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If Trump becomes president again he'll pardon Fox and his band of misfits along with the January 6th insurrectionists.

(12-27-2022 08:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  It’s just too easy to spark you guys up.

If you aren’t paying attention it isn’t Dems vs Republicans at this point.

We are still sitting here confounded about Jan 6th?

Anyone watching how much tax payer money is going to Ukraine? Not military equipment…. MONEY. And now that Russia wants to start taking about truce. Well…. We still sending those dollars?

I’m the furthest from a Trumper…. That guy is a disaster.

But what’s happening now is wild.

The only reason Putin wants a truce is because he's losing, partly because the US has sent Ukraine weapons and money. If I'm Ukraine, I'm not negotiating with Putin until all his forces are out of Ukraine.

(12-28-2022 11:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 08:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  It’s just too easy to spark you guys up.

If you aren’t paying attention it isn’t Dems vs Republicans at this point.

We are still sitting here confounded about Jan 6th?

Anyone watching how much tax payer money is going to Ukraine? Not military equipment…. MONEY. And now that Russia wants to start taking about truce. Well…. We still sending those dollars?

I’m the furthest from a Trumper…. That guy is a disaster.

But what’s happening now is wild.

The only reason Putin wants a truce is because he's losing, partly because the US has sent Ukraine weapons and money. If I'm Ukraine, I'm not negotiating with Putin until all his forces are out of Ukraine.

That's too logical and obvious. The true thinkers of our time figure out the conspiracy theory behind what we see on the surface. We shouldn't believe anything until we figure out how Antifa or BLM are involved.

(12-28-2022 11:29 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 11:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 08:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  It’s just too easy to spark you guys up.

If you aren’t paying attention it isn’t Dems vs Republicans at this point.

We are still sitting here confounded about Jan 6th?

Anyone watching how much tax payer money is going to Ukraine? Not military equipment…. MONEY. And now that Russia wants to start taking about truce. Well…. We still sending those dollars?

I’m the furthest from a Trumper…. That guy is a disaster.

But what’s happening now is wild.

The only reason Putin wants a truce is because he's losing, partly because the US has sent Ukraine weapons and money. If I'm Ukraine, I'm not negotiating with Putin until all his forces are out of Ukraine.

That's too logical and obvious. The true thinkers of our time figure out the conspiracy theory behind what we see on the surface. We shouldn't believe anything until we figure out how Antifa or BLM are involved.

Antifa, BLM, and Soros. The biggest threats in the history of the United States. lol

(12-28-2022 12:34 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 11:29 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 11:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 08:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  It’s just too easy to spark you guys up.

If you aren’t paying attention it isn’t Dems vs Republicans at this point.

We are still sitting here confounded about Jan 6th?

Anyone watching how much tax payer money is going to Ukraine? Not military equipment…. MONEY. And now that Russia wants to start taking about truce. Well…. We still sending those dollars?

I’m the furthest from a Trumper…. That guy is a disaster.

But what’s happening now is wild.

The only reason Putin wants a truce is because he's losing, partly because the US has sent Ukraine weapons and money. If I'm Ukraine, I'm not negotiating with Putin until all his forces are out of Ukraine.

That's too logical and obvious. The true thinkers of our time figure out the conspiracy theory behind what we see on the surface. We shouldn't believe anything until we figure out how Antifa or BLM are involved.

Antifa, BLM, and Soros. The biggest threats in the history of the United States. lol

But Hunter Biden's laptop!!!!!!!!!

Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

(12-28-2022 10:29 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

I think you are talking more in terms of far right and far left... I never argued election results - but i did argue that we might want to create a more transparent and secure election going forward... I don't believe in white nationalism... I have always believed that Putin like most other Russian leaders is just a figure head for the oligarchs who use their influence to guide the Russian agenda. You would have to be specific about "alternative" facts... if you are talking Covid and the idea that the vaccine was fully safe and the only way to get beyond the pandemic... sure I may disagree there...

Lumping all Conservatives into that black box is just ignorant and being divisive in an effort to virtue signal makes you just as much of the problem as the problem you put on anyone not in line with your political belief system.

