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(09-06-2022 09:44 PM)Purple Wrote:  Hey, it's only money.

Print more. Ask the state for a loan and then have it forgiven.

These are some of the obvious answers.
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(09-07-2022 10:08 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  Growing up in a college town (Blacksburg) and living near said college's (VT's) medical school and research center in Roanoke, I can tell you that a) new gets old really quick and b) most things are always under construction. It would not surprise me one whit to see a $10 million, 20-year-old building torn down to make room for something bigger and better. I think it's almost like the more you spend, the more they give you in Richmond. And of course, a bunch of that money would not come from the state anyway.

I’d venture to say (with some certainty) that zero $$$ will come from the Commonwealth to build any varsity athletic facility. While the General Assembly will have to approve the financing through bonds, by VA law, not a dime of general revenue (i.e. tax dollars) will underwrite the expense of expanding BFS.

It will be a combo of private donations and bonds paid back through revenue generated by football income that will pay for the whole thing. CK was a master at getting those kinds of packages approved by the General Assembly, yet his previous wheeling and dealing was all done pre-Cox Bill and FBS restrictions. The Cox Bill is not an insurmountable hurdle, but it’s definitely no small issue. CK is still in the background (as a special legislative consultant), however, it’s difficult to believe something specific and semi-firm regarding BFS expansion is being discussed at this time.
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Throw some dorm rooms in there and a couple classrooms...
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(09-07-2022 10:13 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Throw some dorm rooms in there and a couple classrooms...

The JSU plan ... they scaled it back to a dining hall due to cost

https://news.yahoo.com/jsu-downsizes-hig...00369.html
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Right...too bad for JSU,but sounds like they are pivoting nicely. Another negative for CUSA tho...19k stadium

Very cool they are making a dedicated space for band practice... speaking of which, where does our gang of 500 practice if it's raining??
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(09-07-2022 11:22 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Right...too bad for JSU,but sounds like they are pivoting nicely. Another negative for CUSA tho...19k stadium

Very cool they are making a dedicated space for band practice... speaking of which, where does our gang of 500 practice if it's raining??

In the rain. Suck it up, buttercup!
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Haha... but what about the children??? (Instruments)
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(09-07-2022 10:13 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Throw some dorm rooms in there and a couple classrooms...

Dorms are also auxiliary enterprises, and are not built with Commonwealth general revenues.

Classrooms would qualify, but would only receive funding if there was a documented need based on a calculated formula of sq. footage vs. enrollment usage. JMU would not qualify. Nice try though.
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(09-07-2022 10:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 10:13 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Throw some dorm rooms in there and a couple classrooms...

The JSU plan ... they scaled it back to a dining hall due to cost

https://news.yahoo.com/jsu-downsizes-hig...00369.html

Dining…food service…is also an auxiliary enterprise, and would receive zero tax dollars to build from the Commonwealth.

If you are curious, you can basically break down the budget and funding for JMU into two lumps of $$$. 1) Education/Instruction and 2) Room & Board and Extracurricular Activities.

Any budgeted expense associated with #1 receive tax dollars and tuition $$$. Salaries for faculty and administration, classrooms, libraries and their staff, etc. fall into this side of the ledger.

Items from #2 receive no tax dollars and are self-supported through student fees and/or charges for use. Parking (and the building of garages), athletic facilities, dining/food service, even maintenance within a department’s building, are expenses recovered or charged-back to the user.

It’s really quite simple, but the idea that the university budget (at least in Virginia) is based on one big, fungible pot of money is not true. The money dedicated to the educational mission and the money used to support auxiliary enterprises are not fungible, and to use funds from one source to support the other would result in a scandal and felony charges.

This separation in how funding for university operations is structured isn’t new, and it’s the basis for how Dr. Carrier was able to initiate and/or expand the men’s athletic programs at JMU. Funding for football and the MRDs were started with students fees (and are still supported by them), along with revenues from the Duke Club, etc. The Convo was such a mish-mash and terrible design because Carrier sold it to the General Assembly as an educational facility to get funding, then after getting the money and authorization, switched its design to support basketball.

