(10-09-2022 01:34 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:21 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:00 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 05:22 PM)holybovine Wrote:  This whole thread is gross.

People are using this situation to project their own opinions on a circumstance we know absolutely nothing about. We know nothing about the evidence surrounding the stop. There is a legal process that has to play out, but everyone wants to skip it because it involves someone who can play basketball. This is despicable. Asking for the President to pardon him, etc. Ridiculous. Some of you are parodies of the stereotypical win at all costs college sports fans. I’m not saying he’s guilty of anything, but he put himself in a position to be evaluated by the legal system, and now we have to wait and see.

Some of you putting prejudices, bias, or blame on the police WITHOUT knowing any of the facts are…not very bright.

To the contrary, we have most of the facts already. He was pulled over for failing to stop at a stop sign-> his car was searched-> a gun was found with allegedly tampered serial number. That is what the Sherif spokesman said and that is what the court records say. No other charges- no obstruction, no resistance, no pursuit of a crime- nothing.

Some of you assuming something else must have happened in order to prompt the search is “gross” in itself. If you think owning a gun for protection is wrong, then I am actually with you. I just don’t think it is a crime, and something I know others do.

A kid who was so supportive to his community and now to our alma mater deserves our support in return. He should not be treated like he is by the local cops/legal system- this is so serious both legally and for his reputation. That is what is really “gross”… I am sorry if you or anyone else feel offended that I am claiming some nameless cop was racist and that there is unfair prejudice in the legal system. But it happens to be the truth and a real problem.

I'm with you on that Ramy. We disagree on the gun aspect, I personally own a legal gun but I don't carry it. My wife and I are the only people in the world who know where it is and the code to open the safe. I just feel I want to have it as a way to protect my family. I certainly can understand and respect your view of it too. I can also understand why sometime like Emoni would want a gun for protection (fame, money, etc.).

What makes me really scratch my head about the situation (like I posted above) is why can't they easily trace the car that should lead to the gun? If you believe Emoni's attorney (which I do) it isn't his gun, so who's car was it?

I wonder if they could be in a stalemate? I'm driving your car, there is a unregistered gun so I say well it must be Ramy's because it's not mine. You claim yeah it's my car but that's not mine, it's gotta be Sellers. That seems hard to prove either one.

Legal guns and legal gun owners don't own or have guns where the identifying marks is serial number have been altered. This is done by individuals who don't want the gun traced. You know like criminals.

No say, Jose.... No one is denying the gun, or claiming a plant or anything else other than a gun owned by... ????

The owner of that gun could be Emoni's father, his brother or Emoni.

Emoni has a very good reputation. I don't believe he owns a car (inference consistent what I have been told) which, is consistent with that it was a borrowed car. I would guess he is the least likely of the three.

I wish I had more information but Emoni's brother apparently had has run ins with the law. I wish I would have asked more questions about his brother. I thought the case would have been 'solved' by now/

I have no idea if Emoni's father would want to carry a concealed weapon or possess one or one without marks.

This is starting to sound like the old game show, you, '79, remember, "To Tell The Truth." In that show one of three was telling the truth. In this case, it appears that one of three is the likely owner.

"Not me." But who is not telling the truth????

Here's something to ponder. Assume the same background facts prior to Bates Jr signing with EMU but before the car incident. Now let's say Bates Jr. was a 5 star football recruit transferring in from a P5 school etc. Does Chris Creighton sign him?

(10-09-2022 01:34 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:21 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:00 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 05:22 PM)holybovine Wrote:  This whole thread is gross.

People are using this situation to project their own opinions on a circumstance we know absolutely nothing about. We know nothing about the evidence surrounding the stop. There is a legal process that has to play out, but everyone wants to skip it because it involves someone who can play basketball. This is despicable. Asking for the President to pardon him, etc. Ridiculous. Some of you are parodies of the stereotypical win at all costs college sports fans. I’m not saying he’s guilty of anything, but he put himself in a position to be evaluated by the legal system, and now we have to wait and see.

Some of you putting prejudices, bias, or blame on the police WITHOUT knowing any of the facts are…not very bright.

To the contrary, we have most of the facts already. He was pulled over for failing to stop at a stop sign-> his car was searched-> a gun was found with allegedly tampered serial number. That is what the Sherif spokesman said and that is what the court records say. No other charges- no obstruction, no resistance, no pursuit of a crime- nothing.

