(07-18-2022 10:11 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  lmao the sec and bigten aren't concerned one whit about 'giving everyone access'.....

the idea that the sec and bigten aren't going to pretty much completely control the playoff in the future is a non-starter. Thats especially true if ND leaves and whenever clemson manages to break free. Because the sec and bigten and cleaning up the mess with those schools- there are NO teams outside the sec and bigten at that point that people would care about if they don't have access to the playoff and the playoff would have full legitimacy with those teams. Now to get the cherry on top the sec and bigten may do something like allow a spot for the highest non-power 2 team if they meet certain standards, but make no mistake- the big12 and sec are going to do what they want with the playoff down the road.

Nope, have to disagree with that. It's completely farcical to announce some playoff setup between the B1G and SEC (even with ND) and declare a national champion from 32 or 36 schools. I don't think that scenario is even being discussed. Otherwise the B1G would have grabbed more teams. There is no indication that they want to break off from the rest of college football. It's more likely the SEC forms its own NFL minor league without the rest of FBS involved and declares its own champ, but it's not a national championship unless you have 64-80 teams participating at the top level at the very least. A lot of dominoes have to fall before we see a full breakaway.

According to Pete Thamel, it's dead...

Quote:Talks about a partnership between the Big 12 and the Pac-12, which had been discussed extensively the past two weeks, have officially ended, sources told ESPN.

Officials from the Big 12 told Pac-12 officials on Monday that they're no longer interested in exploring the partnership, sources said.

A Big 12 source said that the deal didn't work for the Big 12 for "a multitude of reasons," which included the fact that any potential deal wouldn't have driven much revenue for the league. "It just didn't work," the source said.

There's been at least three Zoom calls between top league officials in the Big 12 and the Pac-12 and other calls between other factions of the league -- including legal -- to discussion different options. The extent of the conversations had not been previously reported.

A Pac-12 source briefed on the conversations said that the Big 12 had expressed interest on Friday in possibly exploring a full merger. The Big 12 source said of the three options laid out by the Pac-12 -- pooling rights, a scheduling concept or fully combining the leagues -- that the only scenario that could have potentially driven value because of the sheer numbers of schools and populations areas was a full merger of the leagues.

The Pac-12 source indicated the Big 12 was interested in that option. A Big 12 source said the Big 12 needed more time to explore that option further, which it did over the weekend and decided not to explore any options further.

The Pac-12 source said that the Pac-12 was skeptical of the full merger because the leagues' media rights expire at different times. A Big 12 source countered that the Pac-12 had expressed ways they could work around that.

"Because the Big 12 media rights can't be negotiated until 2024, Pac-12 schools have no motivation to join the Big 12," said a Pac-12 source. "The Pac-12 has announced that they're staying together and are in the middle of media rights negotiations."

The Pac-12 has been exploring all options after the sudden departures of UCLA and USC have left the league without two of its top brands and no toe hold in the Los Angeles media market. The league has just two full years remaining on its underwhelming television deal, and Commissioner George Kliavkoff has been diligently exploring creative ways to generate revenue.

That's included conversations with the ACC about some sort of scheduling arrangement, but sources have told ESPN that the financial reality of that potential partnership also projects to underwhelm.

The Pac-12's expiring contract and few options to generate revenue continues to perpetuate the notion that the Pac-12 is the most vulnerable of the Power Five leagues. With the Big Ten nabbing two of the league's top properties and cutting the potential value of the upcoming television contract significantly, the reality of the Pac-12 needing to fight off potential poachers could emerge.

Both Oregon and Washington have participated in the College Football Playoff and aren't bound by a grant of rights after the league's TV deal ends. Also, the Big 12 has monitored through backchannels the potential of adding Pac-12 schools Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado, which is a former Big 12 member.

New Big 12 Commissioner Brett Yormark has maintained that the league is "open for business" and the conference has stressed that it plans to be aggressive about potential additions.