But time moves on. The days of Dr. Carrier draining a few bottles of bourbon with legislators and getting a bag of money to do with as he pleased is long over. Thank the digital world we live in (university expenditures at each level is almost instantly encumbered now). There is no “fudge-factor” in the planned spending of money. Which is all to the good. Finances are squeaky-clean, however, we all miss Dr. Carrier’s “wheeling and dealing” and making things up as he went. Well, most of us do. 04-cheers
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Squeaky clean is good....allocations are nothing new.
That's wild that room and board are not part of #1 in VA.

Can you expand on this? Curious how we do add new classrooms...has to be enrollment growth first?

" calculated formula of sq. footage vs. enrollment usage"
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(09-08-2022 05:34 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 10:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 10:13 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Throw some dorm rooms in there and a couple classrooms...

The JSU plan ... they scaled it back to a dining hall due to cost

https://news.yahoo.com/jsu-downsizes-hig...00369.html

Dining…food service…is also an auxiliary enterprise, and would receive zero tax dollars to build from the Commonwealth.

If you are curious, you can basically break down the budget and funding for JMU into two lumps of $$$. 1) Education/Instruction and 2) Room & Board and Extracurricular Activities.

Any budgeted expense associated with #1 receive tax dollars and tuition $$$. Salaries for faculty and administration, classrooms, libraries and their staff, etc. fall into this side of the ledger.

Items from #2 receive no tax dollars and are self-supported through student fees and/or charges for use. Parking (and the building of garages), athletic facilities, dining/food service, even maintenance within a department’s building, are expenses recovered or charged-back to the user.

It’s really quite simple, but the idea that the university budget (at least in Virginia) is based on one big, fungible pot of money is not true. The money dedicated to the educational mission and the money used to support auxiliary enterprises are not fungible, and to use funds from one source to support the other would result in a scandal and felony charges.

This separation in how funding for university operations is structured isn’t new, and it’s the basis for how Dr. Carrier was able to initiate and/or expand the men’s athletic programs at JMU. Funding for football and the MRDs were started with students fees (and are still supported by them), along with revenues from the Duke Club, etc. The Convo was such a mish-mash and terrible design because Carrier sold it to the General Assembly as an educational facility to get funding, then after getting the money and authorization, switched its design to support basketball.

But time moves on. The days of Dr. Carrier draining a few bottles of bourbon with legislators and getting a bag of money to do with as he pleased is long over. Thank the digital world we live in (university expenditures at each level is almost instantly encumbered now). There is no “fudge-factor” in the planned spending of money. Which is all to the good. Finances are squeaky-clean, however, we all miss Dr. Carrier’s “wheeling and dealing” and making things up as he went. Well, most of us do. 04-cheers
So true Longhorn as a JMU retiree I've seen the budgets for buildings, iee.... dorms, stadiums, parking decks etc. They all have to be paid for by someone other than tax payers. But if we do really well in SunBelt sports I wouldn't doubt we see donors anti-up for bigger and better sports facilitys.
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(09-08-2022 09:38 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 05:34 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 10:51 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 10:13 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Throw some dorm rooms in there and a couple classrooms...

The JSU plan ... they scaled it back to a dining hall due to cost

https://news.yahoo.com/jsu-downsizes-hig...00369.html

Dining…food service…is also an auxiliary enterprise, and would receive zero tax dollars to build from the Commonwealth.

If you are curious, you can basically break down the budget and funding for JMU into two lumps of $$$. 1) Education/Instruction and 2) Room & Board and Extracurricular Activities.

Any budgeted expense associated with #1 receive tax dollars and tuition $$$. Salaries for faculty and administration, classrooms, libraries and their staff, etc. fall into this side of the ledger.

Items from #2 receive no tax dollars and are self-supported through student fees and/or charges for use. Parking (and the building of garages), athletic facilities, dining/food service, even maintenance within a department’s building, are expenses recovered or charged-back to the user.

