(09-13-2022 10:05 AM)b2b Wrote:  Regardless of the reason 18K vs a P5 and coming off an 8 win season is an abject embarrassment. Why do you need flyers to let students know there is a game? That's something that just IS a known in college... Or at least I thought it was.

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Every place is different. It'll take constant marketing and creativity to give the students and alums reasons to pack our stadium. There's no room for complacency. In a city like Atlanta, new relevant events are happening at thousands of venues at any given time. People constantly look for "the next new thing" every weekend and their attention spans are brief before seeking thrills elsewhere, especially your typical Gen Z college students in GSU. For example, our first football game was a "cool" place to be. Didn't matter we hosted some no-name DII school. 30k+ showed up out of nowhere, and they can show up again. Market the games and be creative in generating hype every week, the stadium can be packed.

"I shouldn't have to tell you there are football games, cmon it's just a known thing" is a what Charlie Cobb would say. Maybe that mantra worked for him at his previous job as an AD at App State, but the same approach won't work in Atlanta to demand attention.

(09-13-2022 09:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 09:20 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:41 AM)b2b Wrote:  What's Charlie got to do with fans showing up? The football team seems to be on the right track.

because Charlie doesn't believe in real advertising? GSU spends $1.2 billion annually. Athletics prints out A4 papers.




18k was amazing with zero effort and untapped potential.

Nevermind the advertising, how good is Jimmy's tutoring service?

math, chemistry, AND physics? what a guy.

(09-14-2022 06:29 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 09:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 09:20 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 10:41 AM)b2b Wrote:  What's Charlie got to do with fans showing up? The football team seems to be on the right track.

because Charlie doesn't believe in real advertising? GSU spends $1.2 billion annually. Athletics prints out A4 papers.




18k was amazing with zero effort and untapped potential.

Nevermind the advertising, how good is Jimmy's tutoring service?

math, chemistry, AND physics? what a guy.

Is "Tutoring" code for "Gigalo"?

(09-13-2022 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:09 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 10:18 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 10:05 AM)b2b Wrote:  Regardless of the reason 18K vs a P5 and coming off an 8 win season is an abject embarrassment. Why do you need flyers to let students know there is a game? That's something that just IS a known in college... Or at least I thought it was.

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Where to start....

Nobody knows or cares that the games are going on because you don't make them know or care...


It takes effort and this AD ain't gonna put in effort. From a student or fan perspective why would you go out of your way to go to a GSU game when local P5s make their experience seem so much cooler through engagement and advertising?



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Also makes sense with GSU being such a young program and even newer to actually winning. Everyone in and around their towns is used to ECU, App State, Marshall, JMU football existing and being something worth paying attention to so extra advertising can help but if UNC comes to town the advertising really isn't needed.

In a city of 6.5M? Yeah you have to say your playing UNC. Nobody outside of UNC alumni is just gonna know that.

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Wait, are we debating if it was dumb/smart/necessary/unnecessary to advertise your games? HELL YES you advertise. And if you don’t feel you really need to to sell tickets, do it anyway to promote the fact you have a big opponent in town.

Georgia played Samford last week. Georgia Tech played Western Carolina. *yawn* UNC would peak interest. They’re certainly a more compelling team visiting the area! If nothing else, buy billboards, bus bench and internet ads to brag about who you’ve got coming into town. Get the casual fans there and give them a good experience…maybe they come back!

Any time App State is hosting a compelling power 5 I want everyone in the state to know it. I want billboards from Wilmington to Watauga County dunking on Heel, Pack, and Pirate.

(09-13-2022 09:42 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 09:59 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 11:56 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  I think a lot of people don't think Charlotte put the work in. CUSA essentially gave them a seat at the table before they even had a team. And being suddenly put into a FBS conference over multiple other programs was seen as unearned. In reality they're probably North Carolina's answer to Kennesaw State. Maybe if they had spent a decade in the FCS building up a resume in the SoCon or Big South, get some wins, get some titles and then move up after they had established something they wouldn't get all the grief they get.

You move up when you've conquered everything on your level. When it's obvious your stadium is packing in fans well above what your conference peers are doing, and that you're starting to outgrow your place. That's what the bulk of the SBC members did and seeing how Coastal, App, GaSo and so far JMU has done out of the gate, they're better for it.

I don't get why people think there's this one-size-fits-all plan for growing a football program where a team is "supposed" to compete at a level that people care about a lot less in order to get to the level that most people actually want to be at. (Well...other than some sense of "we did this, so everyone should have to.") When it comes to on-field performance, we're competing just fine at the moment (and that's always subject to change). Attendance is another matter, but I fail to see how we'd be better off trying to bring in crowds to watch a competitive Colonial Athletic Association race.