Some of you assuming something else must have happened in order to prompt the search is “gross” in itself. If you think owning a gun for protection is wrong, then I am actually with you. I just don’t think it is a crime, and something I know others do.

A kid who was so supportive to his community and now to our alma mater deserves our support in return. He should not be treated like he is by the local cops/legal system- this is so serious both legally and for his reputation. That is what is really “gross”… I am sorry if you or anyone else feel offended that I am claiming some nameless cop was racist and that there is unfair prejudice in the legal system. But it happens to be the truth and a real problem.

I'm with you on that Ramy. We disagree on the gun aspect, I personally own a legal gun but I don't carry it. My wife and I are the only people in the world who know where it is and the code to open the safe. I just feel I want to have it as a way to protect my family. I certainly can understand and respect your view of it too. I can also understand why sometime like Emoni would want a gun for protection (fame, money, etc.).

What makes me really scratch my head about the situation (like I posted above) is why can't they easily trace the car that should lead to the gun? If you believe Emoni's attorney (which I do) it isn't his gun, so who's car was it?

I wonder if they could be in a stalemate? I'm driving your car, there is a unregistered gun so I say well it must be Ramy's because it's not mine. You claim yeah it's my car but that's not mine, it's gotta be Sellers. That seems hard to prove either one.

Legal guns and legal gun owners don't own or have guns where the identifying marks is serial number have been altered. This is done by individuals who don't want the gun traced. You know like criminals.

You and I are of the same mind on this.

The Washtenaw County DA has no obvious motivation to unjustly persecute Emoni Bates. I’m sure they’ve received significant pushback from the community for the charges. Doing this will not win them any popularity contests. Yet here they are, moving forward. I wonder why? Would they bring two felony charges against
Emoni if it were easily provable that the car/gun aren’t his? Something to consider.

(10-09-2022 02:16 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Here's something to ponder. Assume the same background facts prior to Bates Jr signing with EMU but before the car incident. Now let's say Bates Jr. was a 5 star football recruit transferring in from a P5 school etc. Does Chris Creighton sign him?

No chance in hell. He goes to CMU.

(10-09-2022 02:16 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Here's something to ponder. Assume the same background facts prior to Bates Jr signing with EMU but before the car incident. Now let's say Bates Jr. was a 5 star football recruit transferring in from a P5 school etc. Does Chris Creighton sign him?

100%. Before the gun charge I believe he was as clean as a freshly laundered shirt.

Let me repeat what I have been saying. From what people have told me (off the board) no one has said a bad word about Emoni's character.

This is why I didn't like the article you posted. His father caused him to 'grow up too soon' but that isn't a crime or moral weakness. He would have been better off staying at Lincoln but apparently his father saw otherwise.

If anyone deserves bad press it is the father, not Emoni.

(10-09-2022 02:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 01:34 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:21 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:00 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 05:22 PM)holybovine Wrote:  This whole thread is gross.

People are using this situation to project their own opinions on a circumstance we know absolutely nothing about. We know nothing about the evidence surrounding the stop. There is a legal process that has to play out, but everyone wants to skip it because it involves someone who can play basketball. This is despicable. Asking for the President to pardon him, etc. Ridiculous. Some of you are parodies of the stereotypical win at all costs college sports fans. I’m not saying he’s guilty of anything, but he put himself in a position to be evaluated by the legal system, and now we have to wait and see.

Some of you putting prejudices, bias, or blame on the police WITHOUT knowing any of the facts are…not very bright.

To the contrary, we have most of the facts already. He was pulled over for failing to stop at a stop sign-> his car was searched-> a gun was found with allegedly tampered serial number. That is what the Sherif spokesman said and that is what the court records say. No other charges- no obstruction, no resistance, no pursuit of a crime- nothing.

Some of you assuming something else must have happened in order to prompt the search is “gross” in itself. If you think owning a gun for protection is wrong, then I am actually with you. I just don’t think it is a crime, and something I know others do.

A kid who was so supportive to his community and now to our alma mater deserves our support in return. He should not be treated like he is by the local cops/legal system- this is so serious both legally and for his reputation. That is what is really “gross”… I am sorry if you or anyone else feel offended that I am claiming some nameless cop was racist and that there is unfair prejudice in the legal system. But it happens to be the truth and a real problem.

I'm with you on that Ramy. We disagree on the gun aspect, I personally own a legal gun but I don't carry it. My wife and I are the only people in the world who know where it is and the code to open the safe. I just feel I want to have it as a way to protect my family. I certainly can understand and respect your view of it too. I can also understand why sometime like Emoni would want a gun for protection (fame, money, etc.).

