(03-29-2023 09:31 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:12 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 07:54 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 04:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 06:24 AM)emu79 Wrote:  It speaks well of CC and his mentoring abilities that so many of his assistants have gone on to bigger and better things. If I was a young D2 or FCS coach I would love to come to EMU and be part of his staff and be part of the best culture and value program IMO in the MAC and one of the best in the entire country.

He seems to build a superior culture. It cannot be an accident that QB Michael Penix transferred from one Creighton disciple, Tom Allen at IU, to another at Washington. I assume there was collaboration with DeBoer on the move.

No hires like Josh Gattis who spit back at you when they depart.

It makes me a little sad that his underlings are getting filthy rich and the man himself is still grinding in relative obscurity. Selfishly, I hope he retires at EMU but a part of me wouldn't mind seeing him getting rewarded with a shot on the biggest stage, making big $$$...of course after we win the MAC championship.

Chris Creighton has made over $5.5 M the past 10 years while at EMU. Probably 4 or 5 times all of you have made in your lifetimes.

Relatively speaking, yes he is wealthy BUT in the college football world, he is nowhere near as rich as a P5 head coach. I hope this point is obvious...

CC is our little secret right? That's pretty cool.

CC has gotten to raise his family in the same place for years - something that coaches don't typically get to do. I don't know what thats worth - but its gotta be worth a lot.

Couple CC history notes:

CC has 46 wins - 3rd all time at EMU. Trosko has 50 and CC should catch him this year. Rynearson has 114. He ain't catching Elton.

CC has 27 conference wins - Harkema has 32. CC should catch him this year too.

Per Da Scoop:

Eastern Michigan: Tate Omli is joining the staff as safeties / passing game coordinator.

(03-29-2023 07:54 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 04:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 06:24 AM)emu79 Wrote:  It speaks well of CC and his mentoring abilities that so many of his assistants have gone on to bigger and better things. If I was a young D2 or FCS coach I would love to come to EMU and be part of his staff and be part of the best culture and value program IMO in the MAC and one of the best in the entire country.

He seems to build a superior culture. It cannot be an accident that QB Michael Penix transferred from one Creighton disciple, Tom Allen at IU, to another at Washington. I assume there was collaboration with DeBoer on the move.

No hires like Josh Gattis who spit back at you when they depart.

It makes me a little sad that his underlings are getting filthy rich and the man himself is still grinding in relative obscurity. Selfishly, I hope he retires at EMU but a part of me wouldn't mind seeing him getting rewarded with a shot on the biggest stage, making big $$$...of course after we win the MAC championship.

I can sympathize with your sentiments Bob. Chris took what might have been the worst job in the FBS, acquitted himself well, yet will most likely never be offered a P5 job due to his W-L record.

However, Allen and Deboer did not leave his program to immediately become head coaches, they had to toil as assistants elsewhere. They were not Kirby Smart getting the Georgia job immediately coming from the Saban coaching tree. Thus, I don't envy what CC's former assistants are making.

Ascending from an assistant position to a good head coaching job involves strategy, risk and luck. Saddi Washington would seem to be the perfect fit for WMU basketball but has turned down the job twice. He would rather wait it out in A2 than risk his career for a situation in Kzoo that might be a dead end. Tom Allen was lucky, his head coach was fired, and he was there to fit the bill at a school that was not going to break the bank to hire someone else. DeBoer went West to be a coordinator and he obviously is great, his ascendence is pure logic.

When Creighton accepted the offer from EMU, he got a big pay raise. That pay bump, however, is miniscule as you say Bob when compared to his P5 counterparts. I see your point, but college coaching is what it is. Like Lucky says he is doing much better than those of us on this board.

(03-30-2023 11:49 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Per Da Scoop:

Eastern Michigan: Tate Omli is joining the staff as safeties / passing game coordinator.

https://emueagles.com/news/2023/3/30/tat...coach.aspx

(03-30-2023 07:26 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 07:54 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 04:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 06:24 AM)emu79 Wrote:  It speaks well of CC and his mentoring abilities that so many of his assistants have gone on to bigger and better things. If I was a young D2 or FCS coach I would love to come to EMU and be part of his staff and be part of the best culture and value program IMO in the MAC and one of the best in the entire country.

He seems to build a superior culture. It cannot be an accident that QB Michael Penix transferred from one Creighton disciple, Tom Allen at IU, to another at Washington. I assume there was collaboration with DeBoer on the move.

No hires like Josh Gattis who spit back at you when they depart.

It makes me a little sad that his underlings are getting filthy rich and the man himself is still grinding in relative obscurity. Selfishly, I hope he retires at EMU but a part of me wouldn't mind seeing him getting rewarded with a shot on the biggest stage, making big $$$...of course after we win the MAC championship.

I can sympathize with your sentiments Bob. Chris took what might have been the worst job in the FBS, acquitted himself well, yet will most likely never be offered a P5 job due to his W-L record.

However, Allen and Deboer did not leave his program to immediately become head coaches, they had to toil as assistants elsewhere. They were not Kirby Smart getting the Georgia job immediately coming from the Saban coaching tree. Thus, I don't envy what CC's former assistants are making.

