Bad defense seems to follow my teams this year. Wizards gave up 98, Ninety Eight!! points in the paint last night. Oh, my.

https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/stat...VHCdAA14ZA

Emoni needs to improve his decision-making, play with intensity throughout a game, get stronger, defend, rebound, make steals, and not turn the ball over nor foul excessively.Until he improves in those areas he'd be smart to stay at EMU. He needs to do all those things to get drafted. NBA scouts know he can shoot.

At the risk of being a broken record, for EMU to be a good defensive team-EMU has to defend the rim. play a pressure defense on the perimeter, and commit few fouls. While a big center will help, EMU has to improve it's defensive schemes.

EMU has some quick players, just need to employ it on defense to make far more steals.

I believe Stan needs to call the FBI to help his team learn the fundamentals:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DevInTheLab/s...evInTheLab

(12-10-2022 05:19 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I don’t know how you all can muster up so much energy to talk about this team. They’re dreadful. And selfish.

The end.

Dreadful, I agree. I think only one player is selfish and he has been so since he entered High School as VERY tall young man with incredible skills for his age. He knows nothing else but being the center of attention for his past six years of life. That is now on the coach to address and change, after all we all saluted him when he got Emoni to sign with EMU.

I'm just stunned with this team's lack of effort and general hustle:

This team commits a bunch of fouls, but few are aggressive in nature. They are "reach in and holds" when beaten off the dribble. I would love to see those fouls committed when contesting rebounds or attempting steals instead, but those would indeed require effort that only Lovejoy expends.

50/50 balls have become 90/10 in favor of the opposition because of our passivity.

We are not a tall team, one might suspect that an occasional full-court pressure with more agile defenders might yield results, but not us. I also might surmise that small EMU would be a fast-break team looking for quick buckets. I would be wrong.

We have no pattern on offense either. Acuff is a good shooter but clearly not a point guard with passing skills, yet that is what he has been charged to do. One good thing; we don't get offensive screen fouls like our competitors, but that is likely due to the fact that we DON'T set screens very much. We just stand around.

I simply refuse to believe that Stan Heath as a coach that would intentionally put such a product on the floor as his historical accomplishments would refute such. That stated, I AM TOTALLY BAFFLED AS TO HOW THIS TEAM IS PLAYING.

When an opponent drives it's difficult for defender to stay with opponent. It's why I prefer for one big to guard the rim, the other big the first line of defense in stopping all penetration from anywhere on the court. Such provides two lines of defense to stop lay-ups.

EMU would be wise to employ such defense with the three perimeter defenders forcing opponent three-point shooters to shoot or drive from further out.

If defense guards the rim and stops three-point jump shots, two-point jump shots are not likely to win games.

D

(12-17-2022 07:13 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 05:19 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I don’t know how you all can muster up so much energy to talk about this team. They’re dreadful. And selfish.

The end.

Dreadful, I agree. I think only one player is selfish and he has been so since he entered High School as VERY tall young man with incredible skills for his age. He knows nothing else but being the center of attention for his past six years of life. That is now on the coach to address and change, after all we all saluted him when he got Emoni to sign with EMU.

I'm just stunned with this team's lack of effort and general hustle:

This team commits a bunch of fouls, but few are aggressive in nature. They are "reach in and holds" when beaten off the dribble. I would love to see those fouls committed when contesting rebounds or attempting steals instead, but those would indeed require effort that only Lovejoy expends.

50/50 balls have become 90/10 in favor of the opposition because of our passivity.

We are not a tall team, one might suspect that an occasional full-court pressure with more agile defenders might yield results, but not us. I also might surmise that small EMU would be a fast-break team looking for quick buckets. I would be wrong.

We have no pattern on offense either. Acuff is a good shooter but clearly not a point guard with passing skills, yet that is what he has been charged to do. One good thing; we don't get offensive screen fouls like our competitors, but that is likely due to the fact that we DON'T set screens very much. We just stand around.

I simply refuse to believe that Stan Heath as a coach that would intentionally put such a product on the floor as his historical accomplishments would refute such. That stated, I AM TOTALLY BAFFLED AS TO HOW THIS TEAM IS PLAYING.

Historical accomplishments? He has a career losing record! 5 winning seasons and 10 losing seasons! And the one at Kent St he did absolutely nothing to deserve that record! He inherited the team! Take away the Kent St season, and he's almost 50 games under .500! This team has underperformed immensely! Rob Murphy his first two seasons was 30-36, and won A MAC West title! He had nowhere near the talent this team has! Not even close!

(12-17-2022 09:19 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  D

(12-17-2022 07:13 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 05:19 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I don’t know how you all can muster up so much energy to talk about this team. They’re dreadful. And selfish.

The end.

