(12-29-2022 08:38 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 08:17 PM)82hawk Wrote:  I don't have an issue with FloSports like many do. The money that flows in equates to the money that would come in if we had two teams in the NCAA tournament each year. The production level has improved every year and is very good this year. CAAsports.com was practically invisible and offered free content but the quality was awful and brought in no revenue to the conference or schools.

The Big South, SoCon and A10 all have ESPN deals and I can't see that it has elevated their conferences to the point we can't compete for recruits. In fact, the CAA is ranked ahead of the SoCon and Big South and the A10 is looking like a 1 bid league as well. The CBSSN exposure is pretty substantial and a lot of CAA teams ended up on ESPN OOC anyhow.

I've had FLO since the beginning and it's well worth the cost to catch as many UNCW games as I do and games around the conference in all sports. I'm watching NU and A&T now, and have been watching some of the CofC game and the the Hofstra game on CBSSN. Overall, i'm happy with my ability to watch what I am interested in.

How happy are you with the lack of national exposure and the hit it puts on recruiting around the conference?

What evidence do you have that it hurts recruiting? CofC is on the verge of a Top 25 ranking with one of the best incoming classes in the nation next year. UNCW has taken down top midmajor teams both last year and this year and i'm really happy with our recruits. I get that people don't like to pay for an extra streaming service but really, $12.50 a month to catch every conference game in basketball and baseball is just too much? That's what this is really about, not the exposure.

(12-29-2022 09:05 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 08:38 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 08:17 PM)82hawk Wrote:  I don't have an issue with FloSports like many do. The money that flows in equates to the money that would come in if we had two teams in the NCAA tournament each year. The production level has improved every year and is very good this year. CAAsports.com was practically invisible and offered free content but the quality was awful and brought in no revenue to the conference or schools.

The Big South, SoCon and A10 all have ESPN deals and I can't see that it has elevated their conferences to the point we can't compete for recruits. In fact, the CAA is ranked ahead of the SoCon and Big South and the A10 is looking like a 1 bid league as well. The CBSSN exposure is pretty substantial and a lot of CAA teams ended up on ESPN OOC anyhow.

I've had FLO since the beginning and it's well worth the cost to catch as many UNCW games as I do and games around the conference in all sports. I'm watching NU and A&T now, and have been watching some of the CofC game and the the Hofstra game on CBSSN. Overall, i'm happy with my ability to watch what I am interested in.

How happy are you with the lack of national exposure and the hit it puts on recruiting around the conference?

What evidence do you have that it hurts recruiting? CofC is on the verge of a Top 25 ranking with one of the best incoming classes in the nation next year. UNCW has taken down top midmajor teams both last year and this year and i'm really happy with our recruits. I get that people don't like to pay for an extra streaming service but really, $12.50 a month to catch every conference game in basketball and baseball is just too much? That's what this is really about, not the exposure.

I could give a $hit about 12.50 a month we have far too many subscriptions already what's another 12.50?. What I do care about is anyone outside of NC not even knowing where we are on the map. You gave an example of two coaches who will recruit well no matter where they are or what crappy stream they are available on. I give you the entire bottom half of the conference which is complete crap. And some like NU under the same coach have gone down hill on Flos watch.

(12-29-2022 10:08 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 09:05 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 08:38 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 08:17 PM)82hawk Wrote:  I don't have an issue with FloSports like many do. The money that flows in equates to the money that would come in if we had two teams in the NCAA tournament each year. The production level has improved every year and is very good this year. CAAsports.com was practically invisible and offered free content but the quality was awful and brought in no revenue to the conference or schools.

The Big South, SoCon and A10 all have ESPN deals and I can't see that it has elevated their conferences to the point we can't compete for recruits. In fact, the CAA is ranked ahead of the SoCon and Big South and the A10 is looking like a 1 bid league as well. The CBSSN exposure is pretty substantial and a lot of CAA teams ended up on ESPN OOC anyhow.

I've had FLO since the beginning and it's well worth the cost to catch as many UNCW games as I do and games around the conference in all sports. I'm watching NU and A&T now, and have been watching some of the CofC game and the the Hofstra game on CBSSN. Overall, i'm happy with my ability to watch what I am interested in.

