Watched the replay this morning on ESPN since I can't seem to sleep past 5am any more. That was good, because I was reminded of a number of plays that turned a close game into a win against a pretty good team. Adam Beale muffs the punt and Liberty recovers at around the 15. Toledo stops Liberty - even after accepting a holding call on 3rd down. So instead of 4th and long at around the 16, Toledo takes the penalty and gives up a relatively short gain designed to get closer for the field goal. Liberty misses the FG. Turnover does not convert to points. Then there was the play right before the final UT score. Snap in the shotgun rolls back to Finn. He reaches out with his left hand and fields the ball as clean as Trammel at SS for the Tigers. Scoops it up and returns to just short of the LOS. A potential turnover turned into a 1- yard loss. They score 2 plays later, then run a perfect shovel pass for the 2 point conversion and a 21-7 lead in the 4th Qtr.

Those sequences of plays were critical for the way they turned out. Something you expect from a team that is willing its way to a win. Something we saw for the first time in awhile this year at the MACC game. We played tough and gritty and competed on every play.

Oh yeah, there's also Cluckey nailing 2 field goals after stalled drives. He's been inconsistent in some big games we've had, but split the uprights on both FG's. Miss either one and we lose.

We have the personnel heading into next season to expect we will contend for a championship again. I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation, but a lot of factors will come into play. I saw some pretty good OL play in this game - along with some blown assignments again, but against a pretty good front four of Liberty. We wore them down.

Always better to end a season on an upswing. Players go into off-season conditioning with a much different mind set. But, I'd probably put that last BG touchdown on a loop in the workout room if they are looking for motivation for next year.

Last night was the first night I have ever seen Candle show emotion and get fired up on the sideline. Was that sighting only me?

(12-21-2022 08:31 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  Last night was the first night I have ever seen Candle show emotion and get fired up on the sideline. Was that sighting only me?

YES!! I loved seeing that. He was chewing someone's ass out on the headset on one of the camera shots on him. I knew what it was likely about at the time, but now I can't remember the play that seemed to instigate his response to someone - who was likely up in the "tower". Also think he pulled Boone and didn't put him in after he fumbled....which was another key play that occurred and I believe it was Torres who dove on the ball and kept it in Toledo's possession.

I have to believe Torres, Kuhl, and Szoros will be key receivers next year in the tight end slot - although Szoros is a wide receiver with a body is a cross between a TE and a WR - but with a lot more speed that the typical TE.

(12-21-2022 08:31 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  Last night was the first night I have ever seen Candle show emotion and get fired up on the sideline. Was that sighting only me?

I noticed that as well.

(12-21-2022 07:03 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Watched the replay this morning on ESPN since I can't seem to sleep past 5am any more. That was good, because I was reminded of a number of plays that turned a close game into a win against a pretty good team. Adam Beale muffs the punt and Liberty recovers at around the 15. Toledo stops Liberty - even after accepting a holding call on 3rd down. So instead of 4th and long at around the 16, Toledo takes the penalty and gives up a relatively short gain designed to get closer for the field goal. Liberty misses the FG. Turnover does not convert to points. Then there was the play right before the final UT score. Snap in the shotgun rolls back to Finn. He reaches out with his left hand and fields the ball as clean as Trammel at SS for the Tigers. Scoops it up and returns to just short of the LOS. A potential turnover turned into a 1- yard loss. They score 2 plays later, then run a perfect shovel pass for the 2 point conversion and a 21-7 lead in the 4th Qtr.

Those sequences of plays were critical for the way they turned out. Something you expect from a team that is willing its way to a win. Something we saw for the first time in awhile this year at the MACC game. We played tough and gritty and competed on every play.

Oh yeah, there's also Cluckey nailing 2 field goals after stalled drives. He's been inconsistent in some big games we've had, but split the uprights on both FG's. Miss either one and we lose.

We have the personnel heading into next season to expect we will contend for a championship again. I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation, but a lot of factors will come into play. I saw some pretty good OL play in this game - along with some blown assignments again, but against a pretty good front four of Liberty. We wore them down.

Always better to end a season on an upswing. Players go into off-season conditioning with a much different mind set. But, I'd probably put that last BG touchdown on a loop in the workout room if they are looking for motivation for next year.

Also in that sequence leading to the missed FG there was an illegal procedure call after the holding penalty

This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Btw:
Real nice turnout by Rocket fans for the MACC and the Boca Raton Bowl. To see all that Rocket gear and fans in S FL was great.

The program still needs some fixing, OL needs to
get better. Rocket D still is getting sucked in on high school
type plays. That TE should have never gotten behind the DBs
especially with game still in question and late in the 4th quarter. UT has given up too many big plays with gamed on the line. Most of the time just blown coverages. Going to keep UT from upsetting teams like Notre Dame and incurring losses like BGSux. Just like I love my kids, I can still call out what I see to be their mistakes and celebrate their achievements.