It’s really quite simple, but the idea that the university budget (at least in Virginia) is based on one big, fungible pot of money is not true. The money dedicated to the educational mission and the money used to support auxiliary enterprises are not fungible, and to use funds from one source to support the other would result in a scandal and felony charges.

This separation in how funding for university operations is structured isn’t new, and it’s the basis for how Dr. Carrier was able to initiate and/or expand the men’s athletic programs at JMU. Funding for football and the MRDs were started with students fees (and are still supported by them), along with revenues from the Duke Club, etc. The Convo was such a mish-mash and terrible design because Carrier sold it to the General Assembly as an educational facility to get funding, then after getting the money and authorization, switched its design to support basketball.

But time moves on. The days of Dr. Carrier draining a few bottles of bourbon with legislators and getting a bag of money to do with as he pleased is long over. Thank the digital world we live in (university expenditures at each level is almost instantly encumbered now). There is no “fudge-factor” in the planned spending of money. Which is all to the good. Finances are squeaky-clean, however, we all miss Dr. Carrier’s “wheeling and dealing” and making things up as he went. Well, most of us do. 04-cheers
So true Longhorn as a JMU retiree I've seen the budgets for buildings, iee.... dorms, stadiums, parking decks etc. They all have to be paid for by someone other than tax payers. But if we do really well in SunBelt sports I wouldn't doubt we see donors anti-up for bigger and better sports facilitys.


That’s the hope! Plan is to win and see if the folks with deep(er) pockets open them!
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(09-08-2022 08:45 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Squeaky clean is good....allocations are nothing new.
That's wild that room and board are not part of #1 in VA.

Can you expand on this? Curious how we do add new classrooms...has to be enrollment growth first?

" calculated formula of sq. footage vs. enrollment usage"

There is a standard, state-wide formula based on room usage and sq. footage vs. enrollment. The formula has different classifications that attempt to accommodate specialized spaces like labs, studios, practice rooms, etc. (acknowledging that not all “classrooms” or instructional space is the same thing, or used in the same way). When enrollment grows (as it has at JMU), and the formula suggests additional instructional space is warranted, an institution can go to the General Assembly and expect the legislators will listen. It doesn’t necessarily mean the legislator’s will act or approve the request, but a justification for the “ask” can be made.

Age of a facility and its functional lifespan can also be part of making a request. The demolition of D hall was an example of a facility being past its functional life span, plus needing to serve a larger enrollment. Same for Phillips Hall. Most of the time, the legislative parties are more interested (or willing) to fund renovations (as was the case with Wilson Hall, which is now home to the History program, or Duke Hall, home to the School of Art). A focus on “renovation” (and a Dean with no vision) held-up the effort to build the Forbes Center for the Arts. Eventually, the documented needs for a new home for Theatre and Dance, and performance spaces for Music were ready and waiting when the General Assembly presented a $900+ million bond package to build university facilities to Virginia voters. That bond referendum was passed with a 56%+ plurality state-wide (although it lost in Rockingham and Augusta counties), and JMU received nearly $100 million to build the Forbes Center and other academic projects on campus. The Forbes Ctr. planning was based on meeting academic needs, which was a 180 degree change from Carrier’s original vision, which was to be something akin of the Patriot Ctr. On GMU’s campus, which is used as a venue to host traveling road-shows. Scheduling at the Forbes is 100% under the control of the JMU academic fine art programs and the College of Visual and Perfoming Arts.

Building the new addition to the COB wasn’t the beneficiary of a state-wide bond referendum, so had to weave the long way through the legislature process. It also involved an institutional promise/commitment to share part of the cost via fund-raising.

Which partially answers the last part of your question…demonstrated need through enrollment needs does generally come first, but not always.