How happy are you with the lack of national exposure and the hit it puts on recruiting around the conference?

What evidence do you have that it hurts recruiting? CofC is on the verge of a Top 25 ranking with one of the best incoming classes in the nation next year. UNCW has taken down top midmajor teams both last year and this year and i'm really happy with our recruits. I get that people don't like to pay for an extra streaming service but really, $12.50 a month to catch every conference game in basketball and baseball is just too much? That's what this is really about, not the exposure.

I could give a $hit about 12.50 a month we have far too many subscriptions already what's another 12.50?. What I do care about is anyone outside of NC not even knowing where we are on the map. You gave an example of two coaches who will recruit well no matter where they are or what crappy stream they are available on. I give you the entire bottom half of the conference which is complete crap. And some like NU under the same coach have gone down hill on Flos watch.

The bottom half of the conference are mostly brand new and came from conferences that were on ESPN, so their recruiting happened while they had that amazing exposure. I didn't know where Monmouth or Stony Brook were before they came here despite them being on ESPN. And where were our games shown prior to Flo? CAASPORTS.com., right? Did Northeastern have more exposure on that streaming channel than they do on Flo? So what's your point?

There isn't a point. Recruiting hasn't suffered, exposure on ESPN+ doesn't matter. We can pretend that basketball fans will stop and watch teams play on ESPN+ they don't follow or we can realize that isn't happening. I have ESPN+ and haven't once turned on an A10 game unless it was to watch an upcoming opponent. And even then, it's just for a few minutes. I will also say that we would likely lose fans coming to home games if they were all on ESPN+, which would harm our home court advantage.

Players would rather come and play at a packed Trask coliseum all day long vs. playing at an empty arena for Jacksonville or Coastal Carolina on ESPN+. They'd rather play for a good coach that is winning than play on ESPN+. They'd rather play at a school that books flights for travel and puts them in nice off campus housing rather than dorms. They'd rather play at a school that has a nice renovated locker room than play on ESPN+. Because those are the real choices they're making.

If I lived closer i'd get season tickets and go to every game. Right now I go to three or four games and watch the rest on ESPN, CBSSN and Flo. The mix is really nice and I don't miss any games unless I have other obligations. Our production for games on Flo is actually really good. As for players we reach out to them, they don't reach out to us. That's how recruiting works. And i'm confident if we are serious about a player, we hook them up with access to watch us play on Flo as well. Somehow or another we've managed to pick up recruits from Chicago and North Dakota without the exposure of ESPN+. We're doing alright and ESPN isn't stopping anything. We did well without it under Brownell, Keatts and now Siddle.

82 northeastern has most home games in mens basketball on nesn. Most of the people that get flo sports are the parents and relatives of players. I feel we would do better being on espn+. I know coaches that feel the same way

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I said on that poll, but the only part that matters is regional exposure. National exposure is a different animal, and you can't cross that bridge until you cross the regional one first. I know Drexel and Northeastern, and I believe Hofstra are all taking advantage of that and using the Flo money to broadcast regionally (NBC Philly, NESN etc). So any deal forward needs to have some form of regional broadcasts. Our conference has always had some minor national coverage: ESPN2 for title game, NBCSN, CBSSN. So maintaining that is important as well.

The set up the league has now is far from perfect, but also far from terrible. Do people know anything about Flo? No. Does anyone carry Flo? No. But I dont think our conference right now is vying for national eyeballs. Lets focus on regional eyeballs first. The schools that are just pocketing the money are being disingenuous and not helping the conference grow. But I imagine most who are not using the money for regional tv are honestly using it for better travel amenities, recruiting visits etc all which do help grow them individually. But the schools are always going to like being given money and be allowed to choose how to spend it, versus paying money for exposure and hampering the ability to spend freely for their own programs.

I'm a firm believer the 4 NC schools could partner with Capitol Broadcasting to get games on local TV in Raleigh, Wilmington and Greensboro markets.