What makes me really scratch my head about the situation (like I posted above) is why can't they easily trace the car that should lead to the gun? If you believe Emoni's attorney (which I do) it isn't his gun, so who's car was it?

I wonder if they could be in a stalemate? I'm driving your car, there is a unregistered gun so I say well it must be Ramy's because it's not mine. You claim yeah it's my car but that's not mine, it's gotta be Sellers. That seems hard to prove either one.

Legal guns and legal gun owners don't own or have guns where the identifying marks is serial number have been altered. This is done by individuals who don't want the gun traced. You know like criminals.

No say, Jose.... No one is denying the gun, or claiming a plant or anything else other than a gun owned by... ????

The owner of that gun could be Emoni's father, his brother or Emoni.

Emoni has a very good reputation. I don't believe he owns a car (inference consistent what I have been told) which, is consistent with that it was a borrowed car. I would guess he is the least likely of the three.

I wish I had more information but Emoni's brother apparently had has run ins with the law. I wish I would have asked more questions about his brother. I thought the case would have been 'solved' by now/

I have no idea if Emoni's father would want to carry a concealed weapon or possess one or one without marks.

This is starting to sound like the old game show, you, '79, remember, "To Tell The Truth." In that show one of three was telling the truth. In this case, it appears that one of three is the likely owner.

"Not me." But who is not telling the truth????

Does Emoni even have a brother?

(10-09-2022 04:41 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 02:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 01:34 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:21 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:00 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  To the contrary, we have most of the facts already. He was pulled over for failing to stop at a stop sign-> his car was searched-> a gun was found with allegedly tampered serial number. That is what the Sherif spokesman said and that is what the court records say. No other charges- no obstruction, no resistance, no pursuit of a crime- nothing.

Some of you assuming something else must have happened in order to prompt the search is “gross” in itself. If you think owning a gun for protection is wrong, then I am actually with you. I just don’t think it is a crime, and something I know others do.

A kid who was so supportive to his community and now to our alma mater deserves our support in return. He should not be treated like he is by the local cops/legal system- this is so serious both legally and for his reputation. That is what is really “gross”… I am sorry if you or anyone else feel offended that I am claiming some nameless cop was racist and that there is unfair prejudice in the legal system. But it happens to be the truth and a real problem.

I'm with you on that Ramy. We disagree on the gun aspect, I personally own a legal gun but I don't carry it. My wife and I are the only people in the world who know where it is and the code to open the safe. I just feel I want to have it as a way to protect my family. I certainly can understand and respect your view of it too. I can also understand why sometime like Emoni would want a gun for protection (fame, money, etc.).

What makes me really scratch my head about the situation (like I posted above) is why can't they easily trace the car that should lead to the gun? If you believe Emoni's attorney (which I do) it isn't his gun, so who's car was it?

I wonder if they could be in a stalemate? I'm driving your car, there is a unregistered gun so I say well it must be Ramy's because it's not mine. You claim yeah it's my car but that's not mine, it's gotta be Sellers. That seems hard to prove either one.

Legal guns and legal gun owners don't own or have guns where the identifying marks is serial number have been altered. This is done by individuals who don't want the gun traced. You know like criminals.

No say, Jose.... No one is denying the gun, or claiming a plant or anything else other than a gun owned by... ????

The owner of that gun could be Emoni's father, his brother or Emoni.

Emoni has a very good reputation. I don't believe he owns a car (inference consistent what I have been told) which, is consistent with that it was a borrowed car. I would guess he is the least likely of the three.

I wish I had more information but Emoni's brother apparently had has run ins with the law. I wish I would have asked more questions about his brother. I thought the case would have been 'solved' by now/

I have no idea if Emoni's father would want to carry a concealed weapon or possess one or one without marks.

This is starting to sound like the old game show, you, '79, remember, "To Tell The Truth." In that show one of three was telling the truth. In this case, it appears that one of three is the likely owner.

"Not me." But who is not telling the truth????

Does Emoni even have a brother?

I believe he does. It's been quite a few years now and I'm sure the video is still out there, but I vaguely remember when he was in like 10th grade and committed to MSU on ESPN that it was Emoni, his parents, his high school coach, and his brother.