(12-28-2022 11:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:29 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

I think you are talking more in terms of far right and far left... I never argued election results - but i did argue that we might want to create a more transparent and secure election going forward... I don't believe in white nationalism... I have always believed that Putin like most other Russian leaders is just a figure head for the oligarchs who use their influence to guide the Russian agenda. You would have to be specific about "alternative" facts... if you are talking Covid and the idea that the vaccine was fully safe and the only way to get beyond the pandemic... sure I may disagree there...

Lumping all Conservatives into that black box is just ignorant and being divisive in an effort to virtue signal makes you just as much of the problem as the problem you put on anyone not in line with your political belief system.

I’m lumping you into a group that feels compelled to whatabout & defend a person who plotted to kidnap & murder the Governor of Michigan.

(12-28-2022 11:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:29 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

I think you are talking more in terms of far right and far left... I never argued election results - but i did argue that we might want to create a more transparent and secure election going forward... I don't believe in white nationalism... I have always believed that Putin like most other Russian leaders is just a figure head for the oligarchs who use their influence to guide the Russian agenda. You would have to be specific about "alternative" facts... if you are talking Covid and the idea that the vaccine was fully safe and the only way to get beyond the pandemic... sure I may disagree there...

Lumping all Conservatives into that black box is just ignorant and being divisive in an effort to virtue signal makes you just as much of the problem as the problem you put on anyone not in line with your political belief system.

I’m lumping you into a group that feels compelled to whatabout & defend a person who plotted to kidnap & murder the Governor of Michigan. You even managed to work Russia & Ukraine into your whataboutism.

Since you're insulted that I lumped you in with these types of conservatives, can I ask who you voted for in the last Presidential election?

(12-28-2022 11:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:29 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

I think you are talking more in terms of far right and far left... I never argued election results - but i did argue that we might want to create a more transparent and secure election going forward... I don't believe in white nationalism... I have always believed that Putin like most other Russian leaders is just a figure head for the oligarchs who use their influence to guide the Russian agenda. You would have to be specific about "alternative" facts... if you are talking Covid and the idea that the vaccine was fully safe and the only way to get beyond the pandemic... sure I may disagree there...

Lumping all Conservatives into that black box is just ignorant and being divisive in an effort to virtue signal makes you just as much of the problem as the problem you put on anyone not in line with your political belief system.

The oligarchs don't have any real power without Putin. The oligarchs had no reason to start a war in Ukraine, and they've lost a lot as a result. But they can't stop the war.

There's also no reason to believe the election wasn't secure. Making it harder for certain people to vote doesn't make the election more secure or transparent.

(12-29-2022 11:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 11:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:29 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

I think you are talking more in terms of far right and far left... I never argued election results - but i did argue that we might want to create a more transparent and secure election going forward... I don't believe in white nationalism... I have always believed that Putin like most other Russian leaders is just a figure head for the oligarchs who use their influence to guide the Russian agenda. You would have to be specific about "alternative" facts... if you are talking Covid and the idea that the vaccine was fully safe and the only way to get beyond the pandemic... sure I may disagree there...

Lumping all Conservatives into that black box is just ignorant and being divisive in an effort to virtue signal makes you just as much of the problem as the problem you put on anyone not in line with your political belief system.

The oligarchs don't have any real power without Putin. The oligarchs had no reason to start a war in Ukraine, and they've lost a lot as a result. But they can't stop the war.

There's also no reason to believe the election wasn't secure. Making it harder for certain people to vote doesn't make the election more secure or transparent.

I dont think making it harder for people to vote is the solution. However our national elections use all sorts of different technologies and even in these last elections there were failures and malfunctions. Who knows how many votes for either side are lost when these type of "glitches" happen..

Why we aren't using a more modern approach to voting (and likely making it even EASIER) by potentially leveraging block chain technologies... which would allow individuals to vote securely online! And it would be immediate... we wouldn't be doing the whole "waiting for such and such county to report"... etc... but what do I know. Im just an apparent racist, nazi loving, election denier conservative.

(12-29-2022 11:27 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 11:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 11:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:29 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

I think you are talking more in terms of far right and far left... I never argued election results - but i did argue that we might want to create a more transparent and secure election going forward... I don't believe in white nationalism... I have always believed that Putin like most other Russian leaders is just a figure head for the oligarchs who use their influence to guide the Russian agenda. You would have to be specific about "alternative" facts... if you are talking Covid and the idea that the vaccine was fully safe and the only way to get beyond the pandemic... sure I may disagree there...

