Each year we lose recruits that would be major contributors for us (and very successful CAA athletes) to P5 schools where they languish on the bench.

I don’t have an opinion of the specific players being discussed but as a general rule I am quite happy with transferring in P5 kids with multiple years of eligibility remaining.

When I have long left this mortal coil and we are truly an A10 caliber MBB program then maybe that viewpoint would no longer apply.


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(05-09-2022 10:59 AM)Sic Semper Tyrranis Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 09:33 AM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  Dorsey also had multiple SEC, ACC, & Big East offers out of high school from Tennessee, Miami (FL), Providence, Xavier and Wake Forest, among others.

Would love to see him in green and gold.


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I don’t understand why a 22 game season with 17% shooting from the field translates into anything other than that is the player who he is.
Sure there could be some regression/progression from mean. He was 2-27 from 3 and 4 for 7 from 2. No made 3s in SEC play. Conference change ? Luke Loewe transferred conferences and his shooting % were essentially the same as in CAA. He needs to do more than shoot. He is not a shooter. Has a summer to work on it.

One of the best unbiased sources is Verbal Commits who has him as a 3* recruit out of high school. If we sign him then it would be our second 3* pickup. We had none.


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Welcome to the Tribe, Gabe!!! Nice job coaches!!!

https://twitter.com/gabedorsey21/status/...GcEoWi0p0g


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(05-09-2022 06:15 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  Welcome to the Tribe, Gabe!!! Nice job coaches!!!

https://twitter.com/gabedorsey21/status/...GcEoWi0p0g


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Hell yes! Well done to Dane and staff and welcome to the Tribe, Gabe!

SG/SF Gabe Dorsey 6'6 215lbs Westminster, MD
Another high ceiling kid that got little play in his freshman year at Vanderbilt. Much like Noah Collier, he was highly touted out of high school (Top 150 nationally ranked in the 2021 class. Listed as a 3* or a 4*). He is a rising Sophomore, so he should have 3 years remaining to help build out a young core. Big and athletic southpaw with fluid guard skills. He is best known for his shooting stroke. On a team lacking consistent outside shooting, he is as good an addition as one could hope for. Holds the record at the Hill School (Chase Audige's school as well) for 3pt shots made in only 3 seasons. His shooting is his standout trait, but the word that comes to mind for him is "solid". He does a little of everything well. Dad played at VMI and Towson & older brother is a rising Jr at Penn State (future transfer possibilities?)
High school Jr highlights https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10383068/5e...0c84ba6c7f

Excellent job! Looking forwards to watching him play in Williamsburg for the next 3 years.

https://www.si.com/college/recruiting/ba...stackhouse

(Years of Eligibility Left, Years before Graduation) | Height | Player Name

Transfers Coming to the CAA (and previous school):
CofC: (1,0)Y 6’3 Pat Robinson III(West Liberty), (1,0)Y 6’1 Ryan Larson (Wofford), (1,0)Y 6’8 Ira Lee (GW), (3,3)Y 6’9 Ante Brzovic (SE OK ST), (3,3) 6’5 Jaylon Scott (Bethel)
Delaware: (2,1)Y 6’6 Christian Ray (La Salle), (1,0) 6’3 LJ Owens (UMBC)
Elon: (1,0)Y 6’0 Sean Halloran (Belmont Abbey)
Hofstra: (2,1)Y 6’2 Tyler Thomas (Sacred Heart), (1,0) 6’4 Bryce Washington (Penn), (1,0)Y 6’8 Nelson Boachie-Yiadom (Davidson), (3,2) 6’6 German Plotnikov (North Platte CC)
Towson: (4,3)Y 6’1 Ryan Conway (Seton Hall), (1,0)Y 6’5 Sekou Sylla (Nova Southeastern)
UNCW: (3,3)Y 6’8 Eric van der Heijden (Ole Miss), (3,2)Y 6’6 Nick Farrar (CofC), (2,1)Y 6’7 Maleeck Harden-Hayes (NDSU)
WM: (3,2)Y 6’8 Noah Collier (Pitt), (3,2) 6’5 Matteus Case (Providence), (1,0)Y 6’3 Chris Mullins (Rice), (1,0)Y 6’0 Anders Nelson (St Thomas), (3,3) 6’6 Gabe Dorsey (Vanderbilt)