(10-09-2022 07:57 PM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 04:41 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 02:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 01:34 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:21 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  I'm with you on that Ramy. We disagree on the gun aspect, I personally own a legal gun but I don't carry it. My wife and I are the only people in the world who know where it is and the code to open the safe. I just feel I want to have it as a way to protect my family. I certainly can understand and respect your view of it too. I can also understand why sometime like Emoni would want a gun for protection (fame, money, etc.).

What makes me really scratch my head about the situation (like I posted above) is why can't they easily trace the car that should lead to the gun? If you believe Emoni's attorney (which I do) it isn't his gun, so who's car was it?

I wonder if they could be in a stalemate? I'm driving your car, there is a unregistered gun so I say well it must be Ramy's because it's not mine. You claim yeah it's my car but that's not mine, it's gotta be Sellers. That seems hard to prove either one.

Legal guns and legal gun owners don't own or have guns where the identifying marks is serial number have been altered. This is done by individuals who don't want the gun traced. You know like criminals.

No say, Jose.... No one is denying the gun, or claiming a plant or anything else other than a gun owned by... ????

The owner of that gun could be Emoni's father, his brother or Emoni.

Emoni has a very good reputation. I don't believe he owns a car (inference consistent what I have been told) which, is consistent with that it was a borrowed car. I would guess he is the least likely of the three.

I wish I had more information but Emoni's brother apparently had has run ins with the law. I wish I would have asked more questions about his brother. I thought the case would have been 'solved' by now/

I have no idea if Emoni's father would want to carry a concealed weapon or possess one or one without marks.

This is starting to sound like the old game show, you, '79, remember, "To Tell The Truth." In that show one of three was telling the truth. In this case, it appears that one of three is the likely owner.

"Not me." But who is not telling the truth????

Does Emoni even have a brother?

I believe he does. It's been quite a few years now and I'm sure the video is still out there, but I vaguely remember when he was in like 10th grade and committed to MSU on ESPN that it was Emoni, his parents, his high school coach, and his brother.

Interestingly… on the EMU site under the roster listings, they usually mention the parents and siblings under the personal information. But for Emoni it is just his parents. Either it was an oversight, or perhaps Nickle is correct he does not have a brother.
https://emueagles.com/sports/mens-basket...ates/14597

(10-09-2022 01:34 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:21 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 08:00 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 05:22 PM)holybovine Wrote:  This whole thread is gross.

People are using this situation to project their own opinions on a circumstance we know absolutely nothing about. We know nothing about the evidence surrounding the stop. There is a legal process that has to play out, but everyone wants to skip it because it involves someone who can play basketball. This is despicable. Asking for the President to pardon him, etc. Ridiculous. Some of you are parodies of the stereotypical win at all costs college sports fans. I’m not saying he’s guilty of anything, but he put himself in a position to be evaluated by the legal system, and now we have to wait and see.

Some of you putting prejudices, bias, or blame on the police WITHOUT knowing any of the facts are…not very bright.

To the contrary, we have most of the facts already. He was pulled over for failing to stop at a stop sign-> his car was searched-> a gun was found with allegedly tampered serial number. That is what the Sherif spokesman said and that is what the court records say. No other charges- no obstruction, no resistance, no pursuit of a crime- nothing.

Some of you assuming something else must have happened in order to prompt the search is “gross” in itself. If you think owning a gun for protection is wrong, then I am actually with you. I just don’t think it is a crime, and something I know others do.

A kid who was so supportive to his community and now to our alma mater deserves our support in return. He should not be treated like he is by the local cops/legal system- this is so serious both legally and for his reputation. That is what is really “gross”… I am sorry if you or anyone else feel offended that I am claiming some nameless cop was racist and that there is unfair prejudice in the legal system. But it happens to be the truth and a real problem.

I'm with you on that Ramy. We disagree on the gun aspect, I personally own a legal gun but I don't carry it. My wife and I are the only people in the world who know where it is and the code to open the safe. I just feel I want to have it as a way to protect my family. I certainly can understand and respect your view of it too. I can also understand why sometime like Emoni would want a gun for protection (fame, money, etc.).

What makes me really scratch my head about the situation (like I posted above) is why can't they easily trace the car that should lead to the gun? If you believe Emoni's attorney (which I do) it isn't his gun, so who's car was it?

I wonder if they could be in a stalemate? I'm driving your car, there is a unregistered gun so I say well it must be Ramy's because it's not mine. You claim yeah it's my car but that's not mine, it's gotta be Sellers. That seems hard to prove either one.

Legal guns and legal gun owners don't own or have guns where the identifying marks is serial number have been altered. This is done by individuals who don't want the gun traced. You know like criminals.