Dreadful, I agree. I think only one player is selfish and he has been so since he entered High School as VERY tall young man with incredible skills for his age. He knows nothing else but being the center of attention for his past six years of life. That is now on the coach to address and change, after all we all saluted him when he got Emoni to sign with EMU.

I'm just stunned with this team's lack of effort and general hustle:

This team commits a bunch of fouls, but few are aggressive in nature. They are "reach in and holds" when beaten off the dribble. I would love to see those fouls committed when contesting rebounds or attempting steals instead, but those would indeed require effort that only Lovejoy expends.

50/50 balls have become 90/10 in favor of the opposition because of our passivity.

We are not a tall team, one might suspect that an occasional full-court pressure with more agile defenders might yield results, but not us. I also might surmise that small EMU would be a fast-break team looking for quick buckets. I would be wrong.

We have no pattern on offense either. Acuff is a good shooter but clearly not a point guard with passing skills, yet that is what he has been charged to do. One good thing; we don't get offensive screen fouls like our competitors, but that is likely due to the fact that we DON'T set screens very much. We just stand around.

I simply refuse to believe that Stan Heath as a coach that would intentionally put such a product on the floor as his historical accomplishments would refute such. That stated, I AM TOTALLY BAFFLED AS TO HOW THIS TEAM IS PLAYING.

Historical accomplishments? He has a career losing record! 5 winning seasons and 10 losing seasons! And the one at Kent St he did absolutely nothing to deserve that record! He inherited the team! Take away the Kent St season, and he's almost 50 games under .500! This team has underperformed immensely! Rob Murphy his first two seasons was 30-36, and won A MAC West title! He had nowhere near the talent this team has! Not even close!

You are just flat wrong about Stan Heath. You cannot simply "inherit" a team into a dominating MAC season and to an Elite 8. The notion that a coach could luck into sustained GREATNESS for an ENTIRE season at a MAC school, culminating into almost making a Final 4 is patently idiotic. At the very least, give the man some credit for that, jeezus!

(12-18-2022 07:45 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2022 09:19 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  D

(12-17-2022 07:13 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 05:19 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I don’t know how you all can muster up so much energy to talk about this team. They’re dreadful. And selfish.

The end.

Dreadful, I agree. I think only one player is selfish and he has been so since he entered High School as VERY tall young man with incredible skills for his age. He knows nothing else but being the center of attention for his past six years of life. That is now on the coach to address and change, after all we all saluted him when he got Emoni to sign with EMU.

I'm just stunned with this team's lack of effort and general hustle:

This team commits a bunch of fouls, but few are aggressive in nature. They are "reach in and holds" when beaten off the dribble. I would love to see those fouls committed when contesting rebounds or attempting steals instead, but those would indeed require effort that only Lovejoy expends.

50/50 balls have become 90/10 in favor of the opposition because of our passivity.

We are not a tall team, one might suspect that an occasional full-court pressure with more agile defenders might yield results, but not us. I also might surmise that small EMU would be a fast-break team looking for quick buckets. I would be wrong.

We have no pattern on offense either. Acuff is a good shooter but clearly not a point guard with passing skills, yet that is what he has been charged to do. One good thing; we don't get offensive screen fouls like our competitors, but that is likely due to the fact that we DON'T set screens very much. We just stand around.

I simply refuse to believe that Stan Heath as a coach that would intentionally put such a product on the floor as his historical accomplishments would refute such. That stated, I AM TOTALLY BAFFLED AS TO HOW THIS TEAM IS PLAYING.

Historical accomplishments? He has a career losing record! 5 winning seasons and 10 losing seasons! And the one at Kent St he did absolutely nothing to deserve that record! He inherited the team! Take away the Kent St season, and he's almost 50 games under .500! This team has underperformed immensely! Rob Murphy his first two seasons was 30-36, and won A MAC West title! He had nowhere near the talent this team has! Not even close!

You are just flat wrong about Stan Heath. You cannot simply "inherit" a team into a dominating MAC season and to an Elite 8. The notion that a coach could luck into sustained GREATNESS for an ENTIRE season at a MAC school, culminating into almost making a Final 4 is patently idiotic. At the very least, give the man some credit for that, jeezus!

Stan Heath's best season ever besides the inherited Kent St team was 22-10! Bob, Kent St won the MAC the year before going 13-5, the entire team returned in 2001-2002! Gary Waters left Stan Heath A MAC championship team! We can simply disagree about this! The problem is EVERYONE expected EMU basketball to be good this season with the team we saw coming in..........He's failing miserable! Bob, did you expect this team to be 2-9? 1-9 versus D1 competition? Bates is averaging 19 and 6 every night! We need to BEAT Detroit today! They're another mid major team! I want to see Heath be successful, but so far this hire has been abysmal........He's 12-30, and 9-30 versus D1 competition!

