(05-11-2022 01:04 PM)HerdFanGuest Wrote: I think we're a bit too low (not saying we should be top 25, but top 50 for sure), I think the Cajuns are a little low, Troy seems to be way undervalued
Can't wait to see how the post season rankings from em look.
I’ve seen the comment about Troy being too low a couple times. That might proven true, but I’m guessing them having a new coach cost them some spots.
(05-12-2022 07:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Wells lost Marshal the App game? What a terrible take.
Your run defense and giving up 39 first downs was the problem.
Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
(05-10-2022 03:47 PM)MUther Wrote: So we beat App in 2020 at home pretty handily and lost to them by one point at their place in 2021 with a first year head coach, but we're 44 spots behind them in the rankings? Seems legit.
We beat them twice last year, combined score 65-29 and we are behind them. Obviously it’s not based off of last year or the year before.
Marshall beat us in 2020 with our first year head coach. Marshall also imploded at the end of that season and hasn’t fully recovered. Louisiana is replacing a future hall of fame coach and an awesome 4 year starting QB, not to mention other NFL talent leaving and transfers. App is mostly the same, but I can play this game. We beat Coastal last year and won the East and they are 8 spots ahead of us!!!!?? What?!!!’
We have recovered. We hired a new coach which you beat by one point last year, however it went down. Now Wells is gone. He was a large part of that meltdown and lost us several games in the final quarter, last year. How do you make that statement and not realize we had a first year head coach last year? This isn't about you being ranked higher. I just feel 44 spots, a third of FBS teams, is a big gap considering the games on the field did not reflect that difference. We hung with App, with a very mediocre team at their place. And we've both improved with experience for our HCs.
I also understand this isn't about past records. But these ranking sites consider us losing our QB as a liability when a whole lot of Herd fans feel we upgraded that position and upgraded a lot of skill positions, as well. And we got rid of a buffoon OC who just ran plays he wanted to and had no plan as to why. And we managed to keep one of the top running backs in the country. This is about knowing what we have in better detail than the guys glossing over our team for these articles. I don't necessarily expect us to be better than anyone. But I expect us to compete and be in a position to win any game. Realistically that's all anyone can hope for.
My comment was in reference to you discounting our win against your first year head coach but your win against our first year head coach was completely creditable and held more weight. I thought it was pretty easy to follow.
We could also point out our fumble into the end zone and missed 26 yard FG in 2020 and say we could have easily won that game.
Both games were tough battles, and either team could have gone 2-0 or 0-2.
(05-12-2022 07:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Wells lost Marshal the App game? What a terrible take.
Your run defense and giving up 39 first downs was the problem.
Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
(05-12-2022 07:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Wells lost Marshal the App game? What a terrible take.
Your run defense and giving up 39 first downs was the problem.
Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
I was referencing in general in regards to him, the part that applied to the app game was the inability to maintain drives for long periods of time, he was 18 for 33, barely over 50% and the running game didn't show up either for whatever reason. Yes we had issues at the line of scrimmage on defense last year, not enough beef and linebackers playing out of position at times. You guys, ECU and Louisiana exposed that weakness. We supposedly got help in that area via the portal for this year, time will tell.
(05-11-2022 01:04 PM)HerdFanGuest Wrote: I think we're a bit too low (not saying we should be top 25, but top 50 for sure), I think the Cajuns are a little low, Troy seems to be way undervalued
Can't wait to see how the post season rankings from em look.
I’ve seen the comment about Troy being too low a couple times. That might proven true, but I’m guessing them having a new coach cost them some spots.
Those who know, know that almost anyone would have been an upgrade.
(05-12-2022 07:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Wells lost Marshal the App game? What a terrible take.
Your run defense and giving up 39 first downs was the problem.
Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
I was referencing in general in regards to him, the part that applied to the app game was the inability to maintain drives for long periods of time, he was 18 for 33, barely over 50% and the running game didn't show up either for whatever reason. Yes we had issues at the line of scrimmage on defense last year, not enough beef and linebackers playing out of position at times. You guys, ECU and Louisiana exposed that weakness. We supposedly got help in that area via the portal for this year, time will tell.