Or people who don’t trust law enforcement/legal system? Or people who are under the age of 21? Or … ?

(10-09-2022 10:23 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 07:57 PM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 04:41 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 02:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 01:34 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Legal guns and legal gun owners don't own or have guns where the identifying marks is serial number have been altered. This is done by individuals who don't want the gun traced. You know like criminals.

No say, Jose.... No one is denying the gun, or claiming a plant or anything else other than a gun owned by... ????

The owner of that gun could be Emoni's father, his brother or Emoni.

Emoni has a very good reputation. I don't believe he owns a car (inference consistent what I have been told) which, is consistent with that it was a borrowed car. I would guess he is the least likely of the three.

I wish I had more information but Emoni's brother apparently had has run ins with the law. I wish I would have asked more questions about his brother. I thought the case would have been 'solved' by now/

I have no idea if Emoni's father would want to carry a concealed weapon or possess one or one without marks.

This is starting to sound like the old game show, you, '79, remember, "To Tell The Truth." In that show one of three was telling the truth. In this case, it appears that one of three is the likely owner.

"Not me." But who is not telling the truth????

Does Emoni even have a brother?

I believe he does. It's been quite a few years now and I'm sure the video is still out there, but I vaguely remember when he was in like 10th grade and committed to MSU on ESPN that it was Emoni, his parents, his high school coach, and his brother.

Interestingly… on the EMU site under the roster listings, they usually mention the parents and siblings under the personal information. But for Emoni it is just his parents. Either it was an oversight, or perhaps Nickle is correct he does not have a brother.
https://emueagles.com/sports/mens-basket...ates/14597

I found the video. The anchor does say it's his parents, coach, and brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E07wp2KKOu4

(10-10-2022 06:08 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 10:23 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 07:57 PM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 04:41 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 02:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  No say, Jose.... No one is denying the gun, or claiming a plant or anything else other than a gun owned by... ????

The owner of that gun could be Emoni's father, his brother or Emoni.

Emoni has a very good reputation. I don't believe he owns a car (inference consistent what I have been told) which, is consistent with that it was a borrowed car. I would guess he is the least likely of the three.

I wish I had more information but Emoni's brother apparently had has run ins with the law. I wish I would have asked more questions about his brother. I thought the case would have been 'solved' by now/

I have no idea if Emoni's father would want to carry a concealed weapon or possess one or one without marks.

This is starting to sound like the old game show, you, '79, remember, "To Tell The Truth." In that show one of three was telling the truth. In this case, it appears that one of three is the likely owner.

"Not me." But who is not telling the truth????

Does Emoni even have a brother?

I believe he does. It's been quite a few years now and I'm sure the video is still out there, but I vaguely remember when he was in like 10th grade and committed to MSU on ESPN that it was Emoni, his parents, his high school coach, and his brother.

Interestingly… on the EMU site under the roster listings, they usually mention the parents and siblings under the personal information. But for Emoni it is just his parents. Either it was an oversight, or perhaps Nickle is correct he does not have a brother.
https://emueagles.com/sports/mens-basket...ates/14597

I found the video. The anchor does say it's his parents, coach, and brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E07wp2KKOu4

Excellent sleuthing.

I indeed was told Emoni has a brother and that his brother may have had run ins with the law. I'm trying to get back with the source for details.

This opens up all kind of 'conspiracy theory' possibilities like that the traffic violation was a pretext and the target might have been his brother.

All kind of possibilities. If someone is targeted try to get a pretext stop and search for weapons and drugs.

I watched the Lions game yesterday (I know, I know...) and they had a bit on Robert Kraft and I found the Vanity Fair article about his arrest in Palm Beach, FL. They broke the message parlor's activity by doing pretext and installed cameras in the rooms to 'collect evidence' and then followed and stopped a customer for a traffic violation as a pretext to get him on the prostitution charge.

In the case of Mr. Kraft, they certainly didn't want to sting a NFL owner, but sometimes you try to get John Doe and end up with a Robert Kraft.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/...bert-kraft

"Over the next five days, Sharp and his team watched, via a live feed, as more than 20 men received manual sex, oral sex, and anal play. When the johns left the spa, an officer would follow them and initiate a traffic stop as a pretext for identifying the men. "

Let me repeat what I've said before: There are THREE individuals who POSSIBLY could have been involved with the car and gun. We are pretty sure the car was his father (I don't believe Emoni owns a car). This is why I keep saying this is as clear as mud.