CAA Players in the Portal (and destination school):
CofC: 2Y 6’2 Brenden Tucker (Georgia St), 3Y 6’5 Nikita Evdokimov, (3,2)Y 6’6 Nick Farrar (UNCW)
Delaware: 3Y 6’9 Andrew Carr (Wake Forest)
Drexel: 1Y 6’2 Camren Wynter (Penn St), 3Y 6’3 Xavier Bell (Wichita St), 1Y 6’2 Tre Brown, 3Y 6’3 Ata Atsuren
Elon: 2Y 6’5 Hunter Woods (Portland St), 2Y 6’2 Hunter McIntosh (Nevada), 3Y 6’0 Darius Burford (Illinois St), 3Y 6’8 Michael Graham (Loyola Marymount)
Hofstra: 3Y 6’6 Kvonn Cramer (Bryant), 2Y 6’3 Caleb Burgess (UNC Asheville), 1Y 6’3 Omar Silverio (Manhattan)
Northeastern: 2Y 6’5 Quirin Emanga, 3Y 6’9 Connor Braun, 1Y 6’8 Jason Strong, 2Y 6’4 Vito Cubrilo, 1Y 6’5 Tyreek Scott-Grayson (ODU), 1Y 6’6 Shaquille Walters
Towson: 3Y 6’5 Darrick Jones Jr, 3Y 5’11 Tyler Gill, 1Y 6’5 Cam Holden
UNCW: 1Y 6’6 Khadim Samb
WM: 1Y 6’9 Mehkel Harvey, 3Y 6’1 Yuri Covington (Chipola), 3Y 6’6 Julian Lewis (Miami OH), 1 Y 6’7 Quinn Blair, 3Y 6’5 Connor Kochera (Davidson), 3Y 6’10 Langdon Hatton (Bellarmine)

Players of interest:
(4,2)Y 6’4 Kent Olewiler, Newman (Bollinger 3/6)
(1,0)Y 6’2 Anthony Cooper, Caldwell (Howland* 3/7) -> Marist
(1,0)Y 6’1 Xavier Rhodes, Florida Southern (Howland* 3/15, third party tweet 3/25) -> NKU
(3,2)Y 6’10 Eric Northweather, Truman St (Howland* 3/15, 3/21)
(2,0)Y 6’9 Arashma Parks, Temple (liked tweet 3/17)
(1,0)Y 6’3 Quinn Nelson, SW Baptist (Howland 3/23)
(1,0)Y 6’5 Caleb Fuller, UC Davis (Boatner 3/24, Bollinger 3/27, third party tweet 4/3)
(1,0)Y 6’3 Kareem Clark, Alabama St (Bollinger* 4/12)
(2,1)Y 6’4 Rob Perry, Stetson (Howland 4/13) -> Murray St
(3,2)Y 6’2 Julien Smith Jr., Missouri S&T (Howland 4/14)
(2,2)Y 6’8 Jayvion Rucker, Emmanuel (Howland* 4/20)
(3,3)Y 6’6 Gabe Dorsey, Vanderbilt (Bollinger 4/22) -> WM!
(2,0)Y 6’8 Ben Gahlert, Limestone (third party tweet) -> returning
(2,1)Y 6’4 Steven Verplancken Jr, Southern Illinois (third party tweet)
(3,2)Y 6’9 Reece Brown, UNLV (Bollinger 4/30)
(2,1)Y 6’0 Rahsaan Edwards, SC State (Bollinger* 5/3)

This looks like a great signing! I love the 3 years left and the P5 pedigree.

Probably need to add Monmouth, Hampton, NC A&T and Stony Brook to the list, since they will be in the league next season.

Feel older and older everyday with not wanting to adjust to the pace of change these days.

(05-09-2022 12:33 PM)billymac Wrote:  Skills can be taught, talent is a gift. Get as many "talented" players as you can round up and then teach them to shoot.

Okay, but you’re asking a group of coaches, who failed to make a single player shoot better, to help this kid. That reads pretty cruel but I’m not wrong.

At this point, I want to be wrong and watch this staff train every Tribe player to shoot lights out.

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(05-09-2022 06:41 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  SG/SF Gabe Dorsey 6'6 215lbs Westminster, MD
Another high ceiling kid that got little play in his freshman year at Vanderbilt. Much like Noah Collier, he was highly touted out of high school (Top 150 nationally ranked in the 2021 class. Listed as a 3* or a 4*). He is a rising Sophomore, so he should have 3 years remaining to help build out a young core. Big and athletic southpaw with fluid guard skills. He is best known for his shooting stroke. On a team lacking consistent outside shooting, he is as good an addition as one could hope for. Holds the record at the Hill School (Chase Audige's school as well) for 3pt shots made in only 3 seasons. His shooting is his standout trait, but the word that comes to mind for him is "solid". He does a little of everything well. Dad played at VMI and Towson & older brother is a rising Jr at Penn State (future transfer possibilities?)
High school Jr highlights https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10383068/5e...0c84ba6c7f

I hope you are right.
He has a stroke reminiscent of Adrian Branch an unorthodox lefty who excelled despite shooting from his side. I do not like his form: doesn’t square up, doesn’t release at high point, pushes the ball, and he ends up sideways as he shoots. If it goes in it counts. Makes one wonder if Stackhouse corrected his form last year and his shot stopped goin in.