Lumping all Conservatives into that black box is just ignorant and being divisive in an effort to virtue signal makes you just as much of the problem as the problem you put on anyone not in line with your political belief system.

The oligarchs don't have any real power without Putin. The oligarchs had no reason to start a war in Ukraine, and they've lost a lot as a result. But they can't stop the war.

There's also no reason to believe the election wasn't secure. Making it harder for certain people to vote doesn't make the election more secure or transparent.

I dont think making it harder for people to vote is the solution. However our national elections use all sorts of different technologies and even in these last elections there were failures and malfunctions. Who knows how many votes for either side are lost when these type of "glitches" happen..

Why we aren't using a more modern approach to voting (and likely making it even EASIER) by potentially leveraging block chain technologies... which would allow individuals to vote securely online! And it would be immediate... we wouldn't be doing the whole "waiting for such and such county to report"... etc... but what do I know. Im just an apparent racist, nazi loving, election denier conservative.

Yep, and we're woke, unpatriotic, bleeding heart snowflakes.

(12-29-2022 11:27 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 11:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 11:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:29 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 09:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Guess I should take my lumps bringing my conservative self to the liberal playground.

Carry on.

It's a shame the meanings of those words have changed so much.

Liberal used to mean socially progressive, pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ & nationalized health care.

Conservative used to mean limited government, cut taxes, pro-life, & military might throughout the world.

Now, Conservative means conspiracy theories, alternative facts, don't accept election results, Team Putin, & White Nationalism.

I think you are talking more in terms of far right and far left... I never argued election results - but i did argue that we might want to create a more transparent and secure election going forward... I don't believe in white nationalism... I have always believed that Putin like most other Russian leaders is just a figure head for the oligarchs who use their influence to guide the Russian agenda. You would have to be specific about "alternative" facts... if you are talking Covid and the idea that the vaccine was fully safe and the only way to get beyond the pandemic... sure I may disagree there...

Lumping all Conservatives into that black box is just ignorant and being divisive in an effort to virtue signal makes you just as much of the problem as the problem you put on anyone not in line with your political belief system.

The oligarchs don't have any real power without Putin. The oligarchs had no reason to start a war in Ukraine, and they've lost a lot as a result. But they can't stop the war.

There's also no reason to believe the election wasn't secure. Making it harder for certain people to vote doesn't make the election more secure or transparent.

I dont think making it harder for people to vote is the solution. However our national elections use all sorts of different technologies and even in these last elections there were failures and malfunctions. Who knows how many votes for either side are lost when these type of "glitches" happen..

Why we aren't using a more modern approach to voting (and likely making it even EASIER) by potentially leveraging block chain technologies... which would allow individuals to vote securely online! And it would be immediate... we wouldn't be doing the whole "waiting for such and such county to report"... etc... but what do I know. Im just an apparent racist, nazi loving, election denier conservative.

Chris Krebs, a Trump appointee, said the 2020 Election was the most secure election we ever had. So, I'm confused on why so many people think we are having unsecure elections. Propaganda perhaps?

I do agree with you that we should make voting easier. It should either happen on a weekend or a national holiday. Michigan voted to allow every Michigander to vote through the mail. This now occurs in Michigan, Colorado, Washington State, and other places with very little evidence of voter fraud. More states should adopt these policies.

I'm not sure I want voting to go online. That seems like a hacker's dream & we need the paper copies for evidence when Donald Trump, Kari Lake, and others claim voter fraud for no reason.

(12-27-2022 07:06 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Kidnap plot was basically a radical group who had no “real” intention or capability to do anything.

Add some FBI operatives to convince them they were hot sauce…

Idiot radicals get fired up and put an actual plan together…. In front of FBI agents….

Get busted planning.

Go to jail.

Anyone else wondering why the FBI is instigating homegrown terrorism to immediately take the win? Seems odd to me. These idiots were just fodder for a bigger psychological operation pointed at the general public.

Whitmer was never in actual danger.

