(05-09-2022 05:21 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 04:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Do you really think there are NATO troops in Ukraine?

If there's so many Americans and Frenchmen and Poles in Ukraine, why has Russia only captured ethnic Ukrainian POW's?

I mean, there are definitely Americans along with volunteers from a slew of other countries currently fighting in Ukraine. One of Canada's best snipers (Wali) made the trip out there to help with the fight:

Quote:Wali, who has been in Ukraine for five weeks, is one of several thousand foreigners who have heeded the Ukrainian government’s call for outside help against the Russian invader. But he is not just any volunteer. His story has made media headlines since the beginning of the conflict, although some of the claims have little basis in reality, as he himself admits. “The best sniper in the world at the service of Ukraine,” headlined one French magazine. “He can kill 40 soldiers in one day,” claimed an Indian digital news site. “He holds the record for long-range killing at 3,540 meters,” asserted a Spanish daily.

https://english.elpais.com/international...raine.html

But that doesn't mean there are troops fighting under the NATO banner in Ukraine. And these seem to be actual volunteers rather than the "volunteers" Russia sent into Ukraine in 2014.

And the article CBC had about him a vastly different picture of the war than American media is presenting.

(05-09-2022 05:21 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 04:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Do you really think there are NATO troops in Ukraine?

If there's so many Americans and Frenchmen and Poles in Ukraine, why has Russia only captured ethnic Ukrainian POW's?

I mean, there are definitely Americans along with volunteers from a slew of other countries currently fighting in Ukraine. One of Canada's best snipers (Wali) made the trip out there to help with the fight:

Quote:Wali, who has been in Ukraine for five weeks, is one of several thousand foreigners who have heeded the Ukrainian government’s call for outside help against the Russian invader. But he is not just any volunteer. His story has made media headlines since the beginning of the conflict, although some of the claims have little basis in reality, as he himself admits. “The best sniper in the world at the service of Ukraine,” headlined one French magazine. “He can kill 40 soldiers in one day,” claimed an Indian digital news site. “He holds the record for long-range killing at 3,540 meters,” asserted a Spanish daily.

https://english.elpais.com/international...raine.html

But that doesn't mean there are troops fighting under the NATO banner in Ukraine. And these seem to be actual volunteers rather than the "volunteers" Russia sent into Ukraine in 2014.

Oh sure, there's individuals from many countries.

But they're individuals, not units. And they're a tiny fraction of the fighting force.

If NATO troops are doing the majority of Ukraine's defense, why wouldn't Putin be showing the faces of foreign POWs all over TV like he's showing the faces of Ukrainian POWs?

(05-09-2022 04:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 03:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:03 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 11:31 AM)Todor Wrote:  According to his American PR firm. Every word out of his mouth comes from them. He’s an actor. Nothing more, nothing less.

Every politician has to be a good actor.

But Zelensky has shown other skills too. For example, "I need ammunition, not a ride" are the words of a fighter and a genuine leader, not an actor.

And even you've got to admit that Ukraine has done a decent job managing the war. Ukraine is a dirt poor kleptocracy, and yet they've somehow held onto 90% of their country against a world superpower that is 10x their size.

I'm sure you'll give credit for that to NATO weapons. But even with NATO weapons, Ukraine is still heavily outgunned by Russia. And all the weapons in the world don't do a lick of good if the war is poorly managed (see France in 1940 or Gallipoli in 1915 or Russia in 1905 for examples).

Ukraine hasn’t done anything. NATO has. Ukraine isn’t using the weapons. Foreigners are. NATO is. They say they aren’t seeking a conflict with Russia and are strictly defensive, but they jump into a war with Russia the first chance it gets voluntarily. No wonder Russia knows they were in the crosshairs all along. Everything nato does regarding Russia has been aggressive for decades.

Do you really think there are NATO troops in Ukraine?

If there's so many Americans and Frenchmen and Poles in Ukraine, why has Russia only captured ethnic Ukrainian POW's?

They haven’t only captured Ukrainians. Where did you read that? USA Today? I have never once read that no captured soldiers were from other countries.

And just curious, which countries would be bragging about putting soldiers there officially? Is there a secret list of countries that tell all of their failures? I have not run across such a list.

But nice attempt at the straw man. You really had me…

(05-09-2022 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:21 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 04:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Do you really think there are NATO troops in Ukraine?