(12-18-2022 09:06 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 07:45 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2022 09:19 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  D

(12-17-2022 07:13 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 05:19 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I don’t know how you all can muster up so much energy to talk about this team. They’re dreadful. And selfish.

The end.

Dreadful, I agree. I think only one player is selfish and he has been so since he entered High School as VERY tall young man with incredible skills for his age. He knows nothing else but being the center of attention for his past six years of life. That is now on the coach to address and change, after all we all saluted him when he got Emoni to sign with EMU.

I'm just stunned with this team's lack of effort and general hustle:

This team commits a bunch of fouls, but few are aggressive in nature. They are "reach in and holds" when beaten off the dribble. I would love to see those fouls committed when contesting rebounds or attempting steals instead, but those would indeed require effort that only Lovejoy expends.

50/50 balls have become 90/10 in favor of the opposition because of our passivity.

We are not a tall team, one might suspect that an occasional full-court pressure with more agile defenders might yield results, but not us. I also might surmise that small EMU would be a fast-break team looking for quick buckets. I would be wrong.

We have no pattern on offense either. Acuff is a good shooter but clearly not a point guard with passing skills, yet that is what he has been charged to do. One good thing; we don't get offensive screen fouls like our competitors, but that is likely due to the fact that we DON'T set screens very much. We just stand around.

I simply refuse to believe that Stan Heath as a coach that would intentionally put such a product on the floor as his historical accomplishments would refute such. That stated, I AM TOTALLY BAFFLED AS TO HOW THIS TEAM IS PLAYING.

Historical accomplishments? He has a career losing record! 5 winning seasons and 10 losing seasons! And the one at Kent St he did absolutely nothing to deserve that record! He inherited the team! Take away the Kent St season, and he's almost 50 games under .500! This team has underperformed immensely! Rob Murphy his first two seasons was 30-36, and won A MAC West title! He had nowhere near the talent this team has! Not even close!

You are just flat wrong about Stan Heath. You cannot simply "inherit" a team into a dominating MAC season and to an Elite 8. The notion that a coach could luck into sustained GREATNESS for an ENTIRE season at a MAC school, culminating into almost making a Final 4 is patently idiotic. At the very least, give the man some credit for that, jeezus!

Stan Heath's best season ever besides the inherited Kent St team was 22-10! Bob, Kent St won the MAC the year before going 13-5, the entire team returned in 2001-2002! Gary Waters left Stan Heath A MAC championship team! We can simply disagree about this! The problem is EVERYONE expected EMU basketball to be good this season with the team we saw coming in..........He's failing miserable! Bob, did you expect this team to be 2-9? 1-9 versus D1 competition? Bates is averaging 19 and 6 every night! We need to BEAT Detroit today! They're another mid major team! I want to see Heath be successful, but so far this hire has been abysmal........He's 12-30, and 9-30 versus D1 competition!

As far as his record here, he isn't even 1/2 through his 2nd season. HCs are usually given 3 or 4 seasons.

Patience is a virtue...

(12-18-2022 09:06 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 07:45 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-17-2022 09:19 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  D

(12-17-2022 07:13 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 05:19 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I don’t know how you all can muster up so much energy to talk about this team. They’re dreadful. And selfish.

The end.

Dreadful, I agree. I think only one player is selfish and he has been so since he entered High School as VERY tall young man with incredible skills for his age. He knows nothing else but being the center of attention for his past six years of life. That is now on the coach to address and change, after all we all saluted him when he got Emoni to sign with EMU.

I'm just stunned with this team's lack of effort and general hustle:

This team commits a bunch of fouls, but few are aggressive in nature. They are "reach in and holds" when beaten off the dribble. I would love to see those fouls committed when contesting rebounds or attempting steals instead, but those would indeed require effort that only Lovejoy expends.

50/50 balls have become 90/10 in favor of the opposition because of our passivity.

We are not a tall team, one might suspect that an occasional full-court pressure with more agile defenders might yield results, but not us. I also might surmise that small EMU would be a fast-break team looking for quick buckets. I would be wrong.

We have no pattern on offense either. Acuff is a good shooter but clearly not a point guard with passing skills, yet that is what he has been charged to do. One good thing; we don't get offensive screen fouls like our competitors, but that is likely due to the fact that we DON'T set screens very much. We just stand around.

I simply refuse to believe that Stan Heath as a coach that would intentionally put such a product on the floor as his historical accomplishments would refute such. That stated, I AM TOTALLY BAFFLED AS TO HOW THIS TEAM IS PLAYING.