(10-10-2022 06:08 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 10:23 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 07:57 PM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 04:41 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 02:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  No say, Jose.... No one is denying the gun, or claiming a plant or anything else other than a gun owned by... ????

The owner of that gun could be Emoni's father, his brother or Emoni.

Emoni has a very good reputation. I don't believe he owns a car (inference consistent what I have been told) which, is consistent with that it was a borrowed car. I would guess he is the least likely of the three.

I wish I had more information but Emoni's brother apparently had has run ins with the law. I wish I would have asked more questions about his brother. I thought the case would have been 'solved' by now/

I have no idea if Emoni's father would want to carry a concealed weapon or possess one or one without marks.

This is starting to sound like the old game show, you, '79, remember, "To Tell The Truth." In that show one of three was telling the truth. In this case, it appears that one of three is the likely owner.

"Not me." But who is not telling the truth????

Does Emoni even have a brother?

I believe he does. It's been quite a few years now and I'm sure the video is still out there, but I vaguely remember when he was in like 10th grade and committed to MSU on ESPN that it was Emoni, his parents, his high school coach, and his brother.

Interestingly… on the EMU site under the roster listings, they usually mention the parents and siblings under the personal information. But for Emoni it is just his parents. Either it was an oversight, or perhaps Nickle is correct he does not have a brother.
https://emueagles.com/sports/mens-basket...ates/14597

I found the video. The anchor does say it's his parents, coach, and brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E07wp2KKOu4

Woah, that is some serious detective work, Sellers! Thanks!!

Pure speculation of course but I am pretty confident at this point that the Bates are trying to protect a family member in the way they are handling this legal case. I respect that. Just means we are going to miss Emoni for the early part of the season, which is totally fine… But this is not very good at all for Emoni himself- I feel bad for him.

Yeah, guys I have been told that he probably does play at some point this season. Based on info I got, I would bet he is back by MAC play. I am sure by January 3rd he will definitely have finished this legal dispute. Also, I am confident he will win the case based on the same info.

(10-10-2022 07:53 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Yeah, guys I have been told that he probably does play at some point this season. Based on info I got, I would bet he is back by MAC play. I am sure by January 3rd he will definitely have finished this legal dispute. Also, I am confident he will win the case based on the same info.

That is kind of good to hear, thanks for sharing! But I still feel so bad for the kid. This is a pretty big and public distraction for him coming at a very pivotal time in his life and potential career.

As an EMU fan, this might be a good thing in some ways. We get to really assess the full talents of the team during non-conference with Emoni out.

(10-10-2022 08:27 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 07:53 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Yeah, guys I have been told that he probably does play at some point this season. Based on info I got, I would bet he is back by MAC play. I am sure by January 3rd he will definitely have finished this legal dispute. Also, I am confident he will win the case based on the same info.

That is kind of good to hear, thanks for sharing! But I still feel so bad for the kid. This is a pretty big and public distraction for him coming at a very pivotal time in his life and potential career.

As an EMU fan, this might be a good thing in some ways. We get to really assess the full talents of the team during non-conference with Emoni out.

Two more thoughts:

1). I really wonder why the Wash. Co. didn't confiscate the gun (as evidence), call Mr. Bates, etc. and investigate it (send it to a grand jury IF they can identify the probable owner). If not, confiscate and destroy the gun without charges because they do not know 'beyond a reasonable doubt' who the owner is. Some crimes can not be solved, and charged, because law doesn't know who to charge: Person A, Person B or Person C.

2). If the case ends up the way we hope it does, it will be national news. I have 'Twitter relationships" with some who are media including a college sports writer for the Wash Post. This story has the potential to be a black eye for the criminal justice system (do not charge unless the law is 95% certain they have the right person). This is the type of story which could end up on ESPN, Wash. Post, maybe even cable news as well as local news outlets.

(10-07-2022 05:22 PM)holybovine Wrote:  This whole thread is gross.

People are using this situation to project their own opinions on a circumstance we know absolutely nothing about. We know nothing about the evidence surrounding the stop. There is a legal process that has to play out, but everyone wants to skip it because it involves someone who can play basketball. This is despicable. Asking for the President to pardon him, etc. Ridiculous. Some of you are parodies of the stereotypical win at all costs college sports fans. I’m not saying he’s guilty of anything, but he put himself in a position to be evaluated by the legal system, and now we have to wait and see.

Some of you putting prejudices, bias, or blame on the police WITHOUT knowing any of the facts are…not very bright.