Ascending from an assistant position to a good head coaching job involves strategy, risk and luck. Saddi Washington would seem to be the perfect fit for WMU basketball but has turned down the job twice. He would rather wait it out in A2 than risk his career for a situation in Kzoo that might be a dead end. Tom Allen was lucky, his head coach was fired, and he was there to fit the bill at a school that was not going to break the bank to hire someone else. DeBoer went West to be a coordinator and he obviously is great, his ascendence is pure logic.

When Creighton accepted the offer from EMU, he got a big pay raise. That pay bump, however, is miniscule as you say Bob when compared to his P5 counterparts. I see your point, but college coaching is what it is. Like Lucky says he is doing much better than those of us on this board.

Excellent points. No doubt about it, we would all sign up for CC's success and financial situation and I'm sure he feels the same. I hope everyone associated with EMU appreciates the fine work he's done for us and I can feel a MAC championship is coming and that is going to feel like the Lions winning the Super Bowl for me...even though I experienced the magical 1987 season.

Chris Chestnut is our new WR coach. He spent the past two years at WMU.

https://emueagles.com/news/2023/4/11/chr...coach.aspx

BAH GAWD IS THAT THE COACHING CAROUSELS MUSIC I HEAR?

(07-11-2023 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  BAH GAWD IS THAT THE COACHING CAROUSELS MUSIC I HEAR?

I think this opening is problematic for us for a variety of reasons. NW needs to bring in a character coach to fix this. CC's record is an easier sell to NW alumni given their recent on-field performance and his history at EMU. Evanston is close enough to make frequent trips. This is big trouble.

I think they ride it out with an interim coach or find someone currently unemployed for '23 before finding a permanent solution toward season end. It's doubtful CC would jump ship right before the season but will certainly be in play come Nov/Dec if they don't have a permanent solution by then. I just don't know that he'd want to be the doormat of the B1G with USC and UCLA coming in soon.

(07-11-2023 10:26 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  BAH GAWD IS THAT THE COACHING CAROUSELS MUSIC I HEAR?

I think this opening is problematic for us for a variety of reasons. NW needs to bring in a character coach to fix this. CC's record is an easier sell to NW alumni given their recent on-field performance and his history at EMU. Evanston is close enough to make frequent trips. This is big trouble.

I think they ride it out with an interim coach or find someone currently unemployed for '23 before finding a permanent solution toward season end. It's doubtful CC would jump ship right before the season but will certainly be in play come Nov/Dec if they don't have a permanent solution by then. I just don't know that he'd want to be the doormat of the B1G with USC and UCLA coming in soon.

Here's Bruce Feldman's List at the Athletic:
Mike Kafka, New York Giants offensive coordinator
Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
Dave Clawson, Wake Forest head coach
Mike Elko, Duke head coach
Willie Fritz, Tulane head coach
Chris Creighton, Eastern Michigan head coach
Sherrone Moore, Michigan offensive coordinator
Tommy Rees, Alabama offensive coordinator
Paul Chryst, former Wisconsin head coach

(07-11-2023 10:35 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:26 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  BAH GAWD IS THAT THE COACHING CAROUSELS MUSIC I HEAR?

I think this opening is problematic for us for a variety of reasons. NW needs to bring in a character coach to fix this. CC's record is an easier sell to NW alumni given their recent on-field performance and his history at EMU. Evanston is close enough to make frequent trips. This is big trouble.

I think they ride it out with an interim coach or find someone currently unemployed for '23 before finding a permanent solution toward season end. It's doubtful CC would jump ship right before the season but will certainly be in play come Nov/Dec if they don't have a permanent solution by then. I just don't know that he'd want to be the doormat of the B1G with USC and UCLA coming in soon.

Here's Bruce Feldman's List at the Athletic:
Mike Kafka, New York Giants offensive coordinator
Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
Dave Clawson, Wake Forest head coach
Mike Elko, Duke head coach
Willie Fritz, Tulane head coach
Chris Creighton, Eastern Michigan head coach
Sherrone Moore, Michigan offensive coordinator
Tommy Rees, Alabama offensive coordinator
Paul Chryst, former Wisconsin head coach

I saw a different list with Toledo's Candle mentioned.

(07-11-2023 12:08 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:35 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:26 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  BAH GAWD IS THAT THE COACHING CAROUSELS MUSIC I HEAR?

I think this opening is problematic for us for a variety of reasons. NW needs to bring in a character coach to fix this. CC's record is an easier sell to NW alumni given their recent on-field performance and his history at EMU. Evanston is close enough to make frequent trips. This is big trouble.

I think they ride it out with an interim coach or find someone currently unemployed for '23 before finding a permanent solution toward season end. It's doubtful CC would jump ship right before the season but will certainly be in play come Nov/Dec if they don't have a permanent solution by then. I just don't know that he'd want to be the doormat of the B1G with USC and UCLA coming in soon.