The original funding for CISAT (College of Integrated Science and Technology) was a magic act created by Ron Carrier. He was proposing a glitzy vision of a new way of teaching science and tech to meet the needs of a 21st c. Virginia, and the General Assembly bought it hook-line and sinker. What Ron really wanted was an engineering program, but SCHEV would not approve that idea believing it too duplicative of existing programs at VT, etc. So, CISAT was birthed and funded. For a number of years CISAT was the only major new construction on VA public campuses.

Building the “Rose” library was a tax paid for building. Most of the other buildings near it, like the alumni center and dorms are not.

Couple of last thoughts. The building and renovations/expansions of academic buildings at JMU has been rapid because there was a HUGE pent-up need for instructional space. Most of the need was based on enrollment growth. Around 1996-97 instructional space was so limited JMU was in the process of adopting a computer scheduling model that I equated to squeezing the last drop out of a tooth-paste tube. It was a very difficult time. It was also the time period as Carrier was transitioning out, and LR was getting his feet on the ground.

LR spent a good portion of his 14 years as President correcting Carrier’s building mistakes, dealing with a rapidly growing undergraduate population, establishing a modern administrative reporting structure, and developing a strategic planning process and master plan for the campus and institution as a whole. Hence, Alger inherited a much stronger base on which to build, and has been effective in taking the institution to another level. No doubt Alger benefitted the most by inheriting CK (a LR hire) as his Senior VP of Administration.

The biggest variation on this theme of how auxiliary buildings are funded is the acquisition of the old hospital, which is now the “Student” center, admissions, Graduate School, etc. There’s little doubt in my mind Sentara was an ally in getting the Assembly to pony up $40 million to buy the old hospital property for JMU. Sentara used the money to build their new hospital campus in the county, and JMU received much needed space for the university. Then funds for renovations etc. came into play to complete the integration of the hospital properties for university use.

There are a few academic projects yet to be built, but the pace and scale of these projects will be smaller (Carrier Library excluded). Front campus may see construction on the corner of Grace and Main Street (the site of the existing Anthony-Seeger which will be razed), and of course new or replacement dorms. The halcyon days of JMU construction between 1995-2025 will slow….then again, about that time BFS will be ready for expansion! 04-cheers
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(09-08-2022 11:06 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 08:45 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Squeaky clean is good....allocations are nothing new.
That's wild that room and board are not part of #1 in VA.

Can you expand on this? Curious how we do add new classrooms...has to be enrollment growth first?

" calculated formula of sq. footage vs. enrollment usage"

There is a standard, state-wide formula based on room usage and sq. footage vs. enrollment. The formula has different classifications that attempt to accommodate specialized spaces like labs, studios, practice rooms, etc. (acknowledging that not all “classrooms” or instructional space is the same thing, or used in the same way). When enrollment grows (as it has at JMU), and the formula suggests additional instructional space is warranted, an institution can go to the General Assembly and expect the legislators will listen. It doesn’t necessarily mean the legislator’s will act or approve the request, but a justification for the “ask” can be made.

Age of a facility and its functional lifespan can also be part of making a request. The demolition of D hall was an example of a facility being past its functional life span, plus needing to serve a larger enrollment. Same for Phillips Hall. Most of the time, the legislative parties are more interested (or willing) to fund renovations (as was the case with Wilson Hall, which is now home to the History program, or Duke Hall, home to the School of Art). A focus on “renovation” (and a Dean with no vision) held-up the effort to build the Forbes Center for the Arts. Eventually, the documented needs for a new home for Theatre and Dance, and performance spaces for Music were ready and waiting when the General Assembly presented a $900+ billion bond package to build university facilities to Virginia voters. That bond referendum was passed with a 56%+ plurality state-wide (although it lost in Rockingham and Augusta counties), and JMU received nearly $100 million to build the Forbes Center and other academic projects on campus. The Forbes Ctr. planning was based on meeting academic needs, which was a 180 degree change from Carrier’s original vision, which was to be something akin of the Patriot Ctr. On GMU’s campus, which is used as a venue to host traveling road-shows. Scheduling at the Forbes is 100% under the control of the JMU academic fine art programs and the College of Visual and Perfoming Arts.