If there's so many Americans and Frenchmen and Poles in Ukraine, why has Russia only captured ethnic Ukrainian POW's?

I mean, there are definitely Americans along with volunteers from a slew of other countries currently fighting in Ukraine. One of Canada's best snipers (Wali) made the trip out there to help with the fight:

Quote:Wali, who has been in Ukraine for five weeks, is one of several thousand foreigners who have heeded the Ukrainian government’s call for outside help against the Russian invader. But he is not just any volunteer. His story has made media headlines since the beginning of the conflict, although some of the claims have little basis in reality, as he himself admits. “The best sniper in the world at the service of Ukraine,” headlined one French magazine. “He can kill 40 soldiers in one day,” claimed an Indian digital news site. “He holds the record for long-range killing at 3,540 meters,” asserted a Spanish daily.

https://english.elpais.com/international...raine.html

But that doesn't mean there are troops fighting under the NATO banner in Ukraine. And these seem to be actual volunteers rather than the "volunteers" Russia sent into Ukraine in 2014.

Oh sure, there's individuals from many countries.

But they're individuals, not units. And they're a tiny fraction of the fighting force.

If NATO troops are doing the majority of Ukraine's defense, why wouldn't Putin be showing the faces of foreign POWs all over TV like he's showing the faces of Ukrainian POWs?

Something tells me I watch more Russian news than you.

(05-09-2022 05:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:21 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 04:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Do you really think there are NATO troops in Ukraine?

If there's so many Americans and Frenchmen and Poles in Ukraine, why has Russia only captured ethnic Ukrainian POW's?

I mean, there are definitely Americans along with volunteers from a slew of other countries currently fighting in Ukraine. One of Canada's best snipers (Wali) made the trip out there to help with the fight:

Quote:Wali, who has been in Ukraine for five weeks, is one of several thousand foreigners who have heeded the Ukrainian government’s call for outside help against the Russian invader. But he is not just any volunteer. His story has made media headlines since the beginning of the conflict, although some of the claims have little basis in reality, as he himself admits. “The best sniper in the world at the service of Ukraine,” headlined one French magazine. “He can kill 40 soldiers in one day,” claimed an Indian digital news site. “He holds the record for long-range killing at 3,540 meters,” asserted a Spanish daily.

https://english.elpais.com/international...raine.html

But that doesn't mean there are troops fighting under the NATO banner in Ukraine. And these seem to be actual volunteers rather than the "volunteers" Russia sent into Ukraine in 2014.

Oh sure, there's individuals from many countries.

But they're individuals, not units. And they're a tiny fraction of the fighting force.

If NATO troops are doing the majority of Ukraine's defense, why wouldn't Putin be showing the faces of foreign POWs all over TV like he's showing the faces of Ukrainian POWs?

Something tells me I watch more Russian news than you.

Something tells me you watch little else and apparently unquestionably believe it all. Remember when they said the troops were on their way home and had no intention of attacking (it was just "NATO disinformation")? You not only swallowed that whopper---you've completely forgotten that you swallowed it. Simply amazing.

Here’s a Us veterans publication. Are they lying? It was a 3 second search engine job to find multiple examples. You don’t know and you don’t want to know apparently.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/15...ne-klimov/

Something tells me you all aren’t as stupid as you’re pretending to be and just trying to be argumentative.

(05-09-2022 05:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:21 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 04:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Do you really think there are NATO troops in Ukraine?

If there's so many Americans and Frenchmen and Poles in Ukraine, why has Russia only captured ethnic Ukrainian POW's?

I mean, there are definitely Americans along with volunteers from a slew of other countries currently fighting in Ukraine. One of Canada's best snipers (Wali) made the trip out there to help with the fight:

Quote:Wali, who has been in Ukraine for five weeks, is one of several thousand foreigners who have heeded the Ukrainian government’s call for outside help against the Russian invader. But he is not just any volunteer. His story has made media headlines since the beginning of the conflict, although some of the claims have little basis in reality, as he himself admits. “The best sniper in the world at the service of Ukraine,” headlined one French magazine. “He can kill 40 soldiers in one day,” claimed an Indian digital news site. “He holds the record for long-range killing at 3,540 meters,” asserted a Spanish daily.

https://english.elpais.com/international...raine.html

But that doesn't mean there are troops fighting under the NATO banner in Ukraine. And these seem to be actual volunteers rather than the "volunteers" Russia sent into Ukraine in 2014.