Here's Bruce Feldman's List at the Athletic:
Mike Kafka, New York Giants offensive coordinator
Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
Dave Clawson, Wake Forest head coach
Mike Elko, Duke head coach
Willie Fritz, Tulane head coach
Chris Creighton, Eastern Michigan head coach
Sherrone Moore, Michigan offensive coordinator
Tommy Rees, Alabama offensive coordinator
Paul Chryst, former Wisconsin head coach

I saw a different list with Toledo's Candle mentioned.

Yes - Candle would be a great get for Northwestern but I would hate to see him leave Toledo. I believe Candle underachieves at Toledo

(07-11-2023 12:54 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 12:08 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:35 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:26 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(07-11-2023 10:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  BAH GAWD IS THAT THE COACHING CAROUSELS MUSIC I HEAR?

I think this opening is problematic for us for a variety of reasons. NW needs to bring in a character coach to fix this. CC's record is an easier sell to NW alumni given their recent on-field performance and his history at EMU. Evanston is close enough to make frequent trips. This is big trouble.

I think they ride it out with an interim coach or find someone currently unemployed for '23 before finding a permanent solution toward season end. It's doubtful CC would jump ship right before the season but will certainly be in play come Nov/Dec if they don't have a permanent solution by then. I just don't know that he'd want to be the doormat of the B1G with USC and UCLA coming in soon.

Here's Bruce Feldman's List at the Athletic:
Mike Kafka, New York Giants offensive coordinator
Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
Dave Clawson, Wake Forest head coach
Mike Elko, Duke head coach
Willie Fritz, Tulane head coach
Chris Creighton, Eastern Michigan head coach
Sherrone Moore, Michigan offensive coordinator
Tommy Rees, Alabama offensive coordinator
Paul Chryst, former Wisconsin head coach

I saw a different list with Toledo's Candle mentioned.

Yes - Candle would be a great get for Northwestern but I would hate to see him leave Toledo. I believe Candle underachieves at Toledo

Agreed!

MSU will almost certainly need a new (squeaky clean) coach. I will be surprised if we don't need a new head coach for 2024

(09-10-2023 12:07 PM)Ypsitownie Wrote:  MSU will almost certainly need a new (squeaky clean) coach. I will be surprised if we don't need a new head coach for 2024

While it's possible Creighton leaves after this season, it won't be for MSU. I'd say it's nearly impossible Michigan State would hire him. If they were going to go the MAC route, Candle makes much more sense in terms of being able to sell the hire. Candle has a winning record and has won multiple MAC titles. Another good fit for them would be Leipold, he had success at a MAC school and now seems to be turning things around at a power five school.

I think we all understand the job Creighton has done and how amazing of a turn around it has been, but he still has a losing record and never been to the MAC title game, let alone won the MAC. Michigan State just went the route of hiring a guy like Tucker, who had a losing record, and we have seen how that has worked out.

If he ever takes another job I think it'd be a school considered a level up but not a big name school. Something like Cincy, Syracuse, Kansas...something along those lines.

Tucker has been fired! I'm sure there will be a hefty severance package unless he violated something in his contract with his stupidity.

(09-10-2023 01:02 PM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 12:07 PM)Ypsitownie Wrote:  MSU will almost certainly need a new (squeaky clean) coach. I will be surprised if we don't need a new head coach for 2024

While it's possible Creighton leaves after this season, it won't be for MSU. I'd say it's nearly impossible Michigan State would hire him. If they were going to go the MAC route, Candle makes much more sense in terms of being able to sell the hire. Candle has a winning record and has won multiple MAC titles. Another good fit for them would be Leipold, he had success at a MAC school and now seems to be turning things around at a power five school.

I think we all understand the job Creighton has done and how amazing of a turn around it has been, but he still has a losing record and never been to the MAC title game, let alone won the MAC. Michigan State just went the route of hiring a guy like Tucker, who had a losing record, and we have seen how that has worked out.

If he ever takes another job I think it'd be a school considered a level up but not a big name school. Something like Cincy, Syracuse, Kansas...something along those lines.

And school not plagued with scandals like MSU

(09-10-2023 03:23 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Tucker has been fired! I'm sure there will be a hefty severance package unless he violated something in his contract with his stupidity.

He has been suspended pending investigation.

If CC goes 8-4 or better, I’m betting he’s somewhere else next year for one last B1G payday.

(09-10-2023 03:48 PM)holybovine Wrote:  If CC goes 8-4 or better, I’m betting he’s somewhere else next year for one last B1G payday.

With this schedule, that's almost a guarantee! Very winnable schedule!

(09-10-2023 03:23 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Tucker has been fired! I'm sure there will be a hefty severance package unless he violated something in his contract with his stupidity.

That was the orginal report, but as emu79 noted, he is suspended (without pay I might add). The hearing is next month and I would guess that he when he is actually fired.

There will be no sererance. When he signed his crazy 10 year $95M contract it was fully guaranteed, meaning if they went something like four years without winning a game they could fire him but still have to pay him all $95M. The one exception was if he was fired for cause...which this would be. That means MSU will save nearly $80M.

Not matter what you think of anything else regarding Tucker or this situation, the good news for MSU is that it sounds like they are getting out from under a guy who (in my opinion) is a bad football coach.