Doesn't even have to be all the games

The packed white out home game vs Charleston in a couple weeks would be an excellent commercial for the community on why they should come out to Trask and support this team

(12-30-2022 08:52 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I said on that poll, but the only part that matters is regional exposure. National exposure is a different animal, and you can't cross that bridge until you cross the regional one first. I know Drexel and Northeastern, and I believe Hofstra are all taking advantage of that and using the Flo money to broadcast regionally (NBC Philly, NESN etc). So any deal forward needs to have some form of regional broadcasts. Our conference has always had some minor national coverage: ESPN2 for title game, NBCSN, CBSSN. So maintaining that is important as well.

The set up the league has now is far from perfect, but also far from terrible. Do people know anything about Flo? No. Does anyone carry Flo? No. But I dont think our conference right now is vying for national eyeballs. Lets focus on regional eyeballs first. The schools that are just pocketing the money are being disingenuous and not helping the conference grow. But I imagine most who are not using the money for regional tv are honestly using it for better travel amenities, recruiting visits etc all which do help grow them individually. But the schools are always going to like being given money and be allowed to choose how to spend it, versus paying money for exposure and hampering the ability to spend freely for their own programs.

I think the CAA is taking steps in the right direction. The current expansion is creating a better regional setup for exposure with the N/S setup that is taking shape. More people are interested in a NC A&T vs UNCW game than NC A&T vs. Northeastern, just like more people are interested in a Hofstra vs. Stony Brook game. This setup should also decrease expenses and increase income, along with the income from Flo. If finances improve that money can be spent on coaches, facilities, recruiting, player stipends, etc., which should improve the quality of teams. The CAA just has to focus on bringing in schools that have the desire to excel and improve their athletic programs. In North Carolina, public universities get zero support from the state for athletics beyond the employment of an athletic director, so finances are always an issue.

(12-30-2022 09:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I'm a firm believer the 4 NC schools could partner with Capitol Broadcasting to get games on local TV in Raleigh, Wilmington and Greensboro markets.

Doesn't even have to be all the games

The packed white out home game vs Charleston in a couple weeks would be an excellent commercial for the community on why they should come out to Trask and support this team

If the games aren't sold out, why would they do that?

So, why does Siddle hate the FloSports contract?

(12-30-2022 10:24 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, why does Siddle hate the FloSports contract?

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?

If a game is played on FloSports and no one outside the hardcore CAA fanbase subscribes, does anyone see it?

(12-30-2022 10:39 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 10:24 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, why does Siddle hate the FloSports contract?

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?

If a game is played on FloSports and no one outside the hardcore CAA fanbase subscribes, does anyone see it?

Anyone...like who? Who do we think would be watching if only the games were on ESPN+ instead of Flo? And how would that benefit the program?

(12-30-2022 11:06 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 10:39 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 10:24 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, why does Siddle hate the FloSports contract?

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?

If a game is played on FloSports and no one outside the hardcore CAA fanbase subscribes, does anyone see it?

Anyone...like who? Who do we think would be watching if only the games were on ESPN+ instead of Flo? And how would that benefit the program?

Ummm, recruits? Heck, I watch games on ESPN GameDay, Fox Sports, SEC, etc. that I wouldn't otherwise pay to see.

(12-30-2022 10:09 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 09:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I'm a firm believer the 4 NC schools could partner with Capitol Broadcasting to get games on local TV in Raleigh, Wilmington and Greensboro markets.

Doesn't even have to be all the games

The packed white out home game vs Charleston in a couple weeks would be an excellent commercial for the community on why they should come out to Trask and support this team

If the games aren't sold out, why would they do that?

That's incorrect old school thinking that TV hurts the live gate

It's just not true

TV exposure is a commercial. They are dumb if they are truly turning down local TV for that reason

(12-30-2022 11:24 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 11:06 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 10:39 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 10:24 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, why does Siddle hate the FloSports contract?

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?

If a game is played on FloSports and no one outside the hardcore CAA fanbase subscribes, does anyone see it?

Anyone...like who? Who do we think would be watching if only the games were on ESPN+ instead of Flo? And how would that benefit the program?

Ummm, recruits? Heck, I watch games on ESPN GameDay, Fox Sports, SEC, etc. that I wouldn't otherwise pay to see.