Oh sure, there's individuals from many countries.

But they're individuals, not units. And they're a tiny fraction of the fighting force.

If NATO troops are doing the majority of Ukraine's defense, why wouldn't Putin be showing the faces of foreign POWs all over TV like he's showing the faces of Ukrainian POWs?

Something tells me I watch more Russian news than you.

Something tells me you watch little else and apparently unquestionably believe it all.

When you know as many language as I do, you aren’t dependent on a handful of sources. The smart person takes in information from a variety of opposing points of view and decides for themself what is most likely and which source is most credible.

American media is like any other and gets stories wrong all the time, ignores major news that doesn’t fit their narrative, and has outside pressures over what news to cover and how to cover it.

Most Americans dont watch enough foreign news to be savvy enough to be a good judge.

Only a complete idiot trusts or distrusts a media source because a nationality tag attached to it. There is Russian media I trust a lot, and Russian media I know is promoting a certain voice or other. Is a publication attached to a certain person or political party, for example.

Do people here trust the newsletter of the Scientology based on it being American? Do I trust Russian equivalents of the Enquirer? Labeling something by a nationality is an an extremely simplistic, naive, and foolish way to judge information. Carry on though. You deserve the information you get.

(05-09-2022 05:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  Here’s a Us veterans publication. Are they lying? It was a 3 second search engine job to find multiple examples. You don’t know and you don’t want to know apparently.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/15...ne-klimov/

Something tells me you all aren’t as stupid as you’re pretending to be and just trying to be argumentative.

Is that really your best source? The only name that article lists is Aiden Aslin.

Aslin is a dual British-Ukrainian citizen, has a Ukrainian fiance, and has been in the Ukrainian Marines for four years. He's clearly not fighting as part of an organized UK effort.

You're starting out pretty far behind if that's your best piece of evidence.

(05-09-2022 05:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  Here’s a Us veterans publication. Are they lying? It was a 3 second search engine job to find multiple examples. You don’t know and you don’t want to know apparently.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/15...ne-klimov/

Something tells me you all aren’t as stupid as you’re pretending to be and just trying to be argumentative.

Is that really your best source? The only name that article lists is Aiden Aslin.

Aslin is a dual British-Ukrainian citizen, has a Ukrainian fiance, and has been in the Ukrainian Marines for four years. He's clearly not fighting as part of an organized UK effort.

You're starting out pretty far behind if that's your best piece of evidence.

And you hadn’t either bother to google it to see if there was any evidence and are here stating with all the confidence in the world what is true. I have you something to your level. Sorry, but that’s all you’ll get from me until I know that even bother to look yourself. You just aren’t worth more than that because you aren’t truly interested.

If Russia does have nato country citizens as pows and I believe they do, they are not interested in simply using them to win todays “gotcha” challenge on the internet. If I were Russia, I would keep them and keep them secret as long as possible. The west will have to admit they were sent there in order to ask Russia for them back. Why would Russia announce anything?

(05-09-2022 05:47 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:21 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I mean, there are definitely Americans along with volunteers from a slew of other countries currently fighting in Ukraine. One of Canada's best snipers (Wali) made the trip out there to help with the fight:


https://english.elpais.com/international...raine.html

But that doesn't mean there are troops fighting under the NATO banner in Ukraine. And these seem to be actual volunteers rather than the "volunteers" Russia sent into Ukraine in 2014.

Oh sure, there's individuals from many countries.

But they're individuals, not units. And they're a tiny fraction of the fighting force.

If NATO troops are doing the majority of Ukraine's defense, why wouldn't Putin be showing the faces of foreign POWs all over TV like he's showing the faces of Ukrainian POWs?

Something tells me I watch more Russian news than you.

Something tells me you watch little else and apparently unquestionably believe it all.

When you know as many language as I do, you aren’t dependent on a handful of sources. The smart person takes in information from a variety of opposing points of view and decides for themself what is most likely and which source is most credible.

American media is like any other and gets stories wrong all the time, ignores major news that doesn’t fit their narrative, and has outside pressures over what news to cover and how to cover it.

Most Americans fo t watch enough foreign news to be savvy enough to be a good judge.

Only a complete idiot trusts or distrusts a media source because a nationality tag attached to it. There is Russian media I trust a lot, and Russian media I know is promoting a certain voice or other. Is a publication attached to a certain person or political party, for example.