(12-21-2022 01:36 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Btw:
Real nice turnout by Rocket fans for the MACC and the Boca Raton Bowl. To see all that Rocket gear and fans in S FL was great.

The program still needs some fixing, OL needs to
get better. Rocket D still is getting sucked in on high school
type plays. That TE should have never gotten behind the DBs
especially with game still in question and late in the 4th quarter. UT has given up too many big plays with gamed on the line. Most of the time just blown coverages. Going to keep UT from upsetting teams like Notre Dame and incurring losses like BGSux. Just like I love my kids, I can still call out what I see to be their mistakes and celebrate their achievements.

Very fair assessment. Showing we can be even better. If you were to tell me in August we would give up 7 pts to a 9-3 MAC east Champ and 19 in a bowl vs. an 8-4 team... Idda paid you huge bucks for that to come true. If you told me that in 2019 about 2022 I'd be ecstatic! And I am.

Outside of Miami we had the best D in the league again. If the offense was just a bit more consistent, the D would have been helped even more. Never thought we would win games like Northwestern used to, but here we are. It's not as flashy, but dubs are dubs.

(12-21-2022 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

The difference is, Bob Nichols didn't have to win the MAC Tournament to get the automatic bid to the dance in 1967 or 1979 (No MAC tourney until 1980). He just had to win the regular season championship to get the auto bid. TK would have 2 NCAA bids already if that was still the case today.

(12-21-2022 09:19 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 08:31 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  Last night was the first night I have ever seen Candle show emotion and get fired up on the sideline. Was that sighting only me?

YES!! I loved seeing that. He was chewing someone's ass out on the headset on one of the camera shots on him. I knew what it was likely about at the time, but now I can't remember the play that seemed to instigate his response to someone - who was likely up in the "tower". Also think he pulled Boone and didn't put him in after he fumbled....which was another key play that occurred and I believe it was Torres who dove on the ball and kept it in Toledo's possession.

I have to believe Torres, Kuhl, and Szoros will be key receivers next year in the tight end slot - although Szoros is a wide receiver with a body is a cross between a TE and a WR - but with a lot more speed that the typical TE.

Boone wasn't pulled, he was puking all over the sideline.

(12-21-2022 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

An argument that the MAC is down during Candle's tenure? The talent that is in the MAC is at an all-time high. Between red-shirts, Covid years, and the transfer portal the quality of teams in the MAC is much better than 10 years ago.

I would also argue that it is HARDER to win in the MAC now than in the Pinkel years.

(12-21-2022 01:36 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Btw:
Real nice turnout by Rocket fans for the MACC and the Boca Raton Bowl. To see all that Rocket gear and fans in S FL was great.

The program still needs some fixing, OL needs to
get better. Rocket D still is getting sucked in on high school
type plays. That TE should have never gotten behind the DBs
especially with game still in question and late in the 4th quarter. UT has given up too many big plays with gamed on the line. Most of the time just blown coverages. Going to keep UT from upsetting teams like Notre Dame and incurring losses like BGSux. Just like I love my kids, I can still call out what I see to be their mistakes and celebrate their achievements.

+1. That's what fans do. I agree though that this thread should be locked for now because it doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the top of our forum.

(12-21-2022 11:18 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

An argument that the MAC is down during Candle's tenure? The talent that is in the MAC is at an all-time high. Between red-shirts, Covid years, and the transfer portal the quality of teams in the MAC is much better than 10 years ago.

I would also argue that it is HARDER to win in the MAC now than in the Pinkel years.

(12-22-2022 02:35 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:18 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  [quote='UofToledoFans' pid='18681740' dateline='1671638596']
This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

An argument that the MAC is down during Candle's tenure? The talent that is in the MAC is at an all-time high. Between red-shirts, Covid years, and the transfer portal the quality of teams in the MAC is much better than 10 years ago.

I would also argue that it is HARDER to win in the MAC now than in the Pinkel years.

The MAC is the worst FBS football conference. Used to be that the Sun Belt and CUSA were behind the MAC, but no more. Those conferences are southern and southwestern based, where the population growth is. http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/...f_Men.html

(12-22-2022 06:48 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:35 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:18 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 12:43 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  [quote='UofToledoFans' pid='18681740' dateline='1671638596']
This thread is silly. Might as well lock it until next season. Everyone should be happy despite their "deepest knowing of how football should be played, and who we should beat, and how much we should pay the coach."

We needed improvement over 7-6. Went 9-5, won a bowl, won the conference, committed less penalties, and lost 4 of our games directly on being on average -4 in turnovers in losses.

AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

An argument that the MAC is down during Candle's tenure? The talent that is in the MAC is at an all-time high. Between red-shirts, Covid years, and the transfer portal the quality of teams in the MAC is much better than 10 years ago.

I would also argue that it is HARDER to win in the MAC now than in the Pinkel years.