A fair number of CFB fans seem more concerned with policing whether or not others have "earned" their place than with enjoying the fruits of their own labors. (And hotrod, this isn't directed solely at your comment; your comments reflect a view that keeps coming up that I've never quite understood.) Seriously...as a fan of a school that did things the "wrong way," I am stating unequivocally that I would rather be in the situation we're in now than nitpicking attendance week by week while we're playing Stony Brook and Rhode Island. Why should fans of any other school care? (Cue the "bringing down the conference" responses...that's a completely separate issue...)

Because it's frustrating when you have a program that's busted its rear for years establishing itself and then gets passed over by some upstart that struggles against FCS teams. It's not a one size fits all mentality, but if you're in the FBS, you shouldn't be losing games against William & Mary nor should the Furman Paladins have a better average attendance than you.

Georgia State had it a little different than Charlotte. When you came into the Sun Belt, it was the bottom-tier conference, at the time CUSA was a vastly superior conference in the eyes of a lot of people and that was clear when half the membership jumped ship to it. You had your lousy years but you turned the corner, found an identity, got some bowl wins, knocked off Tennessee and are kind of in the middle of the standings with a few good players away from making headway. You also were saddled with the impossible situation of playing games in the Georgia Dome so even if you had 30k strong in there the place still looked empty. The new stadium helps out with that I think although I wish the broadcasts wouldn't focus on the old Turner Field upper deck so much. GSU put in the work, and as you said you took your lumps and it's paid off several seasons later.

App fans also got a lot of BS out of the 49ers camp when they got the CUSA call up. They thought they'd be taking away our recruits, our market, and exposure with little to show for it other than they happened to be located on the far eastern side of a major American city.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I think that if you're supposed to be in an elite division, you've earned your spot there based on some sort of qualifying merit. Whether it's history, accomplishments, fan base or something tangible that adds value to the conference by being there.

Rutgers got into the Big 10, UCLA too. The machinations of conference alignment have decoupled from merit.

The UNCC fans got their comeuppance when their delusion did not match reality. Its still our market, they haven't supplanted us and joining a weakened AAC doesn't make them any closer.

I like the SBC. We're full of hungry Unis that don't have the built in "a lot of people live in proximity to our campus" (except for 1 notable exception, maybe two if you include a certain Virginian school) sense of entitlement. Everything gained is through the blood sweat and tears of the programs and results on the field/court if those results ever come lol.

Theres nothing wrong with "promotion on potential", but its a much more enjoyable experience to gain acclaim through victories rather than gain "promotion" while finishing in the bottom half of conference play in both football and basketball.

(09-13-2022 05:47 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 09:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

while you guys lose to MAC teams and FCS.

TXST did both of those 2 things last season. IN BACK TO BACK GAMES. Please explain to me how TXST is any better of a fit for the SBC than Charlotte is for AAC? Or how TXST is any better fit for the SBC than Charlotte would have been?

5 of the last 7 seasons Charlotte has had a better winning percentage than TXST plus a bowl game and a win over Marshall in 2019. Struggling to find TXST's identity other than having money (3rd highest endowment in SBC partially only because USA has restricted access to the entire state university system of Alabama), by far the highest enrollment (untapped potential) other than GSU (which is attributed to a bunch of inner city PT students and online programs) and a dormant fanbase that will show up with wins and named opponents...

(09-14-2022 09:28 AM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 05:47 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 09:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

while you guys lose to MAC teams and FCS.

TXST did both of those 2 things last season. IN BACK TO BACK GAMES. Please explain to me how TXST is any better of a fit for the SBC than Charlotte is for AAC? Or how TXST is any better fit for the SBC than Charlotte would have been?

5 of the last 7 seasons Charlotte has had a better winning percentage than TXST plus a bowl game and a win over Marshall in 2019. Struggling to find TXST's identity other than having money (3rd highest endowment in SBC partially only because USA has restricted access to the entire state university system of Alabama), by far the highest enrollment (untapped potential) other than GSU (which is attributed to a bunch of inner city PT students and online programs) and a dormant fanbase that will show up with wins and named opponents...

1. You’re already in the SBC, was here before App State, and we aren’t going to kick you out.
2. Playing in a good football conference like the SBC should help.
3. Hoping you guys win more games more often - just not against App. But feel free to beat Louisiana or Georgia Southern whenever you can.

I hope Texas State gets it together in football, but no matter what they do in football they're still a positive for basketball in a conference that desperately needs to improve basketball.

(09-14-2022 06:29 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  they're still a positive for basketball in a conference that desperately needs to improve basketball.

Competitive in mid major play the last 4 seasons, sure but also a 1 and done in said conference tournament that needs improvement in back to back seasons. Last NCAA tournament visit 20-25 years ago. Not exactly your NMSU or BYU mid major over time. To pull the slack for football TXST should be a March Madness bid 3/5 years and a 2nd round team every 7-8 years.

Cant help but wonder how many of those 12K were Maryland fans. Assuming most were Maryland fans, that is pretty much how it was when we played in the Mac. With the exception of some of the better programs in the Mac such as Toledo and Ohio, it was like being the home team at some of those away games.