Do people here trust the newsletter of the Scientology based on it being American? Do I trust Russian equivalents of the Enquirer? Labeling something by a nationality is an an extremely simplistic, naive, and foolish way to judge information. Carry on though. You deserve the information you get.

Well---lets just look at the track record. Your reliable sources told us there was no Russian troop buildup at all--it was just the normal troop distribution---remember? Then they claimed it was just an exercise and that NATO was lying about their intent to attack. Then your sources said the extra troop numbers (that originally didnt exist) were headed home and that no attack was planned. Remember?

Thus far, western and other international sources out of relatively neutral nations like India---have been far more accurate than anything coming out of Russia (especially since they effectively shut down all non-state media).

(05-09-2022 06:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:47 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Oh sure, there's individuals from many countries.

But they're individuals, not units. And they're a tiny fraction of the fighting force.

If NATO troops are doing the majority of Ukraine's defense, why wouldn't Putin be showing the faces of foreign POWs all over TV like he's showing the faces of Ukrainian POWs?

Something tells me I watch more Russian news than you.

Something tells me you watch little else and apparently unquestionably believe it all.

When you know as many language as I do, you aren’t dependent on a handful of sources. The smart person takes in information from a variety of opposing points of view and decides for themself what is most likely and which source is most credible.

American media is like any other and gets stories wrong all the time, ignores major news that doesn’t fit their narrative, and has outside pressures over what news to cover and how to cover it.

Most Americans fo t watch enough foreign news to be savvy enough to be a good judge.

Only a complete idiot trusts or distrusts a media source because a nationality tag attached to it. There is Russian media I trust a lot, and Russian media I know is promoting a certain voice or other. Is a publication attached to a certain person or political party, for example.

Do people here trust the newsletter of the Scientology based on it being American? Do I trust Russian equivalents of the Enquirer? Labeling something by a nationality is an an extremely simplistic, naive, and foolish way to judge information. Carry on though. You deserve the information you get.

Well---lets just look at the track record. Your reliable sources told us there was no Russian troop buildup at all--it was just the normal troop distribution---remember? Then they claimed it was just an exercise and that NATO was lying about their intent to attack. Then your sources said the extra troop numbers (that originally didnt exist) were headed home and that no attack was planned. Remember?

Thus far, western and other international sources out of relatively neutral nations like India---have been far more accurate than anything coming out of Russia (especially since they effectively shut down all non-state media).

Who knew the new nations of Donetsk and Luhansk would declare independence, ask for Russias protection from another new offensive Ukraine was planning.

Who knew the US was loading up Ukraine to hilt with weapons to and already had the green light to start a huge war? Probably Russian intelligence, but not the media. Things change, plans change, there are no guarantees in life.

Did the US media report that the taliban they created would later kill tens of thousands of Americans? No because they didn’t know it yet. It played out that way but it is t the medias job to report thing a that have happened yet.

Last I checked, the media reports the news. They don’t predict the future. It was a fluid situation. Russians have had war games countless times before and have been accused to planning attacks countless times before. The media didn’t know about Ukraines American bio weapons labs yet either….

Actually, scratch what I said earlier. There cannot be any NATO country POWs because mercenaries aren’t classified as such and can just be killed.

While that would be a fitting ending for those captured, smart strategy would ensure you get something for their return.

So, while westerners are being held captive by Russians, they aren’t POWs. Sorry for the confusion on what I meant.

(05-09-2022 06:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  Actually, scratch what I said earlier. There cannot be any NATO country POWs because mercenaries aren’t classified as such and can just be killed.

While that would be a fitting ending for those captured, smart strategy would ensure you get something for their return.

So, while westerners are being held captive by Russians, they aren’t POWs. Sorry for the confusion on what I meant.

Yeah. They are mercenaries. Its gonna get ugly

No. He is not the saint he is being made out to be. I just know Putin is murdering POS. That is undeniable...even to our resident Russian apologist here. I wish nothing but the worst imaginable death for him and his sycophants.

(05-09-2022 07:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No. He is not the saint he is being made out to be. I just know Putin is murdering POS. That is undeniable...even to our resident Russian apologist here. I wish nothing but the worst imaginable death for him and his sycophants.

The idea that one is a Putin apologist because one thinks Zelinksy is a douche and a Soros puppet is perplexing to me.