"We will leave no stone unturned to drive value for the conference," Yormark said at media day. He added: "There is no higher priority than to best position the Big 12 for its upcoming multimedia rights negotiations. Everything we do must create momentum for those negotiations."

On July 5, the Pac-12 announced that the league's Board of Directors authorized the league to immediately begin negotiations for its next media rights agreements. That's left the league exploring different and creative options to drive revenue through partnerships.

ESPN ARTICLE

(07-18-2022 08:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  According to Pete Thamel, it's dead...

I'm fine with this. I was never in favor of a full merger. It would have been too many schools and too much dead weight. I'd much rather have the top 4-6 Pac teams along with our new additions. That will make for a really fun conference.

Or if we stay at 12, I'm good with that too. The more time passes, the more confident and excited I am about the new B12. With or without the Pac schools.

(07-18-2022 10:14 PM)HornFrogFan Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 08:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  According to Pete Thamel, it's dead...

I'm fine with this. I was never in favor of a full merger. It would have been too many schools and too much dead weight. I'd much rather have the top 4-6 Pac teams along with our new additions. That will make for a really fun conference.

Or if we stay at 12, I'm good with that too. The more time passes, the more confident and excited I am about the new B12. With or without the Pac schools.

I’m onboard with this ^^^ too

Right now can’t trust no conference commissioners… I’m glad BIG12 called whatever discussions of a merger off.

Good. We don’t need the coastal 6: 2 of which will drag down the revenue and the other 4 think they are too good for us

Well, we will see if the Big 12 can poach some schools. They have a good chance getting Zonas if CO and Utah still play hard to get.

Yikes. There are some damaging quotes in that espn article about the pac. And there counting on espn to be there savior

Jackson

(07-19-2022 05:59 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Yikes. There are some damaging quotes in that espn article about the pac. And there counting on espn to be there savior

Jackson

The PAC is in survival mode and ESPN knows it… and ESPN is also well aware of the west coast time zone eyeball unfriendly.

Not good for the PAC

I never thought that Oregon and Washington could get left out of a P2 setup but now I think they could. By getting $100+ million payouts, the B1G and SEC are pricing almost everyone out of the market to join them. Notre Dame and Clemson, but then the rest of the list gets very questionable at the $100 million level.

(07-19-2022 11:33 AM)Cyclones85 Wrote:  I never thought that Oregon and Washington could get left out of a P2 setup but now I think they could. By getting $100+ million payouts, the B1G and SEC are pricing almost everyone out of the market to join them. Notre Dame and Clemson, but then the rest of the list gets very questionable at the $100 million level.

Agreed. I think adding them definitely cements us as the #3 conference though, and that’s about the best case scenario for a lot of schools in this conference.

(07-19-2022 11:33 AM)Cyclones85 Wrote:  I never thought that Oregon and Washington could get left out of a P2 setup but now I think they could. By getting $100+ million payouts, the B1G and SEC are pricing almost everyone out of the market to join them. Notre Dame and Clemson, but then the rest of the list gets very questionable at the $100 million level.

This is what makes our Oklahoma State troll's posts so funny. If Oregon's not a sexy/big enough brand to make the P2 cut, nobody in the current Big 12 has a snowball's chance in hell.

Notre Dame is the only megabrand left on the table. Clemson would probably be next, but even they are more new blood than blue blood.

And if you're not on that level, you're not additive to a conference like the Big Ten or SEC.

(07-19-2022 02:43 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 11:33 AM)Cyclones85 Wrote:  I never thought that Oregon and Washington could get left out of a P2 setup but now I think they could. By getting $100+ million payouts, the B1G and SEC are pricing almost everyone out of the market to join them. Notre Dame and Clemson, but then the rest of the list gets very questionable at the $100 million level.

This is what makes our Oklahoma State troll's posts so funny. If Oregon's not a sexy/big enough brand to make the P2 cut, nobody in the current Big 12 has a snowball's chance in hell.