100% spot on holybovine.

(10-10-2022 08:49 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 08:27 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 07:53 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Yeah, guys I have been told that he probably does play at some point this season. Based on info I got, I would bet he is back by MAC play. I am sure by January 3rd he will definitely have finished this legal dispute. Also, I am confident he will win the case based on the same info.

That is kind of good to hear, thanks for sharing! But I still feel so bad for the kid. This is a pretty big and public distraction for him coming at a very pivotal time in his life and potential career.

As an EMU fan, this might be a good thing in some ways. We get to really assess the full talents of the team during non-conference with Emoni out.

Two more thoughts:

1). I really wonder why the Wash. Co. didn't confiscate the gun (as evidence), call Mr. Bates, etc. and investigate it (send it to a grand jury IF they can identify the probable owner). If not, confiscate and destroy the gun without charges because they do not know 'beyond a reasonable doubt' who the owner is. Some crimes can not be solved, and charged, because law doesn't know who to charge: Person A, Person B or Person C.

2). If the case ends up the way we hope it does, it will be national news. I have 'Twitter relationships" with some who are media including a college sports writer for the Wash Post. This story has the potential to be a black eye for the criminal justice system (do not charge unless the law is 95% certain they have the right person). This is the type of story which could end up on ESPN, Wash. Post, maybe even cable news as well as local news outlets.

Thanks to Steve and Sellers sleuthing, and thanks to Nickle and Edified in-the-know sources, I think there is a pretty clear picture emerging here. Still speculation of course, but I think I can address your first thought:

*****The Bates strategy:
One of Emoni’s familiars- ?likely the brother?- had a black market gun which ultimately ended up in the car Emoni was driving. The Bates family know that it was not Emoni’s gun so the DA is eventually going to have to drop the charges against him. They could end this a lot quicker by reporting the familiar is the owner of the gun with tampered identification but that would send the familiar to jail which they obviously don’t what to either. I bet you the Bates family thought the DA would have dropped the charges by now. This I think most of us agree on at this point, but the answer to your thought number 1 lies in the…

*****The DAs strategy:
They know the gun does not belong to Emoni. But they also know the Bates strategy. The DA wants the owner of the gun (Emoni’s familiar) to come forward so they can prosecute him- they obviously don’t want unregistered guns in the public hence the law. So they are pushing this as far as they can take it with Emoni to put pressure on the Bates family to fold their strategy. Of course, this can also backfire on the DA if press gets out. It is a big game of chicken between the Bates family and the DA office.

If this is actually the case, it is so unfortunate for the young man Emoni. He is caught between protecting his family and clearing his name. This whole affair can ruin him forever. I really do wish him the best (and of course, hope he will still get to play at EMU at some point).

(10-10-2022 09:50 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 08:49 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 08:27 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 07:53 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Yeah, guys I have been told that he probably does play at some point this season. Based on info I got, I would bet he is back by MAC play. I am sure by January 3rd he will definitely have finished this legal dispute. Also, I am confident he will win the case based on the same info.

That is kind of good to hear, thanks for sharing! But I still feel so bad for the kid. This is a pretty big and public distraction for him coming at a very pivotal time in his life and potential career.

As an EMU fan, this might be a good thing in some ways. We get to really assess the full talents of the team during non-conference with Emoni out.

Two more thoughts:

1). I really wonder why the Wash. Co. didn't confiscate the gun (as evidence), call Mr. Bates, etc. and investigate it (send it to a grand jury IF they can identify the probable owner). If not, confiscate and destroy the gun without charges because they do not know 'beyond a reasonable doubt' who the owner is. Some crimes can not be solved, and charged, because law doesn't know who to charge: Person A, Person B or Person C.

2). If the case ends up the way we hope it does, it will be national news. I have 'Twitter relationships" with some who are media including a college sports writer for the Wash Post. This story has the potential to be a black eye for the criminal justice system (do not charge unless the law is 95% certain they have the right person). This is the type of story which could end up on ESPN, Wash. Post, maybe even cable news as well as local news outlets.

