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Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

Yeah something definitely happened. It wasn’t just “his back was hurting and he decided last minute he had to retire to have surgery” story that got pushed on here. He did it the way he did on purpose.

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

If this is the case, this is a terrible way to deal with it. So you leave your assistants to deal with it? I think he was ready to move on and wanted to leave with such a short notice that we had no choice but to give his hand picked successor a shot. While many are upset at that, I’m not upset nor surprised. I think Clark earned that much. We are not required to hire Vincent long term, but can if he proves himself.

(09-19-2022 07:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

If this is the case, this is a terrible way to deal with it. So you leave your assistants to deal with it? I think he was ready to move on and wanted to leave with such a short notice that we had no choice but to give his hand picked successor a shot. While many are upset at that, I’m not upset nor surprised. I think Clark earned that much. We are not required to hire Vincent long term, but can if he proves himself.

I'm not angry about it but I am disappointed. I don't think Bill Clark, or anyone else, earns the right to be disingenuous. It was never all about his back as portrayed by the media and some of his supporters. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Call me old fashioned I guess but I think honesty is still the best policy. From the hiring of Neal Callaway to the shutdown, UAB football was plagued by backroom deals and secretive machinations. I hoped that out of that era of debacle we had progressed to a more transparent and forthright one but it doesn't appear so. Now we're back to rumor and innuendos like those concerning our AD. I don't see all this as positive for our athletic program.

(09-19-2022 08:25 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 07:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

If this is the case, this is a terrible way to deal with it. So you leave your assistants to deal with it? I think he was ready to move on and wanted to leave with such a short notice that we had no choice but to give his hand picked successor a shot. While many are upset at that, I’m not upset nor surprised. I think Clark earned that much. We are not required to hire Vincent long term, but can if he proves himself.

I'm not angry about it but I am disappointed. I don't think Bill Clark, or anyone else, earns the right to be disingenuous. It was never all about his back as portrayed by the media and some of his supporters. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Call me old fashioned I guess but I think honesty is still the best policy. From the hiring of Neal Callaway to the shutdown, UAB football was plagued by backroom deals and secretive machinations. I hoped that out of that era of debacle we had progressed to a more transparent and forthright one but it doesn't appear so. Now we're back to rumor and innuendos like those concerning our AD. I don't see all this as positive for our athletic program.

I’m not saying what he did was right, however none of us believe that had he done it the right way and retired in December and asked that Vincent be given a shot that Ingram would have obliged. Heck many fans, myself included, were not big fans of him as OC. If something is going on with AD and no one is speaking up, we deserve what we get, because we were there before.

(09-19-2022 08:42 PM)ICB Wrote:  If something is going on with AD and no one is speaking up, we deserve what we get, because we were there before.

Every time the action has moved behind closed doors, we've lost. Every. Time.

On-campus stadium fiasco. Neil Callaway. Black Friday. The screwing of Pat Sullivan. The Cuervo Ball.

It's fun to play, "I've got a secret." But roaches loathe sunlight. Without Tristan Henderson on video, we'd be talking about volleyball, as someone noted up above.

(09-19-2022 09:47 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 08:42 PM)ICB Wrote:  If something is going on with AD and no one is speaking up, we deserve what we get, because we were there before.

Every time the action has moved behind closed doors, we've lost. Every. Time.

On-campus stadium fiasco. Neil Callaway. Black Friday. The screwing of Pat Sullivan. The Cuervo Ball.

It's fun to play, "I've got a secret." But roaches loathe sunlight. Without Tristan Henderson on video, we'd be talking about volleyball, as someone noted up above.

That's exactly my point. As a program and a community, we need honesty and transparency. Not only from the administration but from our coaches, players, and supporters. Enough with the political games, "power plays", and innuendos. Two wrongs don't make a right and the ends do not justify the means. This whole episode has cast a pall of uncertainty over our program at a very inopportune time.

(09-19-2022 08:42 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 08:25 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 07:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

If this is the case, this is a terrible way to deal with it. So you leave your assistants to deal with it? I think he was ready to move on and wanted to leave with such a short notice that we had no choice but to give his hand picked successor a shot. While many are upset at that, I’m not upset nor surprised. I think Clark earned that much. We are not required to hire Vincent long term, but can if he proves himself.

I'm not angry about it but I am disappointed. I don't think Bill Clark, or anyone else, earns the right to be disingenuous. It was never all about his back as portrayed by the media and some of his supporters. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Call me old fashioned I guess but I think honesty is still the best policy. From the hiring of Neal Callaway to the shutdown, UAB football was plagued by backroom deals and secretive machinations. I hoped that out of that era of debacle we had progressed to a more transparent and forthright one but it doesn't appear so. Now we're back to rumor and innuendos like those concerning our AD. I don't see all this as positive for our athletic program.

I’m not saying what he did was right, however none of us believe that had he done it the right way and retired in December and asked that Vincent be given a shot that Ingram would have obliged. Heck many fans, myself included, were not big fans of him as OC. If something is going on with AD and no one is speaking up, we deserve what we get, because we were there before.

Ingram wouldn’t have obliged, and shouldn’t have. That’s the issue people have with the way this went down. A majority of the board was calling for his head as OC this off-season, and then he was randomly thrust upon us as HC at the last minute. I love Clark and everything he did for UAB, but I hate the way he exited.

we were thinking that clark was making the play calling and stay conservative but it seem tha t it was Vincent stamp on the play calling
We won a game that I didnt expect to win after the Liberty debacle ,,,our qb is not 100 %
The clark resignation is very strange and something is not right with the whole pictures ..we will know someday ,,,maybe

Vincent was just running the offense that Clark wanted. He has never had to adapt or change; thus, we get the exact same offense this year.

