(12-15-2022 03:49 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 10:55 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 09:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 08:52 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  The division of "traditional top nine" and the rest in Division I basketball is, at best, arbitrary.

I picked the “P5”, AAC, BE, MWC, and A10 for “traditional top nine”. It seems reasonable, but I am open to suggestions. What are your picks?

But why 9? Why not 10? or 8?

One has to draw the line somewhere. Where do you draw it?

I do not separate conferences at all. And what does this division mean, anyways? Is American, for example, even in the top 10 right now? Where does it leave Gonzaga? Why do you insist on measuring wins over Louisville above wins over Gonzaga? I prefer to look at individual wins. You beat an 8-3 America East team, it should matter more than beating a 1-9 Louisville from ACC, should it not?

I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

(12-15-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 03:49 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 10:55 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 09:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I picked the “P5”, AAC, BE, MWC, and A10 for “traditional top nine”. It seems reasonable, but I am open to suggestions. What are your picks?

But why 9? Why not 10? or 8?

One has to draw the line somewhere. Where do you draw it?

I do not separate conferences at all. And what does this division mean, anyways? Is American, for example, even in the top 10 right now? Where does it leave Gonzaga? Why do you insist on measuring wins over Louisville above wins over Gonzaga? I prefer to look at individual wins. You beat an 8-3 America East team, it should matter more than beating a 1-9 Louisville from ACC, should it not?

I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 03:49 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 10:55 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  But why 9? Why not 10? or 8?

One has to draw the line somewhere. Where do you draw it?

I do not separate conferences at all. And what does this division mean, anyways? Is American, for example, even in the top 10 right now? Where does it leave Gonzaga? Why do you insist on measuring wins over Louisville above wins over Gonzaga? I prefer to look at individual wins. You beat an 8-3 America East team, it should matter more than beating a 1-9 Louisville from ACC, should it not?

I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 03:49 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 10:55 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  But why 9? Why not 10? or 8?

One has to draw the line somewhere. Where do you draw it?

I do not separate conferences at all. And what does this division mean, anyways? Is American, for example, even in the top 10 right now? Where does it leave Gonzaga? Why do you insist on measuring wins over Louisville above wins over Gonzaga? I prefer to look at individual wins. You beat an 8-3 America East team, it should matter more than beating a 1-9 Louisville from ACC, should it not?

I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

clt says good luck with this. Toby is everything that is wrong with aac chat pages

I know somebody that is getting coal in their stocking this year

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 03:49 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  One has to draw the line somewhere. Where do you draw it?

I do not separate conferences at all. And what does this division mean, anyways? Is American, for example, even in the top 10 right now? Where does it leave Gonzaga? Why do you insist on measuring wins over Louisville above wins over Gonzaga? I prefer to look at individual wins. You beat an 8-3 America East team, it should matter more than beating a 1-9 Louisville from ACC, should it not?

I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 03:49 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  I do not separate conferences at all. And what does this division mean, anyways? Is American, for example, even in the top 10 right now? Where does it leave Gonzaga? Why do you insist on measuring wins over Louisville above wins over Gonzaga? I prefer to look at individual wins. You beat an 8-3 America East team, it should matter more than beating a 1-9 Louisville from ACC, should it not?

I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

Seems to me the NCAA has already established the NET as the arbiter, since it is the primary tool used to evaluate a team's resume.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men...-explained

(12-16-2022 09:55 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

Seems to me the NCAA has already established the NET as the arbiter, since it is the primary tool used to evaluate a team's resume.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men...-explained

It is too early to rely upon metrics like NET and KP for good or ill. Additional data is required.

At this point per NET, only FAU is an NCAA Tournament entry contender of all the CUSA6 - a less than stellar testimony to the CUSA6’s value. Again, however, more time is needed for valid NET figures.

(12-16-2022 12:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 09:55 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

Seems to me the NCAA has already established the NET as the arbiter, since it is the primary tool used to evaluate a team's resume.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men...-explained

It is too early to rely upon metrics like NET and KP for good or ill. Additional data is required.

At this point per NET, only FAU is an NCAA Tournament entry contender of all the CUSA6 - a less than stellar testimony to the CUSA6’s value. Again, however, more time is needed for valid NET figures.

Well, OOC play is almost over, so the NET rankings are about as accurate as they are going to get. Once conference play kicks off, we won't have many more opportunities to evaluate the gap between programs in different conferences.

(12-16-2022 04:46 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 12:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 09:55 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

Seems to me the NCAA has already established the NET as the arbiter, since it is the primary tool used to evaluate a team's resume.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men...-explained

It is too early to rely upon metrics like NET and KP for good or ill. Additional data is required.

At this point per NET, only FAU is an NCAA Tournament entry contender of all the CUSA6 - a less than stellar testimony to the CUSA6’s value. Again, however, more time is needed for valid NET figures.

Well, OOC play is almost over, so the NET rankings are about as accurate as they are going to get. Once conference play kicks off, we won't have many more opportunities to evaluate the gap between programs in different conferences.

clt says don’t mention facts to toby

(12-16-2022 04:46 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 12:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 09:55 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

Seems to me the NCAA has already established the NET as the arbiter, since it is the primary tool used to evaluate a team's resume.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men...-explained

It is too early to rely upon metrics like NET and KP for good or ill. Additional data is required.

At this point per NET, only FAU is an NCAA Tournament entry contender of all the CUSA6 - a less than stellar testimony to the CUSA6’s value. Again, however, more time is needed for valid NET figures.