Building the new addition to the COB wasn’t the beneficiary of a state-wide bond referendum, so had to weave the long way through the legislature process. It also involved an institutional promise/commitment to share part of the cost via fund-raising.

Which partially answers the last part of your question…demonstrated need through enrollment needs does generally come first, but not always.

The original funding for CISAT (College of Integrated Science and Technology) was a magic act created by Ron Carrier. He was proposing a glitzy vision of a new way of teaching science and tech to meet the needs of a 21st c. Virginia, and the General Assembly bought it hook-line and sinker. What Ron really wanted was an engineering program, but SCHEV would not approve that idea believing it too duplicative of existing programs at VT, etc. So, CISAT was birthed and funded. For a number of years CISAT was the only major new construction on VA public campuses.

Building the “Rose” library was a tax paid for building. Most of the other buildings near it, like the alumni center and dorms are not.

Couple of last thoughts. The building and renovations/expansions of academic buildings at JMU has been rapid because there was a HUGE pent-up need for instructional space. Most of the need was based on enrollment growth. Around 1996-97 instructional space was so limited JMU was in the process of adopting a computer scheduling model that I equated to squeezing the last drop out of a tooth-paste tube. It was a very difficult time. It was also the time period as Carrier was transitioning out, and LR was getting his feet on the ground.

LR spent a good portion of his 14 years as President correcting Carrier’s building mistakes, dealing with a rapidly growing undergraduate population, establishing a modern administrative reporting structure, and developing a strategic planning process and master plan for the campus and institution as a whole. Hence, Alger inherited a much stronger base on which to build, and has been effective in taking the institution to another level. No doubt Alger benefitted the most by inheriting CK (a LR hire) as his Senior VP of Administration.

The biggest variation on this theme of how auxiliary buildings are funded is the acquisition of the old hospital, which is now the “Student” center, admissions, Graduate School, etc. There’s little doubt in my mind Sentara was an ally in getting the Assembly to pony up $40 million to buy the old hospital property for JMU. Sentara used the money to build their new hospital campus in the county, and JMU received much needed space for the university. Then funds for renovations etc. came into play to complete the integration of the hospital properties for university use.

There are a few academic projects yet to be built, but the pace and scale of these projects will be smaller (Carrier Library excluded). Front campus may see construction on the corner of Grace and Main Street (the site of the existing Anthony-Seeger which will be razed), and of course new or replacement dorms. The halcyon days of JMU construction between 1995-2025 will slow….then again, about that time BFS will be ready for expansion! 04-cheers

Hope that state bond was $900 million and not $900 billion.

I'm all for higher ed, roads, etc ... but nearly $1 trillion?
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very very interesting - thank you. carrier to rose to alger...the chaos has come down, and we just keep upping our game.

speaking of grace and main...i saw somewhere (probably master plan) that it will be a bluestone art museum, and bluestone instructional building (maybe art as well?)
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(09-08-2022 11:12 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 11:06 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 08:45 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Squeaky clean is good....allocations are nothing new.
That's wild that room and board are not part of #1 in VA.

Can you expand on this? Curious how we do add new classrooms...has to be enrollment growth first?

" calculated formula of sq. footage vs. enrollment usage"

There is a standard, state-wide formula based on room usage and sq. footage vs. enrollment. The formula has different classifications that attempt to accommodate specialized spaces like labs, studios, practice rooms, etc. (acknowledging that not all “classrooms” or instructional space is the same thing, or used in the same way). When enrollment grows (as it has at JMU), and the formula suggests additional instructional space is warranted, an institution can go to the General Assembly and expect the legislators will listen. It doesn’t necessarily mean the legislator’s will act or approve the request, but a justification for the “ask” can be made.