Hopkins doesn't look nearly as good as last year. Hopefully he is getting into rhythm and gets better as the year goes on. If not, we are extremely once dimensional, and will lose at least 2 games we shouldn't because teams will stop the run eventually.

The play calling is predictable (but better against GSU), the red zone play calling and success rate has been bad, the time out usage and clock management at the end of halves is bad (as it was under Clark). Our kicking game is suddenly a huge question mark too. With Hopkins and the passing game looking significantly worse than last year, I think that spells 2-3 more losses for us. If he, and the passing game, improve, then we COULD win every game on our schedule. Our defense and running game are really good. That should be enough to win most games on our schedule, but the coaching issues and being so one dimensional could bite us.

The Clark retirement was not at all like how it was sold to us on this board. He knew he needed surgery, chose to wait to the last minute to give his guy a chance he otherwise wouldn't get. I am super thankful to Coach Clark for the wins, turning the program around, and helping save the program. But the way he left tarnishes his legacy a good bit for me.

(09-20-2022 12:08 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 08:42 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 08:25 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 07:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

If this is the case, this is a terrible way to deal with it. So you leave your assistants to deal with it? I think he was ready to move on and wanted to leave with such a short notice that we had no choice but to give his hand picked successor a shot. While many are upset at that, I’m not upset nor surprised. I think Clark earned that much. We are not required to hire Vincent long term, but can if he proves himself.

I'm not angry about it but I am disappointed. I don't think Bill Clark, or anyone else, earns the right to be disingenuous. It was never all about his back as portrayed by the media and some of his supporters. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Call me old fashioned I guess but I think honesty is still the best policy. From the hiring of Neal Callaway to the shutdown, UAB football was plagued by backroom deals and secretive machinations. I hoped that out of that era of debacle we had progressed to a more transparent and forthright one but it doesn't appear so. Now we're back to rumor and innuendos like those concerning our AD. I don't see all this as positive for our athletic program.

I’m not saying what he did was right, however none of us believe that had he done it the right way and retired in December and asked that Vincent be given a shot that Ingram would have obliged. Heck many fans, myself included, were not big fans of him as OC. If something is going on with AD and no one is speaking up, we deserve what we get, because we were there before.

Ingram wouldn’t have obliged, and shouldn’t have. That’s the issue people have with the way this went down. A majority of the board was calling for his head as OC this off-season, and then he was randomly thrust upon us as HC at the last minute. I love Clark and everything he did for UAB, but I hate the way he exited.

Agreed all the way.

(09-20-2022 11:29 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Vincent was just running the offense that Clark wanted. He has never had to adapt or change; thus, we get the exact same offense this year.

Hopkins doesn't look nearly as good as last year. Hopefully he is getting into rhythm and gets better as the year goes on. If not, we are extremely once dimensional, and will lose at least 2 games we shouldn't because teams will stop the run eventually.

The play calling is predictable (but better against GSU), the red zone play calling and success rate has been bad, the time out usage and clock management at the end of halves is bad (as it was under Clark). Our kicking game is suddenly a huge question mark too. With Hopkins and the passing game looking significantly worse than last year, I think that spells 2-3 more losses for us. If he, and the passing game, improve, then we COULD win every game on our schedule. Our defense and running game are really good. That should be enough to win most games on our schedule, but the coaching issues and being so one dimensional could bite us.

The Clark retirement was not at all like how it was sold to us on this board. He knew he needed surgery, chose to wait to the last minute to give his guy a chance he otherwise wouldn't get. I am super thankful to Coach Clark for the wins, turning the program around, and helping save the program. But the way he left tarnishes his legacy a good bit for me.

Great post ,

(09-19-2022 04:31 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

Yeah something definitely happened. It wasn’t just “his back was hurting and he decided last minute he had to retire to have surgery” story that got pushed on here. He did it the way he did on purpose.

I am telling you, it is something with the AD. I don't know WHAT it was with the AD but that is where the smoke is. I do think once Clark's contract is up, it will be revealed.

(09-19-2022 09:47 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 08:42 PM)ICB Wrote:  If something is going on with AD and no one is speaking up, we deserve what we get, because we were there before.

Every time the action has moved behind closed doors, we've lost. Every. Time.

On-campus stadium fiasco. Neil Callaway. Black Friday. The screwing of Pat Sullivan. The Cuervo Ball.

It's fun to play, "I've got a secret." But roaches loathe sunlight. Without Tristan Henderson on video, we'd be talking about volleyball, as someone noted up above.

I dont remember this one?

(09-21-2022 03:27 PM)jaymay2525 Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 04:31 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 01:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Something happened. I don't know what it was but something occurred either immediately before the announcement or an accumulation of slights occurred. At some point the job isn't worth it and we've all been there. I suspect the completely flawed administrative structure in the UA system had a role in this (I'm trying to be diplomatic).

Yeah something definitely happened. It wasn’t just “his back was hurting and he decided last minute he had to retire to have surgery” story that got pushed on here. He did it the way he did on purpose.

I am telling you, it is something with the AD. I don't know WHAT it was with the AD but that is where the smoke is. I do think once Clark's contract is up, it will be revealed.

I thought he was already retired?

he is, but still under contract till the contract fully expires which is early next year I think

(09-21-2022 04:22 PM)jaymay2525 Wrote:  he is, but still under contract till the contract fully expires which is early next year I think

The last contract he signed was through 2024. And if there is something going on and it won't come out until 2024, it may be of little help at that time. He is no longer being paid by the university.

I am pretty sure it is early 2023, maybe it was negotiated down

https://uabsports.com/news/2018/11/30/fo...roval.aspx

Why would he have to negotiate it to retire? What does a contract mean if he is no longer being paid? NDA? This doesn’t make sense.