Sometimes you just run into a defense that is better than your offense.
Our offense in 2020 sucked it up against Marshall defense who flat outplayed our O.
(05-12-2022 07:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Wells lost Marshal the App game? What a terrible take.
Your run defense and giving up 39 first downs was the problem.
Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
I was referencing in general in regards to him, the part that applied to the app game was the inability to maintain drives for long periods of time, he was 18 for 33, barely over 50% and the running game didn't show up either for whatever reason. Yes we had issues at the line of scrimmage on defense last year, not enough beef and linebackers playing out of position at times. You guys, ECU and Louisiana exposed that weakness. We supposedly got help in that area via the portal for this year, time will tell.
Sometimes you just run into a defense that is better than your offense.
Our offense in 2020 sucked it up against Marshall defense who flat outplayed our O.
Who was our offensive coordinator for that game and where did he come from?
(05-12-2022 07:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Wells lost Marshal the App game? What a terrible take.
Your run defense and giving up 39 first downs was the problem.
Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
I was referencing in general in regards to him, the part that applied to the app game was the inability to maintain drives for long periods of time, he was 18 for 33, barely over 50% and the running game didn't show up either for whatever reason. Yes we had issues at the line of scrimmage on defense last year, not enough beef and linebackers playing out of position at times. You guys, ECU and Louisiana exposed that weakness. We supposedly got help in that area via the portal for this year, time will tell.
Sometimes you just run into a defense that is better than your offense.
Our offense in 2020 sucked it up against Marshall defense who flat outplayed our O.
That very well could be the case, but what I am saying is Wells developed head boogers during the rice game of 2020 and never recovered. The poor kid would make some good throws and under pressure turn into a turn over machine. When he wasn't turning it over, he was killing drives. Was it all on him, I don't believe so. He definitely has his part but the OC was just as responsible in my opinion. This also falls on the HC, Huff should not have kept Cramsey when he took the reigns. I also have concerns of who he chose to replace Cramsey.
(05-12-2022 07:32 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote: Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
I was referencing in general in regards to him, the part that applied to the app game was the inability to maintain drives for long periods of time, he was 18 for 33, barely over 50% and the running game didn't show up either for whatever reason. Yes we had issues at the line of scrimmage on defense last year, not enough beef and linebackers playing out of position at times. You guys, ECU and Louisiana exposed that weakness. We supposedly got help in that area via the portal for this year, time will tell.
Sometimes you just run into a defense that is better than your offense.
Our offense in 2020 sucked it up against Marshall defense who flat outplayed our O.
Who was our offensive coordinator for that game and where did he come from?
Uh, that OC called a perfect play to get you all a TD, but you had a TE that was part of the Turd squad who can't hold on to the football.
(05-12-2022 08:48 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
I was referencing in general in regards to him, the part that applied to the app game was the inability to maintain drives for long periods of time, he was 18 for 33, barely over 50% and the running game didn't show up either for whatever reason. Yes we had issues at the line of scrimmage on defense last year, not enough beef and linebackers playing out of position at times. You guys, ECU and Louisiana exposed that weakness. We supposedly got help in that area via the portal for this year, time will tell.
Sometimes you just run into a defense that is better than your offense.
Our offense in 2020 sucked it up against Marshall defense who flat outplayed our O.
Who was our offensive coordinator for that game and where did he come from?
Uh, that OC called a perfect play to get you all a TD, but you had a TE that was part of the Turd squad who can't hold on to the football.
(05-11-2022 12:25 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: We beat them twice last year, combined score 65-29 and we are behind them. Obviously it’s not based off of last year or the year before.
Marshall beat us in 2020 with our first year head coach. Marshall also imploded at the end of that season and hasn’t fully recovered. Louisiana is replacing a future hall of fame coach and an awesome 4 year starting QB, not to mention other NFL talent leaving and transfers. App is mostly the same, but I can play this game. We beat Coastal last year and won the East and they are 8 spots ahead of us!!!!?? What?!!!’