Age of a facility and its functional lifespan can also be part of making a request. The demolition of D hall was an example of a facility being past its functional life span, plus needing to serve a larger enrollment. Same for Phillips Hall. Most of the time, the legislative parties are more interested (or willing) to fund renovations (as was the case with Wilson Hall, which is now home to the History program, or Duke Hall, home to the School of Art). A focus on “renovation” (and a Dean with no vision) held-up the effort to build the Forbes Center for the Arts. Eventually, the documented needs for a new home for Theatre and Dance, and performance spaces for Music were ready and waiting when the General Assembly presented a $900+ billion bond package to build university facilities to Virginia voters. That bond referendum was passed with a 56%+ plurality state-wide (although it lost in Rockingham and Augusta counties), and JMU received nearly $100 million to build the Forbes Center and other academic projects on campus. The Forbes Ctr. planning was based on meeting academic needs, which was a 180 degree change from Carrier’s original vision, which was to be something akin of the Patriot Ctr. On GMU’s campus, which is used as a venue to host traveling road-shows. Scheduling at the Forbes is 100% under the control of the JMU academic fine art programs and the College of Visual and Perfoming Arts.

Building the new addition to the COB wasn’t the beneficiary of a state-wide bond referendum, so had to weave the long way through the legislature process. It also involved an institutional promise/commitment to share part of the cost via fund-raising.

Which partially answers the last part of your question…demonstrated need through enrollment needs does generally come first, but not always.

The original funding for CISAT (College of Integrated Science and Technology) was a magic act created by Ron Carrier. He was proposing a glitzy vision of a new way of teaching science and tech to meet the needs of a 21st c. Virginia, and the General Assembly bought it hook-line and sinker. What Ron really wanted was an engineering program, but SCHEV would not approve that idea believing it too duplicative of existing programs at VT, etc. So, CISAT was birthed and funded. For a number of years CISAT was the only major new construction on VA public campuses.

Building the “Rose” library was a tax paid for building. Most of the other buildings near it, like the alumni center and dorms are not.

Couple of last thoughts. The building and renovations/expansions of academic buildings at JMU has been rapid because there was a HUGE pent-up need for instructional space. Most of the need was based on enrollment growth. Around 1996-97 instructional space was so limited JMU was in the process of adopting a computer scheduling model that I equated to squeezing the last drop out of a tooth-paste tube. It was a very difficult time. It was also the time period as Carrier was transitioning out, and LR was getting his feet on the ground.

LR spent a good portion of his 14 years as President correcting Carrier’s building mistakes, dealing with a rapidly growing undergraduate population, establishing a modern administrative reporting structure, and developing a strategic planning process and master plan for the campus and institution as a whole. Hence, Alger inherited a much stronger base on which to build, and has been effective in taking the institution to another level. No doubt Alger benefitted the most by inheriting CK (a LR hire) as his Senior VP of Administration.

The biggest variation on this theme of how auxiliary buildings are funded is the acquisition of the old hospital, which is now the “Student” center, admissions, Graduate School, etc. There’s little doubt in my mind Sentara was an ally in getting the Assembly to pony up $40 million to buy the old hospital property for JMU. Sentara used the money to build their new hospital campus in the county, and JMU received much needed space for the university. Then funds for renovations etc. came into play to complete the integration of the hospital properties for university use.

There are a few academic projects yet to be built, but the pace and scale of these projects will be smaller (Carrier Library excluded). Front campus may see construction on the corner of Grace and Main Street (the site of the existing Anthony-Seeger which will be razed), and of course new or replacement dorms. The halcyon days of JMU construction between 1995-2025 will slow….then again, about that time BFS will be ready for expansion! 04-cheers

Hope that state bond was $900 million and not $900 billion.

I'm all for higher ed, roads, etc ... but nearly $1 trillion?

04-bow

Good catch! Yes, it was just short of $1 billion, not $1 trillion! 04-cheers
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(09-08-2022 11:21 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  very very interesting - thank you. carrier to rose to alger...the chaos has come down, and we just keep upping our game.

speaking of grace and main...i saw somewhere (probably master plan) that it will be a bluestone art museum, and bluestone instructional building (maybe art as well?)