The MAC is the worst FBS football conference. Used to be that the Sun Belt and CUSA were behind the MAC, but no more. Those conferences are southern and southwestern based, where the population growth is. http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/...f_Men.html

Yeah, it isn't even a conversation at this point...the MAC as a conference are closer to the best FCS conference than the next best FBS conference at this point sadly.

(12-22-2022 09:41 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 06:48 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:35 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:18 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  AMEN! I almost started a "I'm Sorry, Coach Candle" thread for all of those that have not renewed their season tickets for next season, maybe have pulled their donations ($500 parking passes don't count as donations), and will never support Toledo Athletics again until Coach Candle is fired...

Those people should have a safe place to go and repent, say that they are sorry to Coach and thankful for the MAC Championship and Bowl game wins.

I for one am looking forward to Jason signing an extension hopefully for another 3-4 years. He is currently 54-32 in his career. He will pass Tom Amstutz for second most wins in school history by mid-October 2023.

By the time his extension is completed Head Coach Jason Candle will be the most accomplished and winningest coach in Toledo FB History.

Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

An argument that the MAC is down during Candle's tenure? The talent that is in the MAC is at an all-time high. Between red-shirts, Covid years, and the transfer portal the quality of teams in the MAC is much better than 10 years ago.

I would also argue that it is HARDER to win in the MAC now than in the Pinkel years.

The MAC is the worst FBS football conference. Used to be that the Sun Belt and CUSA were behind the MAC, but no more. Those conferences are southern and southwestern based, where the population growth is. http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/...f_Men.html

Yeah, it isn't even a conversation at this point...the MAC as a conference are closer to the best FCS conference than the next best FBS conference at this point sadly.

Toledo, BG, NIU and WMU need to be good for the MAC to be considered competitive. You can throw Miami and CMU in there as well. This season Toledo was good not great, BG was decent and improved. The others were bad. A good Ohio or Buffalo can up perception a tad but a bunch of 6 win bowl squads is not it. I'd say our bottom was better than usual because the top didn't really blow the doors off the league.

If WMU beats SJSU, BG doesn't lose to EKU, UB beats Holy Cross, NIU beats Vandy, and Toledo beats SDSU the league looks A LOT better.

(12-22-2022 09:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:41 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 06:48 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:35 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-21-2022 11:18 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  Yep. And there is an argument to be made about the MAC being down in his tenure and losing some he should have won. But in MBB it's not like this is the HAYDAY!?!? WHERE ARE THOSE RESULTS for K.?? Bob Nichols wasn't perfect. But the MAC had plenty of good teams and players back then, and still got UT to the dance (in a smaller field), more than 0 in every 12 seasons. Apathy was reset in fb. We have some juice going into 2023. The show me season was accomplished. Apathy is here to stay in mbb. Let's get to the freaking tourney.

An argument that the MAC is down during Candle's tenure? The talent that is in the MAC is at an all-time high. Between red-shirts, Covid years, and the transfer portal the quality of teams in the MAC is much better than 10 years ago.

I would also argue that it is HARDER to win in the MAC now than in the Pinkel years.

The MAC is the worst FBS football conference. Used to be that the Sun Belt and CUSA were behind the MAC, but no more. Those conferences are southern and southwestern based, where the population growth is. http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/...f_Men.html

Yeah, it isn't even a conversation at this point...the MAC as a conference are closer to the best FCS conference than the next best FBS conference at this point sadly.

Toledo, BG, NIU and WMU need to be good for the MAC to be considered competitive. You can throw Miami and CMU in there as well. This season Toledo was good not great, BG was decent and improved. The others were bad. A good Ohio or Buffalo can up perception a tad but a bunch of 6 win bowl squads is not it. I'd say our bottom was better than usual because the top didn't really blow the doors off the league.

If WMU beats SJSU, BG doesn't lose to EKU, UB beats Holy Cross, NIU beats Vandy, and Toledo beats SDSU the league looks A LOT better.

The problem is that all of those did happen...you cant cherry pick quality. That's like saying hydrogen blimps are great except for the Hindenburg.

(12-21-2022 11:18 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  I would also argue that it is HARDER to win in the MAC now than in the Pinkel years.

Disagree.

Not when you consider all 4 MAC championship games during Pinkel's tenure were played in Huntington, W, Va. and all 4 were won by Marshall on their home field, including Pinkel's final year in 2000 when Toledo beat Marshall during the regular season 42-0 (Toledo didn't even win the division title that year despite going 10-1 and beating Penn State and Marshall convincingly. And remember - Marshall never beat Toledo in the Glass Bowl during their return to the MAC - but only played in Toledo twice AND despite spotting them a 23-0 lead in 2001 (under Amstutz).

Prior to that under Pinkel, you had to win the title outright against a field of 10 teams vs. only 5-6 in the divisions to get to the title game. Pinkel's teams were just better fundamentally during his time in Toledo than anything Campbell or Candle have put on the field.