Notre Dame is the only megabrand left on the table. Clemson would probably be next, but even they are more new blood than blue blood.

And if you're not on that level, you're not additive to a conference like the Big Ten or SEC.

Kansas fans like to think that being AAU and a BB blue blood could get them into the B1G. I don't see that being worth anywhere near $100 million.

And with FSU, Miami, etc, you would have to be worried that you're getting the equivalent of Nebraska.

(07-19-2022 04:41 PM)Cyclones85 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 02:43 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 11:33 AM)Cyclones85 Wrote:  I never thought that Oregon and Washington could get left out of a P2 setup but now I think they could. By getting $100+ million payouts, the B1G and SEC are pricing almost everyone out of the market to join them. Notre Dame and Clemson, but then the rest of the list gets very questionable at the $100 million level.

This is what makes our Oklahoma State troll's posts so funny. If Oregon's not a sexy/big enough brand to make the P2 cut, nobody in the current Big 12 has a snowball's chance in hell.

Notre Dame is the only megabrand left on the table. Clemson would probably be next, but even they are more new blood than blue blood.

And if you're not on that level, you're not additive to a conference like the Big Ten or SEC.

Kansas fans like to think that being AAU and a BB blue blood could get them into the B1G. I don't see that being worth anywhere near $100 million.

And with FSU, Miami, etc, you would have to be worried that you're getting the equivalent of Nebraska.

There may have been a time when that was semi-feasible, but clearly that ship has sailed. Personally the only “Hail Mary” scenario of that sort that I’ve thought would be even close to possible is being the “add-in” with Notre Dame. But that’s not going to happen, and only ND in my opinion would have been a big enough partner to make it possible.

Been following this pretty closely mainly on the MWC forum as if they get raided enough there could be a chance Montana can move up. Taking into account all the rumors I'm curious if yall think this is the most likely scenario:

-BIG12 adds Utah, Colorado and the Arizonas. Based on some rumors it seems there is a chance Arizona being a basketball school could make the move alone. I think losing 1 more schools would encourage the other 3 to join them.

-Adding these 4 would being the BIG12 up to 16 teams where yall could adopt a Pod System similar to the SEC:
WEST: Utah, BYU, AZ, ASU
NORTH: ISU, Colorado, Kansas, KSU
SOUTH: Baylor, TTU, TCU, OSU
EAST: UCF, Houston, CINCY, WVU

Also been reported that the media deal negotiations for the PAC12 will be comparable to the BIG12, is there any word on yalls end about what it's looking like? Personally am hoping this happens as I want Utah to get away from the sinking ship that is the PAC and the issues certain schools bring.

(07-19-2022 10:02 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  Been following this pretty closely mainly on the MWC forum as if they get raided enough there could be a chance Montana can move up. Taking into account all the rumors I'm curious if yall think this is the most likely scenario:

-BIG12 adds Utah, Colorado and the Arizonas. Based on some rumors it seems there is a chance Arizona being a basketball school could make the move alone. I think losing 1 more schools would encourage the other 3 to join them.

-Adding these 4 would being the BIG12 up to 16 teams where yall could adopt a Pod System similar to the SEC:
WEST: Utah, BYU, AZ, ASU
NORTH: ISU, Colorado, Kansas, KSU
SOUTH: Baylor, TTU, TCU, OSU
EAST: UCF, Houston, CINCY, WVU

Also been reported that the media deal negotiations for the PAC12 will be comparable to the BIG12, is there any word on yalls end about what it's looking like? Personally am hoping this happens as I want Utah to get away from the sinking ship that is the PAC and the issues certain schools bring.

I would actually be shocked if that is the case. For me, the question is how much more is the B12 above the P12 media numbers? Throw in a potential deal with NBC to package with Notre Dame home games and that should be enough for Arizona [et al] to make the jump [among other reasons].