Gabe filled a critical slot and with his addition our team this fall has great potential. We have clearly upgraded our roster from this past year with two 3* transfers and a total of 5 transfers plus 5 freshmen joining us this fall. Congratulations to the coaching staff for a job well done!


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Maybe mine isn't the most popular opinion, but I think most of these newcomers will be solid enough shooters. Dorsey has high level shooting potential. Nelson and Case are capable of hitting the open 3. Mullins is more of a penetrator. Collier shouldn't be shooting perimeter shots. Is the shooting enough? I'm not sure. But I do think the players we've brought in are better shooters than what we lost.

(05-09-2022 08:42 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  Maybe mine isn't the most popular opinion, but I think most of these newcomers will be solid enough shooters. Dorsey has high level shooting potential. Nelson and Case are capable of hitting the open 3. Mullins is more of a penetrator. Collier shouldn't be shooting perimeter shots. Is the shooting enough? I'm not sure. But I do think the players we've brought in are better shooters than what we lost.

Most of these guys will probably be in the business school. Maybe there is some data analytics that can be brought to bear:)

Is Rainers scholarship officially available?

Aka: Do we still have one more scholarship to use?

PS: It’s going to be so weird having almost no clue what we have with this team at all until a couple games are played since 10/14 players on the team right now are brand new to the school.

It’s going to be a new kind of challenge for Dane
and the staff to figure out our best lineups and rotations and I sure hope they are up to that challenge, but I’m not very optimistic about that from what we’ve seen so far, but hope I’m wrong.


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(05-09-2022 08:19 PM)Sic Semper Tyrranis Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 06:41 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  SG/SF Gabe Dorsey 6'6 215lbs Westminster, MD
Another high ceiling kid that got little play in his freshman year at Vanderbilt. Much like Noah Collier, he was highly touted out of high school (Top 150 nationally ranked in the 2021 class. Listed as a 3* or a 4*). He is a rising Sophomore, so he should have 3 years remaining to help build out a young core. Big and athletic southpaw with fluid guard skills. He is best known for his shooting stroke. On a team lacking consistent outside shooting, he is as good an addition as one could hope for. Holds the record at the Hill School (Chase Audige's school as well) for 3pt shots made in only 3 seasons. His shooting is his standout trait, but the word that comes to mind for him is "solid". He does a little of everything well. Dad played at VMI and Towson & older brother is a rising Jr at Penn State (future transfer possibilities?)
High school Jr highlights https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10383068/5e...0c84ba6c7f

I hope you are right.
He has a stroke reminiscent of Adrian Branch an unorthodox lefty who excelled despite shooting from his side. I do not like his form: doesn’t square up, doesn’t release at high point, pushes the ball, and he ends up sideways as he shoots. If it goes in it counts. Makes one wonder if Stackhouse corrected his form last year and his shot stopped goin in.

Interesting observation. Hope Dorsey can figure it out. I remember P5 defenders (especially UVA) picking off Dixon's stroke at the bottom since he started so low. In conference, though, it was never a problem.

Loewe was forced to add a higher release at Minnesota, but never had a problem (except for '20-'21 when he was our only offense) in the CAA.

Dorsey being a tall lefty, I suspect he may have more success at our level.

Hoping our coaching staff can do great things with the pieces we've added, but not confident.

(05-09-2022 08:11 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:33 PM)billymac Wrote:  Skills can be taught, talent is a gift. Get as many "talented" players as you can round up and then teach them to shoot.

Okay, but you’re asking a group of coaches, who failed to make a single player shoot better, to help this kid. That reads pretty cruel but I’m not wrong.

At this point, I want to be wrong and watch this staff train every Tribe player to shoot lights out.

My quote was more of a "general, any school" take, not W&M, in particular. As a head coach, anywhere, you have to hope you have a staff that can teach the needed skills to talented players.

I agree with you, this staff still has to prove THEY have the ability to make this group of somewhat raw talent into skilled participants and a winning team.

I am keeping my fingers crossed.

I’m willing to bet we win more than 5 games in 2022-2023. I can’t name two players but the group we have now has to be better. On a positive note, the guys who kept their commitment really want to be here, even if just for a free degree. I’ll take that.


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I'm here for the 2022 rotation speculation. Whadya got, Mr. Joolius and other experts?

Your assignment: rank order in terms of playing time, or first five/second five.
Ben Wight
Tyler Rice
Jake Milkereit
Miguel Ayesa

Jack Karsinski
Charlie Williams
Chase Lowe

Noah Collier
Matteus Case
Chris Mullins
Anders Nelson
Gabe Dorsey