All kinds of people are subscribed to ESPN+, and check out what's going on with various games of interest that they would not otherwise watch if they had to go subscribe to an off-label cable outfit like Flo just to do so.

For instance, just suppose that Charleston and UNCW continue to win. When they meet up - one team nationally ranked and both teams having two of the nation's longest winning streaks - it would be easy for me to imagine a LOT of ESPN+ subscribing basketball fans around the country tuning in on that platform to see the game. And the benefit to the program would be obvious.

Does anyone really think anybody is going to subscribe to Flo just to watch the game?

70s as i stated before parents and other family members. 33 and i go to most sports with a few others and none of them get flo sports. They go ro walk ons to watch a big game on road.

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(12-30-2022 04:09 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  70s as i stated before parents and other family members. 33 and i go to most sports with a few others and none of them get flo sports. They go ro walk ons to watch a big game on road.

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How big is that crowd?

(12-30-2022 02:37 PM)70shawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 11:24 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 11:06 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 10:39 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 10:24 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, why does Siddle hate the FloSports contract?

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?

If a game is played on FloSports and no one outside the hardcore CAA fanbase subscribes, does anyone see it?

Anyone...like who? Who do we think would be watching if only the games were on ESPN+ instead of Flo? And how would that benefit the program?

Ummm, recruits? Heck, I watch games on ESPN GameDay, Fox Sports, SEC, etc. that I wouldn't otherwise pay to see.

All kinds of people are subscribed to ESPN+, and check out what's going on with various games of interest that they would not otherwise watch if they had to go subscribe to an off-label cable outfit like Flo just to do so.

For instance, just suppose that Charleston and UNCW continue to win. When they meet up - one team nationally ranked and both teams having two of the nation's longest winning streaks - it would be easy for me to imagine a LOT of ESPN+ subscribing basketball fans around the country tuning in on that platform to see the game. And the benefit to the program would be obvious.

Does anyone really think anybody is going to subscribe to Flo just to watch the game?

This is where we disagree. I don't think the interest would be there except for fans of those teams. I'm a pretty big fan of the game and I don't spend any time watching midmajors play on ESPN/ESPN+ that have nothing to do with the CAA or UNCW. I'll turn on NCSU and Clemson right now, but only because those teams have a connection to UNCW. We may get some UNCW fans to attend a game because they happened to catch us on ESPN+ and realized we were fun to watch. But if they cared at all about watching UNCW basketball on TV, they could have already seen us on ESPN, Fox and CBSSN.

IMO, we assume there is some benefit we are missing that I just don't see based on facts. We aren't a national brand that has fans outside those who both went to UNCW and care about basketball. If we did, then ESPN could help keep those fans engaged and buying UNCW merch to wear which would create revenue and enhance the program.

I'd rather we focus on how to became a brand that attracts casual fans to our programs. Focus on marketing, game time experience, unique merchandise, etc. to help build the brand. Then we can worry about exposure for UNCW athletic programs on TV. We really don't have anything to sell at this point except a run of the mill midmajor program like you can find anywhere in America. Look at what is happening at Charleston right now. Their coach and athletic department are setting the city on fire with marketing. They're using social media and making their games a centerpeice for the entire city to attend. They had a sellout with students out of town against a crappy Hampton team on the break between Christmas and New Years. Their coach sends out a video inviting every student to come to games. He's fired up and he's getting the town fired up. That's how you build a program and it has nothing to do with ESPN.

(12-30-2022 04:24 PM)82hawk Wrote:  I'd rather we focus on how to became a brand that attracts casual fans to our programs.

Putting your games on a service no one has heard of or buys is a surefire way to kill that dead

(12-30-2022 04:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 04:24 PM)82hawk Wrote:  I'd rather we focus on how to became a brand that attracts casual fans to our programs.

Putting your games on a service no one has heard of or buys is a surefire way to kill that dead

How is Charleston doing it on the exact same platform?

Solo depending on game determines crowd at walk ons. I have seen just a few people and in cbi packed with uncw fans. Soneone posted pic of last game score at walk ons but not fans. They will put game on if you ask which i did last year for baseball caa tourney with some fans.

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