Thanks to Steve and Sellers sleuthing, and thanks to Nickle and Edified in-the-know sources, I think there is a pretty clear picture emerging here. Still speculation of course, but I think I can address your first thought:

*****The Bates strategy:
One of Emoni’s familiars- ?likely the brother?- had a black market gun which ultimately ended up in the car Emoni was driving. The Bates family know that it was not Emoni’s gun so the DA is eventually going to have to drop the charges against him. They could end this a lot quicker by reporting the familiar is the owner of the gun with tampered identification but that would send the familiar to jail which they obviously don’t what to either. I bet you the Bates family thought the DA would have dropped the charges by now. This I think most of us agree on at this point, but the answer to your thought number 1 lies in the…

*****The DAs strategy:
They know the gun does not belong to Emoni. But they also know the Bates strategy. The DA wants the owner of the gun (Emoni’s familiar) to come forward so they can prosecute him- they obviously don’t want unregistered guns in the public hence the law. So they are pushing this as far as they can take it with Emoni to put pressure on the Bates family to fold their strategy. Of course, this can also backfire on the DA if press gets out. It is a big game of chicken between the Bates family and the DA office.

If this is actually the case, it is so unfortunate for the young man Emoni. He is caught between protecting his family and clearing his name. This whole affair can ruin him forever. I really do wish him the best (and of course, hope he will still get to play at EMU at some point).

Agree with your comments.

I think the DA should be very careful with this case as it will attract local, state and national attention regardless of its outcome.

If they hang felony charges on someone they don't believe is the culprit to get that person to 'flip' that is bad criminal justice and presumably (I hope) against judicial ethics.

I see nothing good coming out of this case. No winners. Everyone loses.

BTW, I believe the legal issue involved is constructive possession. Dad drives son's car. Drugs found in the car, they go after the dad although it is dubious 65 year old dad is into drugs.

Not a lot ethics in the legal system these days. Where I live in the last 3 years the chief of police, the county prosecutor, the asst prosecutor and a bunch of lieutenants have all been convicted of multiple crimes including framing people, fraud and faking drug charges to lock specific people up. During the first wave of COVID the cops got tasked with enforcing restrictions and just posted up around the big public housing projects and cited anyone outside without a mask (not illegal). They got caught for profiling and then caught again for fudging their overtime hours, putting in for 80 hours a week (which equals 3 times 1 week's pay). And no one in the department has faced any criminal investigation or even suspension.

Don't be surprised the system tries to leverage whatever it can to get convictions, prisons are full of folks locked up on victimless crimes like this. I'm no fan of random guns everywhere, but as anyone who has studied criminology knows most of the serious crime is committed by a small percentage of people who are serial offenders and dangerous. The majority of people in the system are caught up in scenarios like Emoni and are not a threat to commit serious crime. That said, don't assume it isn't his gun. He's got some fame and money and is a target. I wouldn't be surprised if he was carrying. on one level it's not a smart move having a dirty gun, but as we also know being a registered legal black male gun owner carries risks as well.

(10-11-2022 02:25 AM)pono Wrote:  Not a lot ethics in the legal system these days. Where I live in the last 3 years the chief of police, the county prosecutor, the asst prosecutor and a bunch of lieutenants have all been convicted of multiple crimes including framing people, fraud and faking drug charges to lock specific people up. During the first wave of COVID the cops got tasked with enforcing restrictions and just posted up around the big public housing projects and cited anyone outside without a mask (not illegal). They got caught for profiling and then caught again for fudging their overtime hours, putting in for 80 hours a week (which equals 3 times 1 week's pay). And no one in the department has faced any criminal investigation or even suspension.

Don't be surprised the system tries to leverage whatever it can to get convictions, prisons are full of folks locked up on victimless crimes like this. I'm no fan of random guns everywhere, but as anyone who has studied criminology knows most of the serious crime is committed by a small percentage of people who are serial offenders and dangerous. The majority of people in the system are caught up in scenarios like Emoni and are not a threat to commit serious crime. That said, don't assume it isn't his gun. He's got some fame and money and is a target. I wouldn't be surprised if he was carrying. on one level it's not a smart move having a dirty gun, but as we also know being a registered legal black male gun owner carries risks as well.

Excellent post! Thanks, Pono!

I am pretty sure it is NOT Emoni’s gun. Lawyer’s skill set is to communicate accurately or ambiguously as the case is needed. Note: Emoni’s lawyer made a very clear and very public statement that it was not Emoni’s gun (wouldn’t say this if there were a possibility of prints) but then made a very ambiguous statement that it was a “borrowed car”.

I agree it would be logical/possible for an 18 year old with fame and money to want to carry a gun for protection and since they are only 18 (under 21) their only recourse would be an illegal gun. If this were the case, I would not judge Emoni for a “victimless crime” as you say. But almost certainly this was not Emoni’s gun.