Bonnies to trudge all their teams to Chicago, St. Louis, Charlotte, etc.

(01-17-2023 04:57 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 03:58 PM)billymac Wrote:  Money.

Maybe, but it's gotta be expensive for the Bonnies to trudge all their teams to Chicago, St. Louis, Charlotte, etc.

Probably so, but there is a whole lot of NCAA Tournament shares and decent TV money passing through the A-10. The America East will never be able to match that.

(01-17-2023 04:57 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 03:58 PM)billymac Wrote:  Money.

Maybe, but it's gotta be expensive for the Bonnies to trudge all their teams to Chicago, St. Louis, Charlotte, etc.

The only other conference which might make sense would be the MAAC which includes nearby Niagara and Canisius. I think the slightly higher expenses in the A10 are worth it for them, much more profile. Plus, the Bonnies have a stronger historical basketball profile going back to the 60s when they were in the Final 4.

(01-17-2023 05:10 PM)billymac Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 04:57 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 03:58 PM)billymac Wrote:  Money.

Maybe, but it's gotta be expensive for the Bonnies to trudge all their teams to Chicago, St. Louis, Charlotte, etc.

Probably so, but there is a whole lot of NCAA Tournament shares and decent TV money passing through the A-10. The America East will never be able to match that.

A10 distributes tourney unit money unevenly. The team that earns the unit keeps 75%. Rest 25% is divided among the other conference members.

I think the motivation for the Bonnies to stick with A10 is that who they get to call their peers. And the exposure.