Historical accomplishments? He has a career losing record! 5 winning seasons and 10 losing seasons! And the one at Kent St he did absolutely nothing to deserve that record! He inherited the team! Take away the Kent St season, and he's almost 50 games under .500! This team has underperformed immensely! Rob Murphy his first two seasons was 30-36, and won A MAC West title! He had nowhere near the talent this team has! Not even close!

You are just flat wrong about Stan Heath. You cannot simply "inherit" a team into a dominating MAC season and to an Elite 8. The notion that a coach could luck into sustained GREATNESS for an ENTIRE season at a MAC school, culminating into almost making a Final 4 is patently idiotic. At the very least, give the man some credit for that, jeezus!

Stan Heath's best season ever besides the inherited Kent St team was 22-10! Bob, Kent St won the MAC the year before going 13-5, the entire team returned in 2001-2002! Gary Waters left Stan Heath A MAC championship team! We can simply disagree about this! The problem is EVERYONE expected EMU basketball to be good this season with the team we saw coming in..........He's failing miserable! Bob, did you expect this team to be 2-9? 1-9 versus D1 competition? Bates is averaging 19 and 6 every night! We need to BEAT Detroit today! They're another mid major team! I want to see Heath be successful, but so far this hire has been abysmal........He's 12-30, and 9-30 versus D1 competition!

I am at the very least going to see how the MAC plays out. The team is in flux and after the Michigan game, like everyone else, I thought we were going to hit the ground running. Heath has a track record--he was also a top assistant under Izzo for years and has enough talent to win more than he has so far but as far as I'm concerned, we are still 0-0 in MAC play. If we still suck in March, I will be surprised and extremely disappointed in him.

(12-18-2022 10:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 09:06 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Stan Heath's best season ever besides the inherited Kent St team was 22-10! Bob, Kent St won the MAC the year before going 13-5, the entire team returned in 2001-2002! Gary Waters left Stan Heath A MAC championship team! We can simply disagree about this! The problem is EVERYONE expected EMU basketball to be good this season with the team we saw coming in..........He's failing miserable! Bob, did you expect this team to be 2-9? 1-9 versus D1 competition? Bates is averaging 19 and 6 every night! We need to BEAT Detroit today! They're another mid major team! I want to see Heath be successful, but so far this hire has been abysmal........He's 12-30, and 9-30 versus D1 competition!

I am at the very least going to see how the MAC plays out. The team is in flux and after the Michigan game, like everyone else, I thought we were going to hit the ground running. Heath has a track record--he was also a top assistant under Izzo for years and has enough talent to win more than he has so far but as far as I'm concerned, we are still 0-0 in MAC play. If we still suck in March, I will be surprised and extremely disappointed in him.

I think you guys are both raising some valid points here. Ultimately, I am BobW’s camp. I am going to wait until March to start developing a verdict on this. But I think Coach Heath has a good track record- nice run with Kent St, had Arkansas in the tourney by year 4 and 5, and even won the Big East coach of the year with USF which is no power. There are some down years or inconsistencies in his record that is hard to ignore as well. But I still have faith he can turn this year’s team around, and if not this year then I still think he has a chance to turn the program around in the subsequent years… we’ll see

I’m sure Stan is trying his best to win “Worst D1 Defense “

Giving up 91 points to BG at home keeps Stan on track.

(12-18-2022 02:58 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 10:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 09:06 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Stan Heath's best season ever besides the inherited Kent St team was 22-10! Bob, Kent St won the MAC the year before going 13-5, the entire team returned in 2001-2002! Gary Waters left Stan Heath A MAC championship team! We can simply disagree about this! The problem is EVERYONE expected EMU basketball to be good this season with the team we saw coming in..........He's failing miserable! Bob, did you expect this team to be 2-9? 1-9 versus D1 competition? Bates is averaging 19 and 6 every night! We need to BEAT Detroit today! They're another mid major team! I want to see Heath be successful, but so far this hire has been abysmal........He's 12-30, and 9-30 versus D1 competition!

I am at the very least going to see how the MAC plays out. The team is in flux and after the Michigan game, like everyone else, I thought we were going to hit the ground running. Heath has a track record--he was also a top assistant under Izzo for years and has enough talent to win more than he has so far but as far as I'm concerned, we are still 0-0 in MAC play. If we still suck in March, I will be surprised and extremely disappointed in him.

I think you guys are both raising some valid points here. Ultimately, I am BobW’s camp. I am going to wait until March to start developing a verdict on this. But I think Coach Heath has a good track record- nice run with Kent St, had Arkansas in the tourney by year 4 and 5, and even won the Big East coach of the year with USF which is no power. There are some down years or inconsistencies in his record that is hard to ignore as well. But I still have faith he can turn this year’s team around, and if not this year then I still think he has a chance to turn the program around in the subsequent years… we’ll see

Stan has three more years, I'm with Ramy, what other choice do we have unless someone on this board can buy him out?