Yes, those are in the master plans (last I looked).

The applied design programs (Industrial Design, Architectural Design and Graphic Design) are in leased facilities owned by the Monger Lumber Co. The Photography program is in what is essentially a pole barn behind the baseball/softball parks. The MFA graduate studios (one of the few ranked graduate programs at JMU) are across the street from the applied design programs in leased, substandard spaces. The master plan would bring all these programs back towards campus (locating them across the street from Duke Hall, and next to Forbes), providing appropriately sized, ventilated and professionally designed spaces. The museum would be the heart of this complex, located front and center, immediately across the street from Duke Hall, and diagonally across the intersection of Grace and Main from the Madison Hotel.

The Madison Art Collection (which contains over 16,000 items, including Egyptian and Roman artifacts dating back some 5,000 years) is currently housed in the lower level of the Festival Conference Ctr. and has very limited access to students. The Madison Collection is a teaching collection, meaning students can actually handle the material and curate exhibits. Additionally, a JMU museum would be able to borrow and mount exhibits of world-class material curated and borrowed from the Smithsonian collections in D.C., and the Virginia Museum of Fine Art in Richmond. Bringing those kinds of exhibits to campus would be great to JMU students, but also all K-12 children in the Western side of VA.

The academic construction for the applied design and graduate art programs can be funded by the state. The museum would be seen as an auxiliary enterprise, and would require a major gift….like the recent Barry Art Museum built on ODU’s campus that opened in 2018. As I understand it, the building cost some $29 million, and the Barry’s gift of artworks raised the value of their gift to around $35 million.

https://www.odu.edu/news/2018/8/barry_ar...xpAMEkpAWM
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So the 2022 attendance numbers are in.

MTSU: 23,074
NSU: 23,928
Tx St: 25,188
Marshal: 26,159
GSU: 20,055
CC: 19,393

Our typical homecoming and family weekend crowd aside, I don't know that there is compelling evidence based strictly on attendance that we need to sink shovels right away and expand our football stadium seating. What is clear is that we need to improve the existing facility offerings with respect to amenities, concessions, restrooms, in-game experience, etc. It would be interesting to know what conversations are taking place to improve our football program game day experience.
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(11-28-2022 02:35 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So the 2022 attendance numbers are in.

MTSU: 23,074
NSU: 23,928
Tx St: 25,188
Marshal: 26,159
GSU: 20,055
CC: 19,393

Our typical homecoming and family weekend crowd aside, I don't know that there is compelling evidence based strictly on attendance that we need to sink shovels right away and expand our football stadium seating. What is clear is that we need to improve the existing facility offerings with respect to amenities, concessions, restrooms, in-game experience, etc. It would be interesting to know what conversations are taking place to improve our football program game day experience.

Agreed, although because of the late shuffling of the schedule we were dealt a pretty bad schedule in terms of timing. Having games on both ends of the Thanksgiving break will hopefully be an anomaly.

I think the game day atmosphere would improve by having a modern, steeper visitors side though with more amenities (may help alleviate the pressure on concessions on the home side). Right now, it feels like all of the noise escapes out of that side of the stadium and we lose some of the intensity that could exist in the stadium. I think when the stadium is louder, more casual fans feel compelled to yell too. Very few of us want to be the one person in the section screaming, alone.
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(11-28-2022 02:35 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So the 2022 attendance numbers are in.

MTSU: 23,074
NSU: 23,928
Tx St: 25,188
Marshal: 26,159
GSU: 20,055
CC: 19,393

Our typical homecoming and family weekend crowd aside, I don't know that there is compelling evidence based strictly on attendance that we need to sink shovels right away and expand our football stadium seating. What is clear is that we need to improve the existing facility offerings with respect to amenities, concessions, restrooms, in-game experience, etc. It would be interesting to know what conversations are taking place to improve our football program game day experience.

Agree.

The last 2 games were mostly without the Student Attendance. Hopefully in years to come we don't get bookend Thanksgiving Home games.
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