I guess it comforts people to have a hero and a villian. Seeing a dichotomy must be reassuring to folks.

(05-09-2022 07:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No. He is not the saint he is being made out to be. I just know Putin is murdering POS. That is undeniable...even to our resident Russian apologist here. I wish nothing but the worst imaginable death for him and his sycophants.

Want to name the last US president who wasn’t a murdering POS, a crook, a liar, and in bed with all kinds of the worst people the world has to offer?

If Russia was trading in the US dollar and didn’t control their own central bank, they could make the Saudis look like Denmark and it would never make the news here. None of has anything to with Putin, supposed killings, or anything else that happens there. It’s a money issue.

The Saudi’s have been bombing Yemen for years now and the US and Britain barely say a word because the Saudis prop up the dollar. And you know it’s true. It has nothing to do with Putin.

(05-09-2022 07:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 07:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No. He is not the saint he is being made out to be. I just know Putin is murdering POS. That is undeniable...even to our resident Russian apologist here. I wish nothing but the worst imaginable death for him and his sycophants.

The idea that one is a Putin apologist because one thinks Zelinksy is a douche and a Soros puppet is perplexing to me.

I guess it comforts people to have a hero and a villian. Seeing a dichotomy must be reassuring to folks.

Consider the minds at work here. They are exactly what this country needs to remain as it is. Even black and white is stretching it.

If 50 Shades of Grey wasn’t about sex, it wouldn’t have sold ten copies in this country . And we’ve all seen what happens when Americans are asked to deal with color.

Putin is nothing but a small man with a Peter the Great complex. Same as Hitler he is a murdering tyrant using media control and propaganda to whip his populace into a frenzy over a contrived threat. Only problem for the little tyrant is his war machine is not backed by German engineering. His army is not a disciplined organization. His generals are thieves not leaders and he is not Napoleon. If the little murdering twit were to actually go up against NATO he wouldn’t last the week.

Again, NO ONE WAS GOING TO INVADE RUSSIA. THERE IS NOTHING THERE ANYONE WANTS! Todar is a fool to even momentarily believe that bullchit.

(05-10-2022 03:20 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Putin is nothing but a small man with a Peter the Great complex. Same as Hitler he is a murdering tyrant using media control and propaganda to whip his populace into a frenzy over a contrived threat. Only problem for the little tyrant is his war machine is not backed by German engineering. His army is not a disciplined organization. His generals are thieves not leaders and he is not Napoleon. If the little murdering twit were to actually go up against NATO he wouldn’t last the week.

Again, NO ONE WAS GOING TO INVADE RUSSIA. THERE IS NOTHING THERE ANYONE WANTS! Todar is a fool to even momentarily believe that bullchit.

So, he’s more like Americans than most countries presidents, but that doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t want to invade Russia again. The only people who think america doesn’t invade one country after another after another are the American public who pay for it.

Again, Putin would be a saint to america if he used the dollar.

(05-10-2022 03:20 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Putin is nothing but a small man with a Peter the Great complex. Same as Hitler he is a murdering tyrant using media control and propaganda to whip his populace into a frenzy over a contrived threat. Only problem for the little tyrant is his war machine is not backed by German engineering. His army is not a disciplined organization. His generals are thieves not leaders and he is not Napoleon. If the little murdering twit were to actually go up against NATO he wouldn’t last the week.

Again, NO ONE WAS GOING TO INVADE RUSSIA. THERE IS NOTHING THERE ANYONE WANTS! Todar is a fool to even momentarily believe that bullchit.

I agree with your assessment on Putin and his war machine. HOWEVER, it appears that your are saying that Putin is the exception to the rule of otherwise more measured and disciplined leaders in the majority of other countries. Putin is not the exception, and sadly most NATO leaders are just like Putin.

• U.S.: Democrats and Biden use the MSM as their own propaganda arm plus use Big Tech to supress info that contradicts their views and posiitions
• Canada: Trudeau suppressed a peaceful protest and used a compliant media plus the aparatus of gov't to squash it - all because it disagrees with his positions and views
• Australia: You see what has been going on in that country - draconian control of the populace by the gov't
• Free speech limits by virtually all western countries: You see how this is playing out where Europe, Canada, Australia and by proxy (thru big tech) the suppression of "hate" speech...
  

The majority of the world has been using Covid as an excuse seize more gov't control in order to suppress (oppress?) people.