I'd feel pretty stupid if I threw my life down the toilet for Dump and the GQP over having to wear a face mask during the most difficult days of a one in a generation pandemic. But then again, Fox and Croft are pretty stupid and parasites on society so they get absolutely what they deserve.

(12-27-2022 08:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Anyone watching how much tax payer money is going to Ukraine? Not military equipment…. MONEY. And now that Russia wants to start taking about truce. Well…. We still sending those dollars?

Link to the part about Russia wanting to start talking truce? Amazing how GQP conservatives are willing to back the fascist white supremacist party that violates international sovereignty by waging cruel imperialists wars.

I think we're up to $100b in money for Ukraine, anyway. Money well spent and a drop in the bucket for yearly federal spending.

(12-29-2022 09:26 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 08:41 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Anyone watching how much tax payer money is going to Ukraine? Not military equipment…. MONEY. And now that Russia wants to start taking about truce. Well…. We still sending those dollars?

Link to the part about Russia wanting to start talking truce? Amazing how GQP conservatives are willing to back the fascist white supremacist party that violates international sovereignty by waging cruel imperialists wars.

I think we're up to $100b in money for Ukraine, anyway. Money well spent and a drop in the bucket for yearly federal spending.

I believe it's about half that number actually, and the vast majority is in the form of military and humanitarian aid packages, not a "blank check" like some far right conspiracists would have you believe.

The US is offloading outdated equipment that is being phased out anyway, and Ukraine desperately needs equipment. A perfect match. And Ukraine is using that equipment to bring one of the United States' chief geopolitical foes to its knees. That's a win-win-win.

And it's being done without putting a single American service-member in danger. So a win-win-win-win. Oh, and for a fraction of the cost of our annual military budget...is that pentuple win??

This administration is putting on a masterclass in international relations and geopolitics. Never thought I'd say that. Russia neutered, NATO solidified and expanded, message sent to China in case they get uppity about Taiwan. All in a day's work!

(12-29-2022 10:23 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I believe it's about half that number actually, and the vast majority is in the form of military and humanitarian aid packages, not a "blank check" like some far right conspiracists would have you believe.

The US is offloading outdated equipment that is being phased out anyway, and Ukraine desperately needs equipment. A perfect match. And Ukraine is using that equipment to bring one of the United States' chief geopolitical foes to its knees. That's a win-win-win.

And it's being done without putting a single American service-member in danger. So a win-win-win-win. Oh, and for a fraction of the cost of our annual military budget...is that pentuple win??

This administration is putting on a masterclass in international relations and geopolitics. Never thought I'd say that. Russia neutered, NATO solidified and expanded, message sent to China in case they get uppity about Taiwan. All in a day's work!

Well said

(12-30-2022 12:04 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 10:23 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I believe it's about half that number actually, and the vast majority is in the form of military and humanitarian aid packages, not a "blank check" like some far right conspiracists would have you believe.

The US is offloading outdated equipment that is being phased out anyway, and Ukraine desperately needs equipment. A perfect match. And Ukraine is using that equipment to bring one of the United States' chief geopolitical foes to its knees. That's a win-win-win.

And it's being done without putting a single American service-member in danger. So a win-win-win-win. Oh, and for a fraction of the cost of our annual military budget...is that pentuple win??

This administration is putting on a masterclass in international relations and geopolitics. Never thought I'd say that. Russia neutered, NATO solidified and expanded, message sent to China in case they get uppity about Taiwan. All in a day's work!

Well said

Ditto

(12-30-2022 12:04 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(12-29-2022 10:23 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I believe it's about half that number actually, and the vast majority is in the form of military and humanitarian aid packages, not a "blank check" like some far right conspiracists would have you believe.

The US is offloading outdated equipment that is being phased out anyway, and Ukraine desperately needs equipment. A perfect match. And Ukraine is using that equipment to bring one of the United States' chief geopolitical foes to its knees. That's a win-win-win.

And it's being done without putting a single American service-member in danger. So a win-win-win-win. Oh, and for a fraction of the cost of our annual military budget...is that pentuple win??

This administration is putting on a masterclass in international relations and geopolitics. Never thought I'd say that. Russia neutered, NATO solidified and expanded, message sent to China in case they get uppity about Taiwan. All in a day's work!

Well said

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