We have recovered. We hired a new coach which you beat by one point last year, however it went down. Now Wells is gone. He was a large part of that meltdown and lost us several games in the final quarter, last year. How do you make that statement and not realize we had a first year head coach last year? This isn't about you being ranked higher. I just feel 44 spots, a third of FBS teams, is a big gap considering the games on the field did not reflect that difference. We hung with App, with a very mediocre team at their place. And we've both improved with experience for our HCs.
I also understand this isn't about past records. But these ranking sites consider us losing our QB as a liability when a whole lot of Herd fans feel we upgraded that position and upgraded a lot of skill positions, as well. And we got rid of a buffoon OC who just ran plays he wanted to and had no plan as to why. And we managed to keep one of the top running backs in the country. This is about knowing what we have in better detail than the guys glossing over our team for these articles. I don't necessarily expect us to be better than anyone. But I expect us to compete and be in a position to win any game. Realistically that's all anyone can hope for.
My comment was in reference to you discounting our win against your first year head coach but your win against our first year head coach was completely creditable and held more weight. I thought it was pretty easy to follow.
We could also point out our fumble into the end zone and missed 26 yard FG in 2020 and say we could have easily won that game.
Both games were tough battles, and either team could have gone 2-0 or 0-2.
None of it means a thing for 2022 though.
Those things would only have tied the game. Was a 10 point win.
(05-12-2022 07:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: Wells lost Marshal the App game? What a terrible take.
Your run defense and giving up 39 first downs was the problem.
Actually it was both. Wells turning the ball over and not establishing drives. When you only run 3 plays and send the defense back out on the field, over and over, there is a problem. That kid wasn't the same since the Rice game of 2020, had the mechanics, but something messed his head up. Doesn't matter how good the defense is, if you keep them on the field for 75% of the game, you're gonna lose.
Did we watch the same game. Marshall had zero turnovers.
The blaming Wells narrative isn't hunting. Marshall was +2 in turnovers and just couldn't stop Nate Noel.
I didn't say Wells lost us that game with turnovers. I said he was a liability here more than a liability gone. The rankers see us losing our QB as a problem for us where many of us see it as a plus. He did have a lot of turnovers last season that did cost us games. Like 4th quarter redzone interceptions. But he and our inept OC did fail to move the ball to keep the defense off the field for a break. Both gone. Will be a better situation for us. You guys are looking for something I said that slights you in some way. It's not there. I just don't believe you are 44 spots better than us and I understand why they ranked it that way. I just believe they are wrong. Wells crumbles under any kind of pressure. We are better without him. And the only information we have to assess their rankings are games you've played vs us. It is 1-1, with a close game at your place. And also a similar outcome vs the cheap-shotting whores of Louisiana.
(05-12-2022 09:25 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote: I was referencing in general in regards to him, the part that applied to the app game was the inability to maintain drives for long periods of time, he was 18 for 33, barely over 50% and the running game didn't show up either for whatever reason. Yes we had issues at the line of scrimmage on defense last year, not enough beef and linebackers playing out of position at times. You guys, ECU and Louisiana exposed that weakness. We supposedly got help in that area via the portal for this year, time will tell.
Sometimes you just run into a defense that is better than your offense.
Our offense in 2020 sucked it up against Marshall defense who flat outplayed our O.
Who was our offensive coordinator for that game and where did he come from?
Uh, that OC called a perfect play to get you all a TD, but you had a TE that was part of the Turd squad who can't hold on to the football.
That didn’t answer the question
Okay then, you had Tony Petersen from Marshall and he called a perfect play to get you all a TD, but you had a TE that was part of the Turd squad who can't hold on to the football.
(05-11-2022 11:23 AM)ericsaid Wrote: Coastal has a potential 1st round draft pick at quarterback. With their schedule they are right where they should be.
Was a 10 point win.
![[Image: proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg...19b9ec405b]](https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fe6%2Fd8%2F8d%2Fe6d88d06c3df93466ebb5c2278ccd997.gif&sp=1652565153Teb80c048802ae531608dbde8ffc9fcd239f0c55a69ed3f4407871c19b9ec405b)