Well, OOC play is almost over, so the NET rankings are about as accurate as they are going to get. Once conference play kicks off, we won't have many more opportunities to evaluate the gap between programs in different conferences.

Wide variations are possible at this point based on even a few games. For example, a blowout home loss to TX AM will certainly harm the Tigers' and the AAC's NET.

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I wrote:
"Percent of total wins from traditional top nine conferences: 13.3". The intent is to demonstrate "good wins" earned by the CUSA.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?

Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

And, again, I did not suggest any concepts or methodologies. I just pointed out that all you're doing is attacking the new 6 members of AAC coming from C-USA. You are literally offering nothing else.

And, ultimately, I did suggest that you use some sort of a ranking that marries both conference strengths and wins into the consideration. Not just one OR the other, which is what you had suggested.

And if you do use the automated rankings, such as NET, for example, the AAC teams that are staying in the conference come next season are underwhelming at having only 1 conference team (today), well, the C-USA6 bring just as many.

(12-17-2022 03:18 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

And, again, I did not suggest any concepts or methodologies. I just pointed out that all you're doing is attacking the new 6 members of AAC coming from C-USA. You are literally offering nothing else.

And, ultimately, I did suggest that you use some sort of a ranking that marries both conference strengths and wins into the consideration. Not just one OR the other, which is what you had suggested.

And if you do use the automated rankings, such as NET, for example, the AAC teams that are staying in the conference come next season are underwhelming at having only 1 conference team (today), well, the C-USA6 bring just as many.

clt says Toby is going to Toby

FAU beats FIU 79-53 and improves to 10-1.

(12-17-2022 03:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU beats FIU 79-53 and improves to 10-1.

Charlotte says hold my beer. Scores 80 and allows 46.

Congrats though OWLS on the rivalry win, a real no-doubter with Gwen Stefani on lead vocals.

(12-17-2022 03:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU beats FIU 79-53 and improves to 10-1.

clt says you gave up 53? Not my aac!

(12-17-2022 03:18 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 05:57 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Your definition suggests that Gonzaga win would not be a good win. Yes or No?

Your definition valued a win over 1-9 Louisville higher than a win over 8-3 FGCU. Yes or No?

The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

And, again, I did not suggest any concepts or methodologies. I just pointed out that all you're doing is attacking the new 6 members of AAC coming from C-USA. You are literally offering nothing else.

And, ultimately, I did suggest that you use some sort of a ranking that marries both conference strengths and wins into the consideration. Not just one OR the other, which is what you had suggested.

And if you do use the automated rankings, such as NET, for example, the AAC teams that are staying in the conference come next season are underwhelming at having only 1 conference team (today), well, the C-USA6 bring just as many.

Ok, come up with something better. What percent are good wins?

There is a saying in my father’s household: “easy to criticize - hard to do”.

(12-17-2022 04:00 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(12-17-2022 03:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU beats FIU 79-53 and improves to 10-1.

Charlotte says hold my beer. Scores 80 and allows 46.

Congrats though OWLS on the rivalry win, a real no-doubter with Gwen Stefani on lead vocals.

clt says stefani doesn’t age

(12-17-2022 04:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-17-2022 03:18 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 11:59 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(12-15-2022 06:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The Zags would be a good win. I agree a victory over an eight win FGCU squad is better than one win Louisville.

Based on your methodology of individual wins, what is percent of "good wins"?


EDIT:
I was curious so I ran the numbers as of 12/14/22. I assumed victories over non-D1 teams are not good victories. I assumed victories over squads winning 72.7% of all games (like FGCU) are good wins. Using those criteria, 11.4% of all CUSA6 wins were against good teams.

An aside: 61.1% of D1 CUSA6 victories were against schools with losing records.

Then FAU's win at Florida is not a good win (or UAB's vs South Carolina and Georgia)?

I did not suggest a methodology. I just shot holes in your efforts (to what end?). I am guessing that a good win is a win over teams above some ranking in Pom or NET or any mixture thereof.

Also, I have a very strong feeling that most of AAC teams' victories are also against teams with losing records. Would you like to spend some time checking that proposition out?

Do your own homework.

My second attempt incorporated your quality of individual wins concept.

All methodologies have limits. The idea is to attempt to find the best one truly describing a situation. I offered two different ways and you offered none to prove your case. Unless you come up with something better, I’ll stick with mine.

And, again, I did not suggest any concepts or methodologies. I just pointed out that all you're doing is attacking the new 6 members of AAC coming from C-USA. You are literally offering nothing else.

And, ultimately, I did suggest that you use some sort of a ranking that marries both conference strengths and wins into the consideration. Not just one OR the other, which is what you had suggested.

And if you do use the automated rankings, such as NET, for example, the AAC teams that are staying in the conference come next season are underwhelming at having only 1 conference team (today), well, the C-USA6 bring just as many.

Ok, come up with something better. What percent are good wins?

There is a saying in my father’s household: “easy to criticize - hard to do”.

Unlike you, I do not have an agenda. Your whole existence on this thread is with one aim in mind only - to show the inferiority of the incoming programs. Of course, you can not truly show that, unless you cherry pick stats. Such as, let's look at these programs' wins against a subset of conferences, or wins only against programs with a certain record or better. Don't you see the problem here? Neither way will provide any sort of consistent assessment of these programs by leaving out